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Topic: Troy - Director's Cut

Quill
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So, other than a couple disruptive music/sound edits, this longer version extends quite a few scenes with dialogue that fleshes out some of the minor characters, adds nudity, quite a bit more violence and gore, and some more disturbing images to the sacking of Troy.Quite a bit of the music has been changed...interestingly enough is either a mix in of other scores, or rearranging of Horner's work. While some of it is good...there is as much that is not:
1) Positive - I believe they used the training montage music from Counte of Monte Cristo for the scene where Achilles and Patriklos (sp?) are sparring in the beginning. Works surprisingly well and better than the original.
2) Hmmmm - used the opening theme music from Elfman's Planet of the Apes for the Hector-Achilles Duel. Works well, but I'm not sure the movie gained anything from the change (other than being different.) Odd music edit at the end of the scene as well.
3) NO! - Agememnon's/Achilles' death music replaced with other portion of Horner's score. Does not work nearly as well. This was actually one of the better portions of Horner's work as edited into the original cut of the film.
Many other areas where original score has been retracked. Some of it was most likely done due to scene length variation (the most obvious being the sacking of Troy), but I regret to say that as a whole I prefer the original "MUSIC" cut of the film better.
The film overall is better, oh and it looks quite nice on BlueRay.
posted 09-24-2007 04:10 PM PT (US) 
Tristan

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I picked this edition up this past Friday. There are a lot of things I like about this movie primarily the fight choreography which is some of the best I have ever seen on film, much of the authenticity of the costumes and battle scenes, the strong performances from Brian Cox, Eric Bana, Sean Bean, Peter O’Toole and Brendan Gleeson. Diane Kruger and Rose Byrne are very easy on the eyes. And while Brad Pitt’s performance suffers greatly because he concentrates too much of his talent on his stilted Shakespearean accent, his physical presence in the movie is awesome – going back to that fight choreography I mentioned. Horner’s score was serviceable in the movie, although I wish I could see a cut with Yared’s score placed in there.I love all of the added footage in this new cut. I think it adds dimensions to the film especially the aforementioned brutal sacking of Troy, one of the best beheadings I’ve ever seen on film and some expository scenes like one where Cox and Bean (Agamemnon and Odysseus) discuss convincing Achilles to stay and help the Greeks win. The music though was the colossal mistake of the Director’s Cut. And it kind of pisses me off to think that Wolfgang Petersen, who claimed he liked Yared’s original score to his face, then sheepishly sided with the suits in agreeing that Yared’s music was “too old sounding and inappropriate” for the original cut, thereby replacing it with Horner’s blockbuster sound. With this Director’s Cut of Troy, I see that Petersen must have been instrumental in replacing Yared because with this cut, his cut, the guy shows he just doesn’t understand music. In this new Troy, he uses selections from COUNT OF MONTE CRISTO, STARSHIP TROOPERS and Danny Elfman’s PLANET OF THE APES. I thought that these choices completely take you out of the movie when you hear them because they don’t match the sound of Horner’s score at all. The replacement of Horner’s primal brilliant percussive track for the showdown between Achille’s and Hector is completely destroyed as it is replaced with Elfman’s PLANET OF THE APES theme. I thought it was awful and the horrible edit back to Horner’s music at the end of the battle exemplifies this travesty. I thought “What were they thinking?” The best scene in the movie was ruined.
Note to directors: a temp track (in most cases) should ONLY serve as a guide for your composer.
posted 09-24-2007 05:59 PM PT (US) 
Wedge

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So here's a question ... having never seen the film or heard Horner's score, which cut of the film should I see first?
posted 09-24-2007 08:00 PM PT (US) 
scoreguy16

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quote:
Originally posted by Wedge:
So here's a question ... having never seen the film or heard Horner's score, which cut of the film should I see first?The director's cut... But don't plan on being super impressed by it. I agree with the first poster. Except I just plain didn't like Planet of the Apes. And I thought that Horner's score was different at the end because I actually remember liking the music and now I was just like "... Why did I like this?" But it is a pretty nice Blu-Ray. Aside from a few points of muffled dialogue, the PCM track rocks.
posted 09-24-2007 08:20 PM PT (US) 
Horner

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I've seen The Director's Cut today and I really have to say that this was mostly absolutely unnesscesary (in my opinion). There are two or three scenes that really improved with the Director's Cut. But it's not near the effect here than it was with Ridley Scott's Kingdom of Heaven.For the rearrangement of the Score. For me, it dosen't work at all! The biggest mistake they did for me was to cut out the whole music Horner composed for the "Wooden Horses enters Troy"-Passage. This Music sounded so wonderfully menacing in the movie (and on the cd without the pictures as well). That really is a pity!
And also the rest is, in my opinion, a hick-hack job that really doesn't make much sense for me.
Cheersposted 09-25-2007 08:26 AM PT (US) 
mathew

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I have mixed feelings about the director's cut. The new and extended scenes are great, but I couldn't get used to the new cut-and-paste-score. They replaced the best musical moments of the theatrical version with tracked music... The Achilles training sequence, the Breseis love theme, the Achilles/Hector fight and some material of the wooden horse sequence to name a few.A completly new score by one single composer, either Horner, Yared or Shearmur, would have been a great improvement for this new cut. But of course this would be too expensive I suppose.
posted 09-25-2007 09:29 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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So after throwing out Yared's score and replacing it with Horner's new one, they now went on to butcher the Horner score, too? As if it wasn't bad enough to begin with?
posted 09-25-2007 12:35 PM PT (US) 
scoreguy16

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quote:
Originally posted by Marian Schedenig:
So after throwing out Yared's score and replacing it with Horner's new one, they now went on to butcher the Horner score, too? As if it wasn't bad enough to begin with?Right... What's odd is that some of Yared's score would've been perfect for the stuff they replaced with scores from other movies.
Clayton
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posted 09-25-2007 02:24 PM PT (US) 
gtknox

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I wish they would release Yared's rejected score.
I would be very interested in hearing this genre from him.
Can you still hear cues from his site?Haha, Horner gets picked over Yared; they slaughter the best moments of Horner's and replace them with other random tracks. Haha!
I need to buy the director's cut and hear how much they screwed this up.
posted 10-01-2007 09:35 AM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
