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    Topic:   Are you kidding me? Again?!

     nuts_score
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    So I guess the mailers of Desplat's The Queen, Newman's The Good German and even Navarette's Pan's Labyrinth flew Jet Blue this year. I sure do hope Gustavo gets another one NEXT year.

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    posted 02-25-2007 09:13 PM PT (US)     

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    Looking forward to Gustavo's 2008 winner: http://imdb.com/title/tt0337692/

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    posted 02-25-2007 09:17 PM PT (US)     

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    He probably will... we're in the era of Gustavo. 15 years ago it was the era of Alan Menken... I became tired of hearing his name every year back then, although I'd take Menken over Gustavo any day today... at least Menken wrote full length scores!

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    posted 02-25-2007 09:18 PM PT (US)     

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    Key word being "wrote". As in "write". As in "compose". As in "composer". As in Alexandre Desplat, Thomas Newman, Philip Glass, and Javier Navarette . . . and Alan Menken

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    posted 02-25-2007 09:20 PM PT (US)     

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    At least we finally got a film that will stand the scrutiny of time to win for Best Picture . . . it's been a while since one of those came along.

    Good to see William Monahan getting some tremednous reception. The guy is a wonderful storyteller and screen writer; very formal and knowledgeable. I can't say the same for the Little Miss Sunshine guy, that script was amateur indie at best and he even used the term "funnest" in his acceptance speech.

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    posted 02-25-2007 10:24 PM PT (US)     

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    Gustavo. What a tool. I don't know what other way to put it.

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    posted 02-25-2007 10:40 PM PT (US)     

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    I'm still pissed "Cars" lost.

    And "Babel" for score? Bite me.

    --Brian

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    posted 02-25-2007 11:03 PM PT (US)     

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    BBBlllleeecccckkkkk!!!!

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    posted 02-25-2007 11:04 PM PT (US)     

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    Suddenly I just realized:

    Gustavo = 2 Oscars

    Morricone = 1 Oscar (and it's a pity one at that)


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    posted 02-25-2007 11:29 PM PT (US)     

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    I pretty much doubt that there is a single person in the film music community who thinks this was deserved. The fact that the end of "Babel" is reportedly scored with an original piece composed by Ryuichi Sakamoto doesn't help matters, either, as this sort of violates their rules.

    Remember in 1980 when "Fame" beat "The Elephant Man," "The Empire Strikes Back," "Tess," and "Altered States?"

    Deja vu.

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    posted 02-26-2007 02:21 AM PT (US)     

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    Yeah, how the rules were being applied in Babel's case (or not, it would appear), is one of the more hazy problems of the 79th Academy Awards...

    CK

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    posted 02-26-2007 03:14 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by nuts_score:
    Suddenly I just realized:

    Gustavo = 2 Oscars

    Morricone = 1 Oscar (and it's a pity one at that)



    Well Im really glad he got it but getting a Honorary Oscar after so much great scores hes done is like throwing him a bone.

    sd


    Well done Maestro anyway , your a class act.


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    posted 02-26-2007 06:56 AM PT (US)     

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    Frankly, I'm so pissed right now that I know, at the end of this post, I will regret that I ever turned my computer on.

    Do you know these days? These days, when you think the world has gone completely bonkers, and you're the only one who's still miraculously survived inside a bubble?
    Fortunately, these days are rare, but when they come, they hit you hard, and in this case, it's the equivalent of a monster truck ramming a 10x7 dildo into your a** at full speed. Peter, feel free to edit this last statement, but it had to be said.

    Imagine that, I'm sitting there, still smiling after Jerry Seinfeld's great little bit, and then my grin gets ripped out of my face.
    Ok, Brokeback Mountain, I can understand that (although I'll never be at peace with it) considering the popularity of the movie. And I took it as an unfortunate accident, that a composer who did and achieved so little (if anything) got rewarded just to add another Oscar to the DVD cover of the film.
    But twice in a row? Where they actually serious about Santaolalla being better, more inventive, more sensitive, more skilfull than Geisha, Munich, Pan's Labyrinth and The Queen?
    Give me a break, give me a f***ing break!

    This can't be, this isn't right, and no sane person can possibly think otherwise. There's no heart in Santaolalla's scores, no inventiveness, no individual charme - his scores are there because they have to be there, nothing more, and god forbid they ever become less ("less" in this case would mean that it would actually hurt the film).
    I have nothing against Santaolalla doing what he's doing, but I do have something against the gargantuan lack of taste that helps this epitome of musac and mediocrity promote itself as something great, or even worthwhile.
    Listening to Pan's Labyrinth is interesting, listening to The Queen is interesting, listening to The Prestige is interesting, listening to Babel is boring, unengaging. That should be the first elimination point right there.

    And the thunderous applause he got ... am I the only one? Am I the only one who thinks that his Double Win is like a middle finger to the face of every composer who knows his way around a symphonic orchestra? From Miklos Rosza to Santaolalla ... wow, would someone pinch me, please?

    Frankly, I shudder at the thought that the same people who voted for Fellowship Of The Ring also voted for Babel.

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    posted 02-26-2007 12:58 PM PT (US)     

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    I know...the academy disgusts me. Makes the oscars lose validity.

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    posted 02-26-2007 02:10 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by nuts_score:
    At least we finally got a film that will stand the scrutiny of time to win for Best Picture . . . it's been a while since one of those came along.

    Good to see William Monahan getting some tremednous reception. The guy is a wonderful storyteller and screen writer; very formal and knowledgeable.


    Blah blah blah... Letters From Iwo Jima blew that one outta' Boston in both categories. I like The Departed, but it sure as hell doesn't equal up to a Best Picture this year; yet another reason these Academy Awards stink! There's too much of a similarity to Infernal Affairs for me to wrap my head around all the award acclaim this film has received.


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    posted 02-26-2007 10:11 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by sean:
    Blah blah blah... Letters From Iwo Jima blew that one outta' Boston in both categories. I like The Departed, but it sure as hell doesn't equal up to a Best Picture this year; yet another reason these Academy Awards stink! There's too much of a similarity to Infernal Affairs for me to wrap my head around all the award acclaim this film has received.


    Here's the thing Sean, I agree with you on many fronts; in fact, I think Letters is Eastwood's best film since The Outlaw Josey Wales and it might have very-well earned Best Picture. Unfortunately, I'm hoping that the Academy is growing tired of these "tailor-made" Oscar films that Eastwood puts out so frequently. Flags of Our Fathers was an incongruent mess which, thankfully, Letters made up tremendously for. But seeing the Academy recognize a Genre film in a year filled with Oscar-bait (All the Kings Men anyone?) is such a welcome sign of relief. And I disagree with you on your Departed comment. Scorcese and Monahan made that film their own. Sure, there are comparable similarities in both films; that probably has something to do with the fact that The Departed is a loose remake of IA. But enough research and hard work went into Departed to make it a Genre classic; so fair is fair. The IA trilogy exists as its own; it's a wonderful example of hong Kong filmmaking, and I certainly think they're nothing to masturbate over (as other, IA-*******s might do). So, let them exist as their own films, and be happy that such a worthless Academy is finally ready to give Scorcese the recognition he's been denied. Now if only we had a time machine to go back and take away Hitchcock's Honorary Oscar and place one for something as brilliant as North by Northwest or Vertigo in it's due. Same for Kubrick and Altman.

    Don't worry, Letters, just like The Departed - and unlike Crash and Million Dollar Baby - will be remembered for ages.

    Gustavo Santaolla, however, will not.

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    posted 02-27-2007 01:33 PM PT (US)     

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    Sean has an argument about similar stories, but what cannot be argued is Thelma Schoonmaker's editing. A well-earned Oscar there. The editing is what set this film apart from the others, besides the great overall soundtrack of the film (a given for all Marty's films). I just watched the film last night to see what the hoopla was about, and I'll be damned that it won Best Picture. It must be because of the lack of other, better nominees? It's a solid film, and perhaps all that's needed to get a trophy these days. I personally enjoyed it... I would have sat there for three more hours if it were to go that long. But it was the editing for sure, more than anything else. I've seen some great Best Pictures. But, overall this one was an average Best Picture.

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    posted 02-27-2007 01:46 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by PeterK:
    I've seen some great Best Pictures. But, overall this one was an average Best Picture.

    But that's the thing, there hasn't been one of those since Unforgiven (but I'd certainly give American Beauty a second look). I say give The Departed its time. It'll hold up well.


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    posted 02-27-2007 10:39 PM PT (US)     

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    Oh yeah, The Departed's cast guarantees huge longevity... Best Picture or not. There are plenty of movies that have held up over time that aren't Best Pitchers (not even nominators), and lots of Best Pictures have died miserable deaths. This one's definitely safe from that, so Hollywood has picked a "winner" in that regard. But for me, it's a good pic, with enough f**** and f*** and f***** and f*****s to fill all those empty seats in the porn theater in the film. Editing was cool, will be (should be) remembered very much.

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    posted 02-27-2007 11:25 PM PT (US)     

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    Just out of curiosity, isn't there a rule about the number of songs out numbering the number of score cues? Or number of minutes of songs out numbering the number of minutes of score? I seem to remember some rule about the ammount of score in a film... Or maybe I am going crazy.

    Clayton

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    posted 02-28-2007 01:31 PM PT (US)     

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    I am thinking you may be remembering the various rules and regs set down for songs in movies (...they have to have some sort of significance, so many seconds long, etc...) You know, the whole reason only three songs were nominated for Oscar last year!!

    Melissa Etheridge's Oscar winning song was so important it wasn't even included on the soundtrack album. Neat... or should I say, "how inconvenient"!

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    posted 02-28-2007 01:37 PM PT (US)     

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    Peter, it wasn't because of a lack of better films from the past year that The Departed took home Best Picture; I think that Martin Scorcese directing it was probably the biggest factor and the stellar cast. Everything about this film, except for the horrendous sound mix (listen to how quiet Howard Shore's excellent score is in the film), is top-notch and it's a good film, for sure, it's just no Best Picture (I don't put any stock into the Oscars anyway, so I probably shouldn't even be posting in this thread). Check out Letters From Iwo Jima, it's far better and should instantly dispell any notions of other nominees being lesser films, or not up to scratch.

    nuts, The Departed is just as much "Oscar bait" as any other film: just look at the cast, and the director, for that matter. As for the Infernal Affairs remark: I agree that Departed is different enough to be it's own thing, but I still can't wrap my head around this film you like you can; I'm too set in my ways about this one, it's like if Peter Jackson's King Kong won for Best Picture, even though other very similar Kong films exist--that's just my fuzzy math lol.

    But hell, what the frak do I know? My favourite films of the year were:

    1. Letters From Iwo Jima
    2. Superman Returns
    3. Casino Royale
    4. Rocky Balboa
    5. D.O.A. LMAO!!!

    [Message edited by sean on 03-01-2007]

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    posted 03-01-2007 12:18 AM PT (US)     

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    Oh man, if Peter Jackson's King Kong was even nominated for Best Picture you'd know it was a bad year for movies. Good list by the way. You know I loved all of those movies (and I'll even admit to downloading D.O.A. since I'm a fan of the game series and it never came to Atlanta. But I'd definitely put Casino Royale as my favorite from last year; simply a stellar film right there, nothing beat it's ferocity and beauty.

    Did you get your package yet Sean?

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    posted 03-01-2007 01:23 PM PT (US)     

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    Oh, and I'm referring to those Oscar-bait movies that always involve AIDS-stricken, drug-addled people, which are usually biopics of mentally challenged individuals who overcome their problems and sometimes directed at the extreme Leftist stance in Hollywood. Luckily, this year had fewer of those. I'm still upset that A Beautiful Mind beat Gosford Park in '01 and you know not to get me started over last year.

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    posted 03-01-2007 01:27 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by nuts_score:
    Oh, and I'm referring to those Oscar-bait movies that always involve AIDS-stricken, drug-addled people, which are usually biopics of mentally challenged individuals who overcome their problems and sometimes directed at the extreme Leftist stance in Hollywood.

    LMAO!!! Funniest thing I've seen all day!

    I have not received my package, yet. Man, OK, now I'm excited! Didn't think you'd get around to it HAHA! Thanks!

    NOW, I want them to make one of those movies like you mention above about James Horner, played by Russell Crowe, with this disease (linked below) which he must overcome and write the score for Vibes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horner's_syndrome


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    posted 03-03-2007 11:49 PM PT (US)     
     

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