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    Topic:   Oscar noms... any guessing?

     PeterK
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    My reaction to the GG noms made me think for sure this will be a year when the GGs and the Oscar noms for best score would be radically different. I am happy with Desplat's win, and wouldn't be upset to see his score on tomorrow morning's lists.

    But what else... What were your favorites from the year that you want to see nominated? And then there's those that may not be favorites but you know the Academy will recognize anyway?

    I am ready for some surprises!

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    posted 01-22-2007 10:25 AM PT (US)     

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    The Nativity Story

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    posted 01-22-2007 10:30 AM PT (US)     

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    I would like to see a Nativity Story nomination, it's a deserving work.

    Other thoughts: Philip Glass hasn't written as many film and tv scores annually as he has in the last two or three years; this year alone three beautiful soundtracks on CD. I hope one of them is nominated. The public is buying The Illusionist at a brisk pace (thanks for the orders!). I enjoyed Roving Mars, but I can't recall an IMAX film score ever being nominated (against the rules, or what?!).


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    posted 01-22-2007 10:52 AM PT (US)     

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    The Painted Veil
    The DaVinci Code
    Flags of our Fathers
    The Illusionist
    The Fountain

    Or maybe The Departed? Or The Queen? I just hope Babel doesn't get nominated cos it's bad enough he got the Oscar last year for 2 tracks, no matter how gorgeous they were.

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    posted 01-22-2007 11:43 AM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    I agree on the Gustavo factor. I hope Babel's score isn't nominated.

    I also agree that Hollywood would nominate something related to The DaVinci Code before they would nominate something from The Nativitiy Story, which is unfornate. Nativity Story is more deserving of the two.

    I wonder if the music branch leans more toward certain aspects of music scores than others, instead of truly a combination of all of them. Like importance of the music as it "works" in the movie (which requires an honest scholarly consumption of the movie, which no one has the time for if they are to be fair to all scores written in any given year), as well as the originality of the work on its own, and finally the emotional response the music evokes. All too often it's only the emotional response that music evokes, with little regard to originality and truly artful scoring, that gets the limelight.

    I don't want to see any Zimmer or Horner this year, and looks so far like others don't either (a bit skewed as only two posts have been made with guesses!).

    John Powell or Mark Isham would be welcome nominees.

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    posted 01-22-2007 02:38 PM PT (US)     

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    Could you elaborate a bit more on "Nativity Story" -- your consideration that it is nominee-worthy intrigues me.

    Also, would you recommend/consider Oscar-worthy "Pan's Labyrinth"?

    (Edit: I see that your post above beat mine by a few moments--had I waited another few, I might have read your initial response. I suppose I overlooked 'Nativity', anticipating an attempt to capitalize/reclaim the success of 'Passion of the Christ', and as such, imitate it in as many ways possible. Less bloodshed, perhaps.)

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    posted 01-22-2007 02:45 PM PT (US)     

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    Predictions:

    1. Babel - Santaolalla
    2. Da Vinci Code - Zimmer
    3. The Fountain - Mansell
    4. The Piented Viel - Desplat
    5. Maybe a T. Newman score - either Good German or Little Children

    My picks:

    1. The Fountain - Mansell (easily my favorite score of the year)
    2. Pan's Labyrinth - Navarette
    3. Lady in the Water - Howard
    4. The Departed - Shore
    5. X Men 3 - Powell

    Zimmer's Da Vinci Code is a definete runner up for me, as well as Giachinno's M:I:III.

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    posted 01-22-2007 03:47 PM PT (US)     

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    Nativity Story is just one of those examples that would do well if the Academy used certain benchmarks to nominate, rather than just going by which scores pushed your emotional buttons the most effectively.

    Danna's score is interesting that he takes historical religious music (spanning about 800 to 1800) and incorporates this with his own music (specifically written to support the challenges and relationships of the leads).

    Why? Because Danna figured this is the greatest story of all time. The nativity is an event that has inspired artists throughout the history of 0-present.

    And then, to translate everything that wasn't originally from Latin verse into Latin verse to connect with the primary language that, for the greater part of 2000 years, was the language used to propagate the story of the nativity throughout civilization? Neat.

    Scholarly art, originality, and great emotional response (just listen to "Holy Night" in Latin!).

    Of course, this is only a brief look at the score with just a few examples. This score is a good piece of work. Da Vinci Code doesn't seem to do what this score does, and neither does Passion of the Christ for that matter!

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    posted 01-22-2007 04:17 PM PT (US)     

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    I wouldn't expect one score to accomplish what another accomplishes...Zimmer's "DaVinci" and Debney's "Passion" each accomplish what they do individually, not in spite of each other.

    Though, the argument you make seems (to me?) to be similar to the argument about figure skating in the Olympics--that a score should not merely be aesthetically pleasing, but also achieve a number of technical elements in order to be eligible for an award--no?

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    posted 01-22-2007 07:41 PM PT (US)     

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    Sounds like you've got it. Skaters accomplish what they do individually, too, but when judged against a set of benchmarks, there's an objective element that steers clear of "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" subjectivity.

    Of course, skating is a little more based on real life than movies, what with the human body being the strict limitation, so it's easier to benchmark. But this doesn't mean the Academy can't try some of it out. Their "aesthetically pleasing" has famously goofed them up many times, most especially in the score category....

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    posted 01-22-2007 10:02 PM PT (US)     

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    Not really sure what to think of tomorrow...

    THE QUEEN (Desplat)
    LITTLE CHILDREN (Newman)
    BABEL (Santaolalla)

    Possibly also:
    THE DEPARTED (Shore)
    APOCALYPTO (Horner)

    And I would be very happy if THE PAINTED VEIL, THE NATIVITY STORY, THE BLACK DAHLIA or LADY IN THE WATER crowded in on the action.

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    posted 01-22-2007 11:41 PM PT (US)     

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    First off, Peter, you're mistaken: Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan, The Empire Strikes Back, and Yor: The Hunter From The Future are the greatest stories of all time, not the sad story of Jesus.

    Oscar predictions:

    1. All The King's Men, James Horner
    2. The Good German, Thomas Newman
    3. The Illusionist, Philip Glass
    4. Apocalypto, James Horner
    5. The Painted Veil, Alexnader Desplat

    My nominations:

    1. The Da Vinci Code, Hans Zimmer
    2. The Illusionist, Philip Glass
    3. Lady In The Water, James Newton Howard
    4. Inside Man, Terence Blanchard
    5. Blood Diamond, James Newton Howard

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    posted 01-23-2007 05:01 AM PT (US)     

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    Nominees:


    Babel (2006): Gustavo Santaolalla

    The Good German (2006): Thomas Newman

    Notes on a Scandal (2006): Philip Glass

    Laberinto del Fauno, El (2006): Javier Navarrete

    The Queen (2006): Alexandre Desplat

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    posted 01-23-2007 06:56 AM PT (US)     

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    Wow... how wrong we were

    Glad to see Newman, Navarreta and Desplat there. Not let's just hope they don't do the same mistake as last year.

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    posted 01-23-2007 07:04 AM PT (US)     

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    Three intelligent nods up there, one mistake, and they must have chosen another Philip Glass score and Notes on a Scandal must be a typo. As much as I like Glass, that score reminds me of The Hours and he already won for that score.

    I was also a little disappointed not to see any technical achievements being given out to Casino Royale (especially a nod for Best Original Song, one that certainly has grown with me through viewings and listens). I do think all of the technical nods are well-deserved though. It's a great pleasure to see Wally Pfister back up on the Cinematography list for yet another Christopher Nolan film. Hopefully they'll wake up and actually give him the award the continuously tease him with. Visgmond's camera work on The Black Dahlia was my absoulte favorite of the year, so I'm glad that got recognized. And to see Lubezki and Navarro being nominated together is wonderful. However, Dick Pope's cinematography for The Illusionist was one of the primary problems I had with the film. It all felt too fake, too staged. I got the idea that he was harkening back to an earlier time with his cinematography, but it came across as cheap and useless; it added nothing to the already weak story and characters. At least Pfister and Nolan had the dignity to address their film as something that could exist in timelessness. Jeong-hun Jeong's cinematography for Sympathy for Lady Vengeance went for the same lighting style of the stark images and specifically lit objects, but it achieved mood rather than forgery. I would have loved to see it nominated.

    Here's the whole list of nominations.

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    posted 01-23-2007 08:26 AM PT (US)     

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    Well, I'm very happy to see Pan's Labyrinth up there... and I'm content with all the rest... save one. *cough cough* Bab- *cough*

    I do like Desplat, so I'm looking into purchasing 'The Queen,' but I have just one nagging question: does he make gratuitous use of that bass synthesizer he used to such horrifically annoying effect in 'Birth' (and with far more restraint in 'The Painted Veil')? It drives me UP THE WALL, and I hereby vow to never again knowingly purchase one of his scores that contains it, as much as I adore his writing.

    I'll have to pick up 'The Good German' now too. Shucks.

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    posted 01-23-2007 09:23 AM PT (US)     

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    Congratulations Milan Records, wow.

    Thomas Newman may finally win, but ironically for a score that's more Alfred than Tommy! D'oh.

    Babel better get Best Pitcher, otherwise we can forget about everything in our dear category.

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    posted 01-23-2007 09:56 AM PT (US)     

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    Satanoalla...somehow fitting.

    And I still don't like him.

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    And for what's worth...my Top Five Scores of 2006 (+ TV):

    The Black Dahlia - Mark Isham
    The Departed - Howard Shore
    Eragon - Patrick Doyle
    The Good German - Thomas Newman
    The Nativity Story - Mychael Danna

    Planet Earth - George Fenton

    CK

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    posted 01-23-2007 10:05 AM PT (US)     

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    At this point the only one of the nominees I've heard is Pan's Labyrinth, though I'll be listening to The Good German once I get home tonight. The other three scores just didn't seem all that interesting to me.

    As much as I'd like to see Navarrete or Newman get an award, my gut says it'll go to Philip Glass, if only because he's probably the best known outside of film music circles.

    NP: Trece Campanadas (Javier Navarrete)

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