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Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Could Arnold score the third "Narnia" film? Maybe! http://movies.ign.com/articles/797/797772p1.html Like "Potter", different composers has proven to be a good thing. Gregson-Williams has dome great stuff, but I'd love to hear Arnold do this! Would be very cool! --Brian
posted 06-20-2007 11:56 PM PT (US)

Kris Standard Userer	Arnold on Narnia would be great. Let's wait and see how much influence Apted has regarding the choice of composer.
posted 06-21-2007 03:45 AM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	quote: Like "Potter", different composers has proven to be a good thing. That has yet to be proven. Three were done by Williams, and Doyle's score, a result of Williams not being available, was completely inadequate. Order Of The Phoenix sounds promising, though. But David Arnold scoring Narnia is a little, well, odd combo in my eyes. But it's good that Arnold gets another big movie.
posted 06-21-2007 10:03 AM PT (US)

Al Standard Userer	This is true, except for Doyle's score being inadequate, which it wasn't. Have a nice day.
posted 06-21-2007 10:32 AM PT (US)

NeoVoyager Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by gkgyver: That has yet to be proven. Three were done by Williams, and Doyle's score, a result of Williams not being available, was completely inadequate. OK, let's start a countdown to the Wrath of Kühn! 10... 9... 8........
posted 06-21-2007 10:56 AM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	KG, the reason why people aren't a fan of other composers taking the baton from Williams is because their Williams Nuts and heaven forbid people take something away from him. Don't get me wrong, I love what William established (as Jeron will tell you about the first time I listened to the score in his truck) but you need to have a more open mind when it comes to films like that and their scores. What Doyle did was great stuff, and from what I've heard of "Phoenix," Hooper will very much deliver. If Williams did all 7 scores it would get boring. Musical diversity in a series never killed anyone, just like different directors in Harry's sandbox, composers are a good thing. If anything, it gives the "Potter Universe" more depth as a series of films. In the case of "Narnia," I think Arnold would totally bring a great sound to the world. Back on topic we go. --Brian [Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 06-21-2007]
posted 06-21-2007 11:52 AM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	Well said Brian. It's just like those who are bitching about Elfman doing Hellboy 2 (look on FSM and I think there's a thread here about it). People do need to open up their mind to more composers instead of being close-minded and just interested in one composer the whole time. As you put it Brian if Williams had done all 7 Potter films it would get boring.. That's why I like a variety of composers and don't necessarily have just one favorite one. If I did that I would probably have closed my mind off to other composers. [Message edited by BigT1981 on 06-21-2007] [Message edited by BigT1981 on 06-21-2007]
posted 06-21-2007 12:34 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by BigT1981: People do need to open up their mind to more composers instead of being close-minded and just interested in one composer the whole time. As you put it Brian if Williams had done all 7 Potter films it would get boring.. Oh yes! Just imagine how great Der Ring des Nibelungen would have been if Wagner hadn't insisted on writing it all himself...
posted 06-21-2007 02:18 PM PT (US)

Al Standard Userer	Yes, that makes sense for Wagner I suppose, but not so much for such a large series of feature films. Nevermind the winking. Also I just caught the end of GOF on TV. There's a different end credits version of Doyle's Hogwarts Hymn. I wish it was on the album, as it's my favorite theme of his score. Reminds me of Henry V.
posted 06-21-2007 03:30 PM PT (US)

Stargate Standard Userer	I, for one, think this is the perfect proving ground for Arnold to explore fantasy-type film scoring. I personally believe he got displaced a bit after what I call his big three (Stargate, Last of the Dogmen, and Independence Day). Of course, Casino Royale has put Arnold back on track so I sincerely hope he gets the Narnia assignment.
posted 06-21-2007 06:31 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	Crono, my complaint about Goblet Of Fire is not that Doyle brings his own style to the series. In short, he completely neglected the Potter universe; he just didn't write Harry Potter music. It doesn't help neglecting that when thinking about Potter music, people will think of Williams, not Doyle or Hooper or whoever will score the last two films. And that's not because they are "Williams nuts". It's because John Williams is still more capable to write perfect scores than any other active composer, and that's exactly what happened with Harry Potter. John Williams wrote Harry Potter scores, Patrick Doyle just wrote a Patrick Doyle score. Nonsense? Well, that's exactly what separates Williams from others. He adapts his music and sound to fit any given film, whereas Doyle simply forced his own style upon Harry Potter. The result may not be a bad score, but it's a bad Harry Potter score. Nobody is asking Doyle or Hooper to copy Williams' style, yet Nicholas Hooper references Williams' writing. Why? Because he realised that it's inseparable from the series. Not because Williams wrote it, but because it's been tailor made for the Potter universe, and it fits perfectly.
posted 06-22-2007 09:24 AM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	Well said, gkgyver. Brian, give it to the man. Everything he said is spot on. These are the reasons that Jeremy Soule's scores for both the Harry Potter universe and the Star Wars universe succeed. He intentionally speaks the same language Williams speaks when scoring the material, as he understands that Williams' music is a venerable and inseparable part of the storytelling. Williams set the bar on both franchises, and when he sets it, he sets it high. Again, well said gkgyver. Thanks for driving home this particular point. Jeron [Message edited by Jeron on 06-25-2007]
posted 06-25-2007 02:46 PM PT (US)

James Standard Userer	I don't really understand the argument about Williams adapting his style to fit the franchise and Doyle forcing his style onto it. It seems exactly the opposite to me. I have never heard a Williams score that didn't scream out "I'm John Williams!" in every measure. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, I'm just saying that I can't understand the perspective of that particular argument, especially as Goblet of Fire sounds less Doyle-like to me than a typical Patrick Doyle score. A lot of it falls down to taste, I suppose. I liked Doyle's approach to Harry Potter more than Williams'. That's not meant to kick Williams down any notches, only to illustrate just how much I like Doyle's score. I expect (though I obviously have no way to know) I would prefer Arnold's take on Narnia over Gregson-Williams' score, which I thought was incredibly bland. Though that suited the film, which I also thought was incredibly bland. Kirk
posted 06-25-2007 03:11 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	Fair enough, Kirk. And yeah, it does ultimately come down to taste and preference. We can do the "what if's" and "what could have been's" all day on the direction of Harry Potter or Narnia music. Because Williams had first dibs at scoring Potter, my brain has associated those two things together, for better or for worse. Williams, in my mind, laid the smack down on what Potter music sounds like. I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't care for it, and that's where the welcome change is going to come from. I know you're a Doyle fan through and through, Kirk - The Little Princess and Frankenstein are a couple of your favorites, right? I could hear a thick coat of Doyle in Goblet of Fire w/o questioning it for a second. He didn't betray his style. While I think it served the film, after 3 films of Williams' touch, that'd be like putting Doyle on Star Wars. ....right? Again, despite Patrick Doyle's well-crafted and enjoyable score for Goblet of Fire, I would have chosen Bruce Broughton in a heartbeat. Some changes are easier to accept than others.
posted 06-25-2007 03:51 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by gkgyver: Not because Williams wrote it, but because it's been tailor made for the Potter universe, and it fits perfectly. What was the "Potter universe" before John Williams wrote a note of music for it?
posted 06-25-2007 07:04 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Pages in a book.
posted 06-25-2007 07:44 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Crono/Kyp: Pages in a book. Doesn't that mean reading? Screw that noise!
posted 06-25-2007 08:59 PM PT (US)

James Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeron: I could hear a thick coat of Doyle in Goblet of Fire w/o questioning it for a second. He didn't betray his style. Oh, of course. I only think the "Doylisms" are little more scaled back than usual. quote: Originally posted by Jeron: While I think it served the film, after 3 films of Williams' touch, that'd be like putting Doyle on Star Wars. I think it's a little different just because the Harry Potter films, due to shuffling creative control, have more stylistic disparity among them than Star Wars films, but overall yes, this is a fair point that I can't really argue with. quote: Originally posted by Jeron: Again, despite Patrick Doyle's well-crafted and enjoyable score for Goblet of Fire, I would have chosen Bruce Broughton in a heartbeat. Some changes are easier to accept than others. Ahh, in that case we'd be in perfect agreement! Kirk
posted 06-26-2007 12:40 AM PT (US)

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