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nuts_score

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While I felt compelled to post this in our already established "Spider-Man 3" thread - for the reason that it pertains to that film and Andy's review - I feel this also brings up some interesting comments on an age of internet reviewers and bloggists. If you visit FSM (as I do, daily) you'll rightfully know that Andy Dursin provides film review updates under his "Aisle Seat" feature. Those of you who don't, feel free to browse his articles here. Today's update on FSM includes Andy's review of Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 3; a film that I - and many others - have lambasted to no avail. It wasn't the entire review that has me cringing, but rather his opening:quote:
The third go-round for Sam Raimi's cinematic take on "Spider-Man" isn't as cohesive a package as its immediate predecessor, and generally isn't as satisfying as the original movie either.So what?
It's the statement, "So what?", that causes my confusion; and ultimately, utter dismay. It also reflects my current views towards today's blog reviewers. Does Raimi's third part of an already established trilogy not deserve to be good? That's what I can assume judging by those two words so stragically placed after negative comments about the reviewed film. Today's blogging film reviewers seem to have no heart and/or logic when it comes to motion pictures. Many cinema-goers (myself included and hopefully many others at this board and others) would love to be surprised and held aghast at what wonderous creations we've just seen unfold on a cinema screen, in glorious color and widescreen. Many of us want to be delivered the very best film from the artists who helped create it. After all, with rising ticket prices, our expectations deserve to be high. So why does Raimi and Sony Pictures get a free ride? Many fans were woefully upset and felt betrayed by the third film (for the record, I'm not a fan of either prior film). Did they take the time to consider, "So what?" I'm sure many exclaimed, "So what? At least now I can avoid seeing it again or buying the DVD." My point is this, directed at Dursin and many other internet columnists: what happened to wanting a film to be great? Perhaps there is so much dreck populating the cineplex recently that we should communially lower our expectations for everything. Soon, the studios will start to realize this (as I'm sure they already have) and the dreck will only increase . . . as long as Sony still gets it opening weekend record breaking numbers, right? Dursin's review also has a "weighted" feel to it; as though it's been re-thought many times by its author. It seems to stem in a long line of recent late Spidey 3 reviews in which some critics outright attack the film's detractors simply because "hating Spider-Man 3 is a fad, you're not cool unless you do it". As it so happens, I know plenty of cool people who love Spidey 3; they're my sister's kindergarten class.
So, I may not be qualified to write this criticism being as that I don't hold my own weekly feature on FSM or any other site (though I'm sure I have a few reviews floating around IMDb somewhere), but I felt it necessary because I'm curious as to what the rest of our community thought of modern film reviews, and their required lower expectations.
Nutz
NP> Dario Marianelli's V for Vendetta (*****/*****)[Message edited by nuts_score on 05-15-2007]
posted 05-15-2007 07:36 PM PT (US) 
rkeaveney

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Sounds like that old and very lame "it's a popcorn movie" (or "I just turn my brain off and enjoy it") excuse I read so often on these soundtrack msg boards. As if that's a reason or justification for mediocrity, and that enjoyment and quality are mutually exclusive.Ryan
posted 05-15-2007 09:12 PM PT (US) 
franz_conrad

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Dursin's remark struck me in the same way. Generally I don't agree with him about films (it's like yin-yang really), but the attitude that a film didn't deserve to be good (which is basically what it amounts to) is a bit dismaying.Again, why are his movie reviews a weekly feature of the FSM site? It's not as though he has much to say about the soundtracks of the films beyond the cursory reference to how they are mixed and whether they push his buttons.
(And I find his dismissal of Apocalypto's thankless score really strange - from all accounts Horner was engaged by this more experimental approach to scoring. Which would hardly qualify as 'thankless'. But maybe there isn't enough musical thunder to go with the blood...)
posted 05-15-2007 10:05 PM PT (US) 
tjguitar

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I don't interpret that comment as saying "it didn't deserve to be a good film--only that it didn't really matter if it was good or not because it is still going to sell a crapload of tickets simply cause of the marvel hero in it's title........
posted 05-15-2007 10:17 PM PT (US) 
Christian Kühn
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His reviews never did anything for me. *shrugs*
posted 05-16-2007 08:51 AM PT (US) 
estiban miranda
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Originally posted by tjguitar:
I don't interpret that comment as saying "it didn't deserve to be a good film--only that it didn't really matter if it was good or not because it is still going to sell a crapload of tickets simply cause of the marvel hero in it's title........This is exactly how I understood the comment, taken in context. Not that it didn't "deserve" to be good but that it really didn't matter because it was going to mop up at the BO anyway.
Why not bring this up at Dursin's own forum? You might get some answers from the "horse's mouth". http://andyfilm.netfirms.com/phpbb/nfphpbb/
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posted 05-16-2007 10:04 AM PT (US) 
Kevin
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You really think he would respond? I've emailed him quite a few times about things he's written, and he ignores me each time. I just put it down to the people who hang out at FSM.
posted 05-16-2007 12:00 PM PT (US) 
nuts_score

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quote:
Originally posted by franz_conrad:
[B] Generally I don't agree with him about films (it's like yin-yang really), but the attitude that a film didn't deserve to be good (which is basically what it amounts to) is a bit dismaying.
[B]Again, Michael, we're on the same boat here (perhaps the Lusitania?
). Dursin has been a reviewer I disagree with on nearly all of his reviews. He just never puts any soul into his writing and it strikes me a "mediocre". I'm not saying anything about the man personally, I'm sure he's a great guy with a good personality but it never comes through in his writing. The reason I still read his reviews is that I'm hoping to find something that's worth it; hopefully I can agree with him someday.And TJ, your comments tie directly into the whole arguement. Of course it's obvious that a huge franchise like Spider-Man is there to gain ticket and merchandise sales, that's what lends itself so good to the "it didn't have to be good" shill. I'll give you three examples of recent films that fall into similar franchise niches: Hulk, Batman Begins, and Superman Returns. No where in those films did I see just another oppurtunity to get an action figure or a Mountain Dew spot into it. All three films were made by intelligent, story and character driven filmmakers. Two of them didn't quite make their reported budget back in domestic box office, but they still hold a high level of film critics and regular fans that love those movies. They all have stories more interested in delivering questions and characters rather than dazzling action set pieces that don't even turn out that dazzling (I'm looking at you X-Men 3!). So why did Spidey 3 have to fall under the same guide that plagued X-Men 3 and Fantastic Four and Elektra, etc.? The first two films have very high esteem in both critical and comic book geek circles; but I get a very strong impression that very few of the parties involved with Spider-Man 3 gave it much effort. Had they, we would have gotten a much glossier film and I wouldn't have been resorted to this tirade against motionless Hollywood.
posted 05-16-2007 02:34 PM PT (US) 
Southall
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I'm not convinced I've ever agreed with him on anything.
posted 05-16-2007 05:52 PM PT (US) 
SpoilerOrange
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Originally posted by nuts_score:"...hopefully I can agree with him someday."
----Why?
[Message edited by SpoilerOrange on 05-17-2007]
posted 05-17-2007 07:46 AM PT (US) 
sdtom
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His mistake was to review the film in the first place! It is mindless entertainment, a two hour diversion from what is really going on in your life. As long as people go and shell out the money Hollywood is happy and will continue to produce Rocky Balboa, Harry Potter,the new Rambo, and Die Hard series until people stop going to them and then they lose money.
posted 05-17-2007 07:55 PM PT (US) 
vdemona

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Hey! I like Harry Potter!
posted 05-18-2007 12:48 AM PT (US) 
budharney
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"Andy Dursin should not be writing about movies. He should be making them."- Paul Andrew Macleanposted 06-01-2007 05:37 PM PT (US) 
sean

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... And I like John Rambo and John McClane!Nutz, maybe its because I've been reading Andy's reviews a bit longer than you have, but I stopped scrolling through his FSM articles a few years ago after finding next to nothing of value in them: From his DVD reviews (huh? DVDFile and Digital Bits offer a far better supplement in this area, and with expertise!) to his theatrical film "reviews," which, as Michael points out, he offers no valuable opinion on score.
posted 06-02-2007 11:43 AM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
