NATIONAL TREASURE
Original Score
Music by Trevor Rabin
$59.95 ea.
OUT OF PRINT-ONE COPY AVAILABLE

I just checked Amazon, and they're selling it for $39.95, so maybe Buysoundtrax is on to something, here, but....seriously, what the hell? When did soundtrack collecting become Wonderland?

I got it after it went out of print on ebay from a canadian merchant for around $15-$20. The only thing I can guess is the printing run ended a bit later in Canada than here. I don't know.

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=AVCW-12423

It could be Thaxton selling off remaining OOP copies for premium pricing because he's working on an expanded score for imminent release, like with Quigley Down Under and others. Phooey to insider trading in the soundtrack world! It's bad enough as it is in the corporate world.

They could have asked you to spend $300 first on other CDs so you could then "earn" the right to purchase it for $60! Eeek!

Time for me to go list a Die Hard soundtrack CD for $5,000 again. Gotta get it while I can.... because it might show up in iTunes next week for $9.99.

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Originally posted by PeterK:
Either they've gone off the deep end long ago, or this is a standard practice. I say both! Expect anything else from moi?

It could be Thaxton selling off remaining OOP copies for premium pricing because he's working on an expanded score for imminent release, like with Quigley Down Under and others. Phooey to insider trading in the soundtrack world! It's bad enough as it is in the corporate world.

They could have asked you to spend $300 first on other CDs so you could then "earn" the right to purchase it for $60! Eeek!

Time for me to go list a Die Hard soundtrack CD for $5,000 again. Gotta get it while I can.... because it might show up in iTunes next week for $9.99.

Have a good weekend, and spend your money wisely!

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I doubt National Treasure gets the expanded treatment anytime soon (but your response still made me chuckle)

--Brian

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Originally posted by PeterK:
Unfortunately... the answer is no. I expected it to fly off the shelf. Maybe I've gone off the deep end, or maybe I dove head first into the baby pool.

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Originally posted by PeterK:
Unfortunately... the answer is no. I expected it to fly off the shelf.

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Originally posted by John C Winfrey:
LOL. Incredible!!!!!!!!!!! This Cd can be picked up at just about every used Cd store in America for about 4 bucks and you can get the new copy in lots of the places too for about 10. WOW. J.

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I just did a search on eBay for National Treasure...
One Canadian seller has it for auction and the current bid is $12.93.
There are three Buy It Nows that range from $40 to $40.99.

There are three copies up on Amazon right now and the price range is from $35.56 to $60.95.

Are any of the other soundtrack speciality shops carrying this title?

No.

Peter, are you carrying it?

No?

Buysoundtrax's price for this does not seem outrageous to me... And no one is putting a gun to your head to pay that much money for a CD.

John Winfrey, sir... I would like to see you produce some of these used or new copies of National Treasure at the $4 or $10 price point you have seen them at. If you can find them that cheap, perhaps you may be able to sell them at a price of your choosing and make a little profit. It's the American way, after all... But watch out! People like Lance and Peter are always watching and always vigilant! You can't make too much profit or else...

What a load of bullsh*t... I see other specialty shops like Intrada and Screen Archives offering out of print titles for outrageous prices all the time and I rarely see any postings about it on any of the boards. But if Buysoundtrax does it... Oh, boy... Get the torches, get the pickforks... Get me a rope.

This thread is a reminder to me just what a graveyard this message board has become.

I remember when we actually had some filmmusic discussion going on in this place... Interesting people had something to say about the music they liked and they could express their opinions with a more than reasonable degree of comfort. Where have those people gone... Now all I see are old threads resurrected in the hopes of stimulating some discussion, Peter plugging the store or someone taking a shot at Buysoundtrax. And you, Peter, are always there to fan the flames for that.

BMikeJ, you iz being selective in your reaction, which is understandable and acceptable because your friends are the buysoundtrax guys. But to say only Buysoundtrax is picked on is completely false.

This whole play about how this place sucks because there's no good discussion (especially from someone who hasn't tried contributing whatever they may consider good discussion) is boring. Old turds that don't even smell anymore until you hit them with the lawnmower.

Yeah, I am not a fan of the revived Zimmerito thread, but the only post you made this week... was a non-sequitor to that thread. So, if things suck around here, you can thank this kind of contribution!

I say it frankly, not with hatred or hopes that you'll come back after vowing to never post here again. You can do what you want, but we all gotta face truth. I say forget about it all and get back to film music discussion. Yeah, that's what I say.

Am I really flooding the forum with MovieMusic Store promos? If I'm not mistaken, I link to pre-orders when they are available. It's like a time-saver so I won't have to answer a bunch of emails asking about when it will be ready for pre-order! But, you're right. The emails still come in, and the post could be totally useless for someone. But I'll still do it. I apologize if it bothers you, and anyone else.

But yes, I love to joke about funny things. All hell breaks loose when it's about certain individuals, although my jokes are no different than they would be had it been about something else. But whatever.

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Originally posted by BMikeJ:
And, from what I've seen, there hasn't been a lot of anti-Moviemusic bashing. You provide good service and I will tell that to any person that asks me that.

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Not so much lately, but there was, espeically by Ford Thaxton. If you disagree with Mr. Thaxton over something its basically "you associate with Peter Kelly, so your opinion doesn't count" not in those words.

You'd think I joined the KK or the Nazis.

I love alot of CDs that Mr. Thaxton produces, and he's a pretty knowledgeable guy about soundtracks in general, but man, he gets a HUGE temper and can be a little odd sometimes.

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Originally posted by BMikeJ:
I gave up trying to stimulate discussion around here a long time ago, mostly because the people that I liked to talk with no longer post on this board.

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I'm not sure... is this meant as an insult to those who are still here? Because there are many here who make good discussion. But if it's more about those who you discuss with rather than the discussion itself, it's really unfair to say what you did about the quality of the discussion here.

Since this can be interpreted as a insult to those who are here, I have a responsibility to support everyone here who contributes good discussion.

But I guess we all do...he just stands out cause he freaks out on people so much, I don't know.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

And, yet, I don't recall seeing a recent post where Ford has mentioned Peter Kelly or Moviemusic in any capacity. But Peter mentions him alot around here... especially because it's the only place Peter can talk about him without expecting a response of any kind, since Peter has locked him out of the board.

Maybe none of this would make much of a difference if Peter didn't have a business to run. It's pretty easy to slag competition in a place where they can't respond in kind.

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And, yet, I don't recall seeing a recent post where Ford has mentioned Peter Kelly or Moviemusic in any capacity

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And the "Ford thing" is not going to go away, especially since you bring it up so often here.

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Originally posted by PeterK:
I'm not sure... is this meant as an insult to those who are still here?

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Your comments in light what you said about this place sucking because the friends you like no longer post here were unclear. So...

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. I don't think Buysoundtrax is being too outrageous with their pricing on this title.

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You should always do your research before buying.

I'm not shy about things I think are unfair and you can be sure that if I thought this needed discussion before now I would have.

But since you specifically asked for replies, you have them.

The problems that I have had with Buysoundtrax are basically about the way they do business, not pricing ones. When they do something I think is wrong or unfair I post about it. When they do right (in my view) I also post my support.

I have ordered from them once, they were a little slow but they came through just fine. But following the Inchon debate and how they dealt with a poster here and considering my criticism of their policies, I don't feel like I can trust them not to have problems with my order.

So when Lifeforce came out I ordered from elsewhere at a higher price. If I had more money I would buy more of their releases, as I have never had a problem with the way the music sounds but I will always buy from someone else.

The thing is I don't understand why you guys (BSX) respond to these kinds of posts in the first place. It almost never makes it better. It either turns to acrimonious debate or he said/she said pointlessness. You are never going to convince those who don’t like BSX and arguing with them just makes it seem like maybe they have a point. Even if you win, you lose.

You and all those guys at BSX should take a vow to stop debating this kind of thing and just reply to questions about the score releases. You may not think it’s fair, but you guys are not helping yourselves by defending every business decision publicly.

You don’t see Intrada or SAE arguing with their customers about this kind of crap. Correcting errors of fact is fine but debating the how and the why of the way you do business is a very bad idea. Maybe if you stopped responding to every slight, real or perceived, people would stop complaining in public about your customer service.

You guys are doing yourself a real disservice arguing with your customers in public.

I'm no mouthpiece for BSX, if that's what you're saying. They happen to be friends, as Peter said, and I occasionally help out with a project.

I would apply the same words to any of the speciality shops and I have done so in the past, in other threads...

I've worked at one of these shops and I know Doug, Jeff, Roger at Intrada and Craig at SAE and I know what they have to deal with on a daily basis because I've done it myself.

Frequently, these dustups that you are referring to end up starting because people like to have something to talk about... It rarely occurs to anyone who starts one of these bash <insert speciality shop> threads to pick up a telephone and call the other party to try and resolve an issue. I know this because I have been witness to it.

But you are probably right... It would be better not to address these sorts of things in public, on a message board because it really doesn't make much of a difference in the long run. There are always going to be people out there with an axe to grind in one hand and a fistful of sour grapes in the other.

And it ultimately doesn't matter what gets written on these boards about a particular label or shop because most of the business tends to come from people that don't post on the boards and it's usually just the same vocal minority chiming in.

The reason that I thought you might be a spokesperson for them is because on every thread that involves them you post, even when they don't. You always defend their position. I assumed that you were a partisan in their camp.

I absolutely agree with you that things can be resolved by a phone call fairly quickly. But most people became frustrated when repeated emails go unanswered. And BSX’s past history of responding to these kinds of threads, often defensively, assures that there will be a response from them if you post.

Instead of responding publicly, perhaps BSX should pick up the phone and give the disgruntled customer a call. After all, the phone does work in both directions and customers don’t feel that once they have placed an order they should have to do all the work to make sure that it is being handled appropriately. The more work you make a customer do the more likely he is to shop elsewhere if he can. Calling the customer to resolve the problem leave the original poster the option to either drop it or go on the board and talk about the nice call he got from BSX that resolved his problem. If he has honor, he will report favorably. If he doesn’t, his words are dust on the ground.

You are quite correct that the ultimate arbitrator in these kinds of situations is the market. We all vote with our wallets. But I wouldn’t dismiss the influence of forums entirely. While it is very true that only a few people, and generally the same people, post on the boards, there are many, many lurkers who never post but do read.

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Originally posted by tjguitar:
The only disappointments I had is they left out some of the best music, from the end of the movie.

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That music was by Don Harper.

...that when I started this thread, my objective wasn't to bash Buysoundtrax, even if they're apparently as capitalistic as the next hombre. Let them charge whatever they want. The buyer will decide. I threw the Amazon reference in there to illustrate that it wasn't intended to be as pointedly offensive as some may infer.

Actually, my statement intended (though lacked some clarity, admittedly) -- that for one, soundtracks are not baseball cards, and with the "era" of digital download upon us, there is some seeming irrationality in the price of music amongst collectors.

Those of us here who consider ourselves regulars (though I doubt that I post regularly enough to be considered "valiant" by any standards) certainly have had experiences with tracking down hard-to-find scores, and usually (those of us without industry connections) pay exorbitant prices for such scores, in any format. When the ideal pursuit here is the artform of movie scoring, the attachement of (what seems to the person of modest means) an incredibly high price for the addition of one title to our library is, on occasion, infuriating. Especially for a title that was not long ago released.

This is not, after all, Goldsmith's "Freud", or something rarer. This is something that was released the same year as Britney Spears' "Toxic", but what's frustrating is that anyone reading this can walk into roughly any music retailer and buy that finely crafted jewel on compact disc for the price of a theatre ticket and popcorn.

My "vigilance" is really to the music, not picking at individuals and/or companies trying to capitalize on the supposed collectivity of such scores. Like most of us, I know that buying the album as soon as it's released is the equivalent of "opportunity knocks once", because those who hesitate are subjected to the frustration of collector prices once the album is discontinued. But my desire as a collector is limited by my ability as a consumer, and I must often constrain myself to the limits of my wallet.

But, as I pointed out, would most individuals purchase the actual painting, when a print would suffice? Not arguing aesthetics, here, but in the music's case, is a print worthy enough? Even a print that most would buy? Do they need to charge prices that reflect rarity as well?

--Steve.