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John C Winfrey

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That other post mentioned this and I had been listening to this the other day. From 1990 on to the end of his career this is one of his better scores. From 62-88 there were so many good ones and from 90 on they were a little more scattered. Rudy, The Mummy, Thirteeneth Warrior, Mulan and some others, Small Soldiers. Some of those are very good, but overall not the quality of the 62-88 period when almost everything was so good.But, back to Total Recall. I have always liked "The Mutant" cue and "End of a Dream". There are several very driving cues in the score but these two stand out for me. "The Mutant" is also used in the End Credits. The sound and driving force in the End of the Dream cue is outstanding. A great action cue.
J.
posted 04-20-2007 07:45 PM PT (US) 
tjguitar

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Originally posted by John C Winfrey:
That other post mentioned this and I had been listening to this the other day. From 1990 on to the end of his career this is one of his better scores. From 62-88 there were so many good ones and from 90 on they were a little more scattered. Rudy, The Mummy, Thirteeneth Warrior, Mulan and some others, Small Soldiers. Some of those are very good, but overall not the quality of the 62-88 period when almost everything was so good.But, back to Total Recall. I have always liked "The Mutant" cue and "End of a Dream". There are several very driving cues in the score but these two stand out for me. "The Mutant" is also used in the End Credits. The sound and driving force in the End of the Dream cue is outstanding. A great action cue.
J.
I agree with you about Total Recall being strong but I disagree with you about the 90s not having many strong scores. Besides the ones that you mentioned---Star Trek: First Contact, First Knight and Air Force One are all very good IMO. ST: Insurrection is pretty good also.
posted 04-20-2007 07:49 PM PT (US) 
TimT
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I love The Mummy score, and I don't khow how it can't reinforce anyone's love for film music and spark some interest in others.
But when I came to praise the score at the time of its release, all I got was Wah wah wah Thirtheen Warrior wah wah wah wah Thirtheen Warrior and blah blah blah Thirteen Warrior from most of the film music community. And I never liked Thirteen Warrior that much.posted 04-20-2007 11:03 PM PT (US) 
BackToTheFutureFan

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Total Recall = pure Goldsmith genius.Yes, Air Force One is very underrated in my opinion. First Knight is very good as you said. 13 Warrior is overrated. The Mummy was actually my first Goldsmith score and I am proud to admit that.
posted 04-20-2007 11:09 PM PT (US) 
Al

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"But when I came to praise the score at the time of its release, all I got was Wah wah wah Thirtheen Warrior wah wah wah wah Thirtheen Warrior and blah blah blah Thirteen Warrior from most of the film music community. And I never liked Thirteen Warrior that much."Okay. There are a few reasons this doesn't hold up.
1.) The Mummy, to my memory--and I was participating on this board at the time of release--was initially received with great enthusiasm and praise by most people here. So it's not as if you came in here to stand up for some undiscovered gem.
2.) I don't recall there ever being a giant mob of infantile members here crying out "wah wah wah" and "blah blah blah" who were praising The Thirteenth Warrior and simultaneously hating The Mummy.
So either your memory isn't what it used to be, or it's just your choice of words.
[Message edited by Al on 04-21-2007]
posted 04-21-2007 01:23 AM PT (US) 
Stargate

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Ah, Total Recall. I could never quite get into that score but "The Mutant" cue definitely is the highlight. The action bits, though befitting the movie, are way too loud and pounding and headache-inducing.I was thinking about giving Total Recall another chance. Is the expanded release worth it?
posted 04-21-2007 09:07 AM PT (US) 
tjguitar

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Originally posted by Stargate:
Ah, Total Recall. I could never quite get into that score but "The Mutant" cue definitely is the highlight. The action bits, though befitting the movie, are way too loud and pounding and headache-inducing.I was thinking about giving Total Recall another chance. Is the expanded release worth it?
Honestly i prefer the shorter CD, but there are those who love the expanded.
posted 04-21-2007 09:38 AM PT (US) 
TimT
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quote:
Originally posted by Al:
"But when I came to praise the score at the time of its release, all I got was Wah wah wah Thirtheen Warrior wah wah wah wah Thirtheen Warrior and blah blah blah Thirteen Warrior from most of the film music community. And I never liked Thirteen Warrior that much."Okay. There are a few reasons this doesn't hold up.
1.) The Mummy, to my memory--and I was participating on this board at the time of release--was initially received with great enthusiasm and praise by most people here. So it's not as if you came in here to stand up for some undiscovered gem.
2.) I don't recall there ever being a giant mob of infantile members here crying out "wah wah wah" and "blah blah blah" who were praising The Thirteenth Warrior and simultaneously hating The Mummy.
So either your memory isn't what it used to be, or it's just your choice of words.
I never said everyone hated the score, its just that everytime The Mummy is mentioned people chime in with 13th Warrior and how they think its better, and those respones were not limited to this message board.
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Originally posted by Stargate:
Ah, Total Recall. I could never quite get into that score but "The Mutant" cue definitely is the highlight. The action bits, though befitting the movie, are way too loud and pounding and headache-inducing.
I was thinking about giving Total Recall another chance. Is the expanded release worth it?I agree whole heartedly, and I would also not recommend getting the expanded score unless you like that type of overbearing banging. I think "Clever Girl" and "The Big Jump" were the most listenable action cues. And I'm glad they are both on the standard 40 min Varese disc. The delema is that you can probably find the original CD and the expanded CD for about the same price now.
posted 04-21-2007 03:40 PM PT (US) 
tjguitar

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I prefer The Mummy to the 13th Wariror (though I prefer Silvestri's Mummy Returns score to both)
posted 04-21-2007 03:47 PM PT (US) 
Sargonarhes

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I thought The 13th Warrior and The Mummy were equally well done. His work on the 13th Warrior should be noted as replacing Graeme Revell's score. His music stands out no matter when it was made.
posted 04-21-2007 04:14 PM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

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Yep, I like all those. I also like the action music in Chain Reaction. There are several others too. Overall, though I have to say that of my top ten all time Goldsmith scores all are in that 62 to 88 period. There are a few that are close in the 90s and later.My Top Ten all time on him are:
1. Under Fire
2. Poltergeist
3. Night Crossing
4. Rambo II
5. Blue Max
6. Sand Pebbles
7. Papillon
8. Star Trek
9. Capricorn ONe
10. Final Conflictand right there close are In Harms Way and Patch of Blue both from 65,
and I have many many in the next ten. A few from the 90s mixed in those. Including the westerns and war scores, in the second ten along with several more from the 80sJ.
posted 04-21-2007 07:13 PM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

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Honestly, I think the score really comes alive in its expanded form. The original album was bursting at the seams, and the 30 minutes or so of unreleased music on the Deluxe Edition just reinforces the genius behind this score. The string writing in "For Old Time's Sake" alone is worth the price of the disc. This is well-written, orchestral action music, not just a bunch of banging and pounding around.Shaun
posted 04-23-2007 10:49 AM PT (US) 
Shaun Rutherford

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Shaun Rutherford: Threadkiller
posted 04-24-2007 09:29 AM PT (US) 
Timmer

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Hello Shaun
....."hello?"
............."anybody here??"
Just me you and the tumble weed then Shaun
posted 04-24-2007 10:08 AM PT (US) 
Jeron

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quote:
Originally posted by Shaun Rutherford:
Honestly, I think the score really comes alive in its expanded form. The original album was bursting at the seams, and the 30 minutes or so of unreleased music on the Deluxe Edition just reinforces the genius behind this score. The string writing in "For Old Time's Sake" alone is worth the price of the disc. This is well-written, orchestral action music, not just a bunch of banging and pounding around.Shaun
Well dag nabbit, I agree Shaun.
posted 04-24-2007 12:56 PM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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Originally posted by TimT:
I agree whole heartedly, and I would also not recommend getting the expanded score unless you like that type of overbearing banging. I think "Clever Girl" and "The Big Jump" were the most listenable action cues. And I'm glad they are both on the standard 40 min Varese disc. The delema is that you can probably find the original CD and the expanded CD for about the same price now.
Overbearing Banging? What would you call something like Armageddon? A lush lullaby?
posted 04-24-2007 01:01 PM PT (US) 
TimT
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark Olivarez:
Overbearing Banging? What would you call something like Armageddon? A lush lullaby?
Some of it is....don't you think so?
But what I'm saying is that there are parts of Total Recall that I think are unlistenable as a listening experience on CD. And its even more evendent with the expanded album.
Plus theres a constant battle of raising the volume for the quieter parts then lowering it for the blast of loudness.
So I personally could not recommend the expanded album.[Message edited by TimT on 04-24-2007]
posted 04-24-2007 08:33 PM PT (US) 
Al

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Total Recall is an intelligent, masterfully composed work that is more complex and ambitious than most action scores. As a result it initially can come across as sounding too dense, or at least it did to me many years ago when I first heard the original album, but that same complexity, coming from Goldsmith's wealth of motifs and ambitious changes in meter, that's what keeps me coming back to it still yet.If I want a fun, exciting, less challenging score, I'll definitely put on The Mummy and have a blast, but when I put on Total Recall it's more to admire the talent and skill than a certain theme or cue.
posted 04-24-2007 11:28 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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It's the best action score in my book (more or less closely followed by Rambo 2). One of Goldsmith's very best.
posted 04-25-2007 04:52 PM PT (US) 
jonathan_little

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I love the musicianship in the Total Recall recording... So many notes but so perfect. Thank goodness they ditched the sessions in Munich and hired the National Philharmonic.
posted 04-25-2007 06:03 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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They're not entirely flawless, but considering the music, that's not surprising.
posted 04-25-2007 06:54 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
