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Topic:   Why are Mr. Goldwasser and others banned here?

 NeoVoyager
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I'm really not trying to be belligerent, but Dan mentioned in an e-mail a while back that there were certain forums on which he was "banned," and after reading the recent posts on another thread, I find that this very board is one of those he spoke of.

Why such censorship? Isn't it just a little juvenile? Maybe?

(if there *is* a good reason, then please correct my cynicism!)

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posted 05-01-2007 07:09 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Oh... ummm... wow. I don't even remember. Something went down, but who cares... it's been awhile. Wanna put Dan on a trial probation, Peter? Let him back in? I think he got all his shots... should be okay.

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posted 05-01-2007 07:27 PM PT (US)    ip  

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A bit over-reacting aren't we?

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posted 05-01-2007 08:01 PM PT (US)    ip  

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quote:
Originally posted by BigT1981:
A bit over-reacting aren't we?

How so? I'm not reacting to the other thread... just the banning of Dan (or *anyone* for that matter) in general.

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posted 05-01-2007 08:36 PM PT (US)    ip  

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quote:
Originally posted by NeoVoyager:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by BigT1981:
[b]A bit over-reacting aren't we?
<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

How so? I'm not reacting to the other thread... just the banning of Dan (or *anyone* for that matter) in general.[/B]



Piss off enough people and you end up on a permanent "time out."

James

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posted 05-01-2007 08:43 PM PT (US)    ip  

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quote:
Originally posted by NeoVoyager:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by BigT1981:
[b]A bit over-reacting aren't we?
<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

How so? I'm not reacting to the other thread... just the banning of Dan (or *anyone* for that matter) in general.[/B]


What "other thread" ?

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posted 05-01-2007 08:58 PM PT (US)    ip  

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The public spoke many moons ago. All 10 people (Thaxton, dgoldwas, zimmerito, andre, vulcantouch, boggan, whoever else) who've been banned were done so by majority recommendation, many followed up with appropriate thanks. If you guys are ready for these kinds of people to be back on the board, go ahead and put in your vote, but be ready for the tone of this place to change significantly.

Remember, Thaxton and others have a deep disdain for what I do in the movie soundtrack business (which is really nothing, besides operating a store focused on excellent service... I am not sure what the problem is exactly), so the minute these guys are posting here again, the mostly positive spirit will be overrun again and seemingly interesting threads will turn into all kinds of crap that really means nothing in the end, and is a waste of time.

The point of this forum is to discuss as respectable adults... the kind without the egos who psychologically torment and belittle others because those others "don't know." We want the kind of people who know when to say when, those who understand that it's better not to post if it's not with a positive attitude. Everyone person here is a person first, which means the most awesome soundtrack producer in the world is just as important as the kid buying his first soundtrack. People who've been banned all have one thing in common, and it's a misunderstanding of this basic rule of equality among membership.

We've seen too many times how ugly things get when all the unimportant personality stuff gets the center stage.

Personally, I've enjoyed the tone of our forums with the decisions that have been made. The floor is open, although please be warned, this topic is severely off topic and will be re-routed to the junk folder if it takes a wrong turn.

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posted 05-01-2007 09:04 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Quite frankly this question should have been emailed directly to PK and not posted in the forum.


This is almost as bad as the "where are my CDs?" threads that pop up after Varese releases their latest club batches.

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posted 05-01-2007 09:05 PM PT (US)    ip  

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I concur. Would the author of this thread please email me with all your questions, and include the "can you delete my thread?" one too!

Thanks for the proper steering, MO.

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posted 05-01-2007 09:14 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Oh well, if Dan does come back - Zimmerito (aka Nautilus) should too. His English is much improved, and their sparring (along with Erik Woods) is a highlight of scorereviews.com/forum.

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posted 05-01-2007 09:19 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Thank you Peter for the informative post.

I can certainly understand where you're coming from, as I've read a good amount of posts from several of the people in your banned list. I can't help noticing, however, that the Film Score Monthly forum really *isn't* the hostile territory that one might think it would be, despite the fact that both Dan and Ford post fairly frequently there. To the contrary, on all but a scant few occasions, their posts have been uniformly well-informed and good-natured.

But... I'm no one to judge the decision that you, as webmaster, and the public here have made.

Thanks for the explanation. I apologize if this was really an out-of-line topic.

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posted 05-01-2007 09:20 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Peter apparently posted that latest message while I was writing mine. I missed it.

[Message edited by NeoVoyager on 05-01-2007]

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posted 05-01-2007 09:22 PM PT (US)    ip  

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quote:
Originally posted by franz_conrad:
Zimmerito (aka Nautilus) should too. His English is much improved, and their sparring (along with Erik Woods) is a highlight of scorereviews.com/forum.


See, this brings up an interesting point. If Zimmerito was never banned, would he and Woods be a highlight at scorereviews forum? Banned members here and there break up the homogeneousness that may well be the final plight of all soundtrack forums. There are only so few of us!

Must love force-fed variety.

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posted 05-01-2007 09:33 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Neo, thanks for understanding. Let me know if you'd like this thread removed. It really doesn't do anyone well, except give me an opportunity to express how I want this forum to generally recognize the equality of everyone. Feel free to email me anytime.

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posted 05-01-2007 09:39 PM PT (US)    ip  

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...and you just did. Thanks for your email.

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posted 05-01-2007 09:40 PM PT (US)    ip  

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For what my opinion is worth if people want to read and spar with Ford, Dan, and others do it on the FSM board.

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posted 05-01-2007 09:41 PM PT (US)    ip  

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I noticed that Boggan, for example has a signature at various forums with the dates he was banned from FSM and MM, like he won some sort of price or something.


Ah well, I don't really see the point of this thread other than to bring the attention that certain folks have been banned....which really isn't that exciting.

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posted 05-01-2007 09:50 PM PT (US)    ip  

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::sips some wine::

I really have to laugh when it comes to old stuff like this.

Oh the good old days.

--Brian

[Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 05-01-2007]

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posted 05-01-2007 10:45 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Ho-hum. You *are* the curious little beaver, Michael, did I ever tell you that?!

FSM's board, while indeed providing information in spades, is often an incredibly nasty place. If you haven't noticed that yet, you either are blind or choose not to notice it. I had to put almost a dozen people on my ignore list there before it got "readable" and pleasant. And, oh wonder, that includes such luminaries as Mr "Most Awesome Soundtrack Producer in the World" and Mr "I Wanna Be Most Awesome Soundtrack Producer in the World but I can't Talk so I chat up Most Awesome Composers Every Day of My Life".

I apologize for the sarcasm...or maybe not...

CK

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posted 05-02-2007 01:37 AM PT (US)    ip  

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quote:
Originally posted by PeterK:
The public spoke many moons ago. All 10 people (Thaxton, dgoldwas, zimmerito, andre, vulcantouch, boggan, whoever else) who've been banned were done so by majority recommendation, many followed up with appropriate thanks.

A number of the people you've mentioned here, Peter, did get the boot because of a pattern of behavior, because of the majority rule... but how would you account for someone like Mark Banning, who has been banned by you and has tried to register an account for your message board several times and always gets denied? I don't recall ever seeing any unpleasant posts from Mark on other message boards and it seems to me that the only reason for you to do this sort of thing here is because he is an associate of Ford's.


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posted 05-02-2007 07:53 AM PT (US)    ip  

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@ Christian Kühn:

Ho-hum! No, you never did tell me that.

While I don't mean to offend you, as you're one of the more 'likeable' and enjoyable to read fellows in the various forums I frequent, I have to say I agree with Mr. Thaxton when it comes to blocking *anyone*. As far as I'm concerned, it is the cyber-equivalent of cupping your hands over your ears when someone is trying to speak to you... uncannily reminiscent of a 5-year-old. Or, as Ford would say, "Burying your head in the sand."

Sorry, Christian... the world is a nasty place. I just weather it in real life and in my internet life.

[Message edited by NeoVoyager on 05-02-2007]

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posted 05-02-2007 08:01 AM PT (US)    ip  

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quote:
Originally posted by BMikeJ:
A number of the people you've mentioned here, Peter, did get the boot because of a pattern of behavior, because of the majority rule... but how would you account for someone like Mark Banning, who has been banned by you and has tried to register an account for your message board several times and always gets denied? I don't recall ever seeing any unpleasant posts from Mark on other message boards and it seems to me that the only reason for you to do this sort of thing here is because he is an associate of Ford's.

Forgive me if this is a bit like calling the kettle black... but I think that particular question would be better suited for an e-mail. It's perhaps a little more sensitive in nature.

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posted 05-02-2007 08:04 AM PT (US)    ip  

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i know one thing that would happen if those people came back here.

You wouldn't see me again.

As as to FSM's board, it's always - forever - been for the elitists. I tried to get on there a while back, and was treated like crap. So I left. And then, about two years ago, I tried again, and was never even given the courtesy of the required registration email from FSM. So screw 'em.

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posted 05-02-2007 08:06 AM PT (US)    ip  

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quote:
Originally posted by Kevin:
.......
And then, about two years ago, I tried again, and was never even given the courtesy of the required registration email from FSM. So screw 'em. [/B]

Hmmm. I think there is a bug in FSM's software, because I had the same problem again and again while trying to register. I ended up personally e-mailing Lukas and having him set me up an account.

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posted 05-02-2007 08:20 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Me thinks its time to move on to something more interesting to all of us.
Tom

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posted 05-02-2007 09:12 AM PT (US)    ip  

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quote:
Mr "I Wanna Be Most Awesome Soundtrack Producer in the World but I can't Talk so I chat up Most Awesome Composers Every Day of My Life".

Which one's that?

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posted 05-02-2007 09:13 AM PT (US)    ip  

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DON'T MISS THE POINT: If you are having problems accessing, signing up, whatever, you contact the forum administrator.

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posted 05-02-2007 09:36 AM PT (US)    ip  

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I guess if he had tried to contact you before, YOU would be the only person to know that, wouldn't you?

And this is perfectly relevant to this thread, Peter. Whether you choose to address my question without deflection or asking another question is another matter.

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posted 05-02-2007 10:06 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Mike, I have an email address. Please use it, thanks.

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posted 05-02-2007 10:59 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Yawn. Needless thread. Time to move on. Time to delete.

Look, it's a sad fact that some other past members became vitriolic towards Peter and his site. But that's how life works. We can't think of either party as being the creator or bearer of this burden. Everyone has their nice and mean streaks. Of all the times I've talked with Dan through email or AIM, he's been very helpful and informative, as well as holding a courteous dispostion. I can't say the same for Ford seeing as how I've never had a discussion with him. I've been informed from both sides (being Dan and Peter both) as to why the split happen. Frankly, it's not relevant anymore. Both have moved on and manage their respective sites with workman-like attitudes. Both put forward hard work and effort to appease such a small collective of fans such as ourselves. If you want to share in conversation with Dan or Ford, visit FSM or ScoreReviews as well. I've had the same registration problems that have been mentioned at FSM, so that's kept me from posting there; though I regularly visit the site to see the discussions. If I truly wanted to join in, I would've emailed Lukas Kendall by now. The truth is, I'm very happy posting at MovieMusic. I find that the members seem to know their stuff and there are plenty who'd like to learn more. I've recieved nothing but helpful hints and favors from Peter (as well as Dan) so I don't see any reason to immediately join the other forums. The biggest point being this: let all the parties move forward.

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posted 05-02-2007 11:06 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Issues taken care of. Thanks to everyone who sent emails.... it's where the issue belongs, truly.

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posted 05-03-2007 11:08 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Yep. Useless to open that can of worms again. J.

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posted 05-06-2007 05:00 PM PT (US)    ip  

 
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