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      Ten Great Thrillers (by film-makers who knew how)

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    Topic:   Ten Great Thrillers (by film-makers who knew how)

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    If I had to teach a course on making thrillers, the following would be very much a part of it... (cutting supernatural thrillers here, and forgive the American emphasis)

    The Testament of Dr Mabuse (Lang, 1932)

    The Killing (Kubrick, 1956)

    The Manchurian Candidate (Frankenheimer, 1962 - and the remake isn't bad either, just not nearly on par with [u]this[/u])

    Rear Window (Hitchcock, 1956) - narrowly beating out Vertigo, which is more of a sick romantic tragedy, and Psycho, which has slightly more sensational material to extract thrills from)

    The Third Man (Reed, 1949)

    The Conversation (Coppola, 1974)

    Parallax View (Pakula, 1974)

    Se7en (Fincher, 1995 - I do love The Game as well)

    Insomnia (Nolan, 2002 - some films work better the second time around, so it was with this remake)

    Cache (Haneke, 2006 - even though it is, it doesn't feel like - comes across more as an experiment in tension from a time when people were still figuring out how cinema worked)

    AND TWO ALSO-RANS...

    Touch of Evil (Welles, 1959) - not for what it is, but for how it feels.

    Collateral (Mann, 2004 - with Mann, as far as visceral thrills are concerned, it comes down to this or Manhunter... Manhunt----- EDIT, forget this ----
    Heat (Mann, 1995) - because Southall said so.

    The dates may be woolly, but the films most certainly are not.

    So what am I missing? This is the fun part.

    * Note: HEAT doesn't count as a thriller.

    [Message edited by franz_conrad on 05-14-2007]

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    posted 05-14-2007 12:43 AM PT (US)     

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    My vote: Heat

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    posted 05-14-2007 12:55 AM PT (US)     

     franz_conrad
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    Is that really a thriller though? It seems a bit more like THE GODFATHER in the sense that there's a strong dramatic emphasis.

    Couldn't think of any DePalma or Lynch films to put on the list incidentally... for some reason 'thriller' doesn't come to mind when I think of Lynch, despite the pretty reliable supply of thrills.

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    posted 05-14-2007 01:49 AM PT (US)     

     MWRuger
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    What about DePalma's Blowout?

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    posted 05-14-2007 09:50 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by franz_conrad:
    Is that really a thriller though? It seems a bit more like THE GODFATHER in the sense that there's a strong dramatic emphasis.

    I guess in a way. I only really said it because you banned it, but I'd never have thought to not classify it as a thriller.

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    posted 05-14-2007 11:41 AM PT (US)     

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    Your wish, o master...


    And I haven't seen BLOWOUT. Is it good?

    [Message edited by franz_conrad on 05-14-2007]

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    posted 05-14-2007 03:08 PM PT (US)     

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    Blow Out is great! It combines classic tongue-in-cheek De Palma from the early 80s with a cool concept (sound recording) masterfully visualised (it's De Palma after all), plus John Lithgow is in it.

    Not one of the great movies perhaps, but a De Palma classic for sure.

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    posted 05-14-2007 05:05 PM PT (US)     

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    I've been trying to steer clear of the tongue-in-cheek... in addition to the sci-fi (hence no ALIEN), the supernatural (hence no THE INNOCENTS), the horror...


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    posted 05-14-2007 05:31 PM PT (US)     

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    Yeah, it's really hard to classify movies as purely thrillers. A lot of genres (especially horror) have thriller qualities as a prerequisite, but I think you made a good starting list.

    I often visit IMDB's top movies section for ideas: http://www.imdb.com/chart/thriller

    Now, would Silence of the Lambs and The Usual Suspects qualify as thrillers? If so, they're at the top of my list.

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    posted 05-14-2007 05:42 PM PT (US)     

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    Yes Franz, BLOWOUT is very good and unique. The visuals and music during the last 20 minutes were stunning, and I never saw the pathos coming. I'd also recommend his DRESS TO KILL. I always find DePalma's use of music interesting.

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    posted 05-14-2007 05:50 PM PT (US)     

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    Yikes... left off Clouzot's WAGES OF FEAR...

    I have seen DRESSED TO KILL some years ago. I remember being put off by DePalma's excessive nudity in the opening scene, and that the plot beared a curious relationship to the plot of PSYCHO. The latter issue probably wouldn't bother me so much now - I should check it out again.

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    posted 05-14-2007 05:59 PM PT (US)     

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    I liked several of your choices and have seen most of those. I agree on most.

    I also think these are real classics, which have not been duplicated over the years:

    Cool Hand Luke and the great score by Schifrin

    Fury with Spencer Tracy and the great camera work in that, Waxmans score is good too

    Caine Mutiny and Bogarts great insanity in it

    Bedlam with Boris Karloff-one of the best of its kind, Karloff is great in this role, woman goes in to clean up the aslyum and she cant get out

    Papillon-great film and score

    For me, does the film hold up well many years later and still have that punch. Every so often I see one like this that does.

    I see a film after many years and it is still very powerful. That is the test of a good or great film.

    There are many more like this.
    J>


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    posted 05-14-2007 07:10 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Stargate:
    Now, would Silence of the Lambs and The Usual Suspects qualify as thrillers? If so, they're at the top of my list.

    Forced to pick one modern serial killer film, I went with SEVEN over MANHUNTER and SILENCE OF THE LAMBS, though all three are good.

    I supppose THE USUAL SUSPECTS is a thriller. I guess it fits more of a whodunnit mode for me, but that's splitting hairs.


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    posted 05-14-2007 07:14 PM PT (US)     

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    If you watch Dressed To Kill again, you'll see that it is probably more closely related to Vertigo, but I do see the Psycho references too.

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    posted 05-14-2007 07:40 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by joan hue:
    If you watch Dressed To Kill again, you'll see that it is probably more closely related to Vertigo, but I do see the Psycho references too.

    I was about 16 at the time... I remember not liking VERTIGO much in those days either.

    (Didn't DePalma also 'do Vertigo' with OBSESSION? Is DRESSED TO KILL the one with Michael Caine as the psychiatrist?)

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    posted 05-14-2007 07:53 PM PT (US)     

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    Franz, you're weird. You were 16 years old when you saw DRESSED TO KILL, and you were put off by the nudity? All the other 16-year-olds I know went to see it BECAUSE of that!

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