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Gae

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*****************SPOILERS*******************Just finished watching this movie adaptation after reading the Agatha Christie Novel recently. As usual, Bernard Herrman's score is wonderful and is in a similar vain to his other scores of "Doomed Love" and "Obsession" such as "Vertigo" and "Obsession". The song "Endless Night" is a haunting, even depressing, little ditty set to words from the William Blake poem "Auguries of Innocence". The denoument of the movie is haunting and there are links to "Vertigo" in both the surreal nightmarish imagery (an eye staring out through clouds) and in Herrmann's swirling music. Ellie's "Horse Riding" music harkens back to Tippi Hedren's scenes in "Marnie" and Herrmann once again utilises a Horn set to jaunty galloping music, but as this is Herrmann, there is always an underlying menace to the music.
One of my favourite personal moments in the score is when Michael and Greta make love in the "Music Room" that the now deceased Ellie loved so much and where she had spent so many melancholic moments at the harpsichord singing "Endless Night". As Michael and Greta passionately fall around the room, recklessly falling into and near the various instruments, Herrmann masterfully incorporates each instrument in his score as it appears in the scene. In the hands of a lesser composer this could have come over as corny and comical, but in the hands of a genius like Herrman, there is an emotional and ironic subtext at play in the music. The juxtaposition of the deceased Ellie's instruments with Michael and Greta's rampant lovemaking is highlighted in the score and is powerful stuff indeed.
Sadly, there seems to be no soundtrack score available. Does anyone know of, or have a Bootleg of this and if so would you be willing to trade or sell?
Gae
P.S. Interestingly, the Moog Synthesiser that is used ocassionally in the score is performed by a one, Howard Blake.
[Message edited by Gae on 09-24-2006]
posted 09-24-2006 06:14 AM PT (US) 
Dylan

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As far as I know, the master tapes of this are long gone, and until there is a re-recording the only way to hear this score is to watch the film (which I haven't seen). Thanks for the description of the music, though...1966-1976 was my favorite era for Herrmann ("Fahrenheit 451," "The Bride Wore Black," "Night Digger," "Sisters," "Taxi Driver," and my favorite of his, "Obsession," among others), so I'm sure it's wonderful.
posted 09-24-2006 03:45 PM PT (US) 
Gae

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Thanks for that Dylan. I might have to make my own bootleg of this from the DVD then, seeing as no-one's willing to officially re-record it and sell it to me...
Gae
posted 09-24-2006 04:52 PM PT (US) 
jonathan_little

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Sounds like it's right up my alley as far as Herrmann is concerned, but I haven't heard a note of the score! I'll definitely have to buy the DVD sometime soon.I pull out the Obsession DVD fairly often just to fawn over the music. There's just so much great music there that didn't make the LP cut (though the album sequencing does a brilliant job at presenting what is there.)
posted 09-24-2006 09:20 PM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

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That is one of the very few films scored by him I have not seen. And one of the few of his not recorded or on a legitimate CD yet.Of his 55 major film scores so many have been recorded several times now, meaning various themes or suites from them and certain scores like Psycho, etc.
Some of his rarer TV and radio music is becomding available now and some of it is very interesting. like that TV western stuff and those old Cerberus LPs being on CD now. Some of that is very interesting stuff.
J.
posted 09-25-2006 05:38 PM PT (US) 
jonathan_little

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quote:
Of his 55 major film scores so many have been recorded several times now, meaning various themes or suites from them and certain scores like Psycho, etc.Yeah, I know what you mean, John. I have about a half-dozen recordings of the Vertigo suite.
posted 09-26-2006 11:50 AM PT (US) 
Bond1965

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This from imdb.com's trivia on ENDLESS NIGHT:The lyrics Hayley Mills sings to Bernard Hermann's song are from William Blake's "Auguries of Innocence" (ca. 1803). "Every morn and every night Some to misery are born. Every morn and every night Some are born to sweet delight. Some are born to sweet delight, Some are born to endless night."
Jamesposted 09-26-2006 12:13 PM PT (US) 
Bond1965

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quote:
Originally posted by Gae:
[B]*****************SPOILERS*******************Ellie's "Horse Riding" music harkens back to Tippi Hedren's scenes in "Marnie" and Herrmann once again utilises a Horn set to jaunty galloping music, but as this is Herrmann, there is always an underlying menace to the music.
One of my favourite personal moments in the score is when Michael and Greta make love in the "Music Room" that the now deceased Ellie loved so much and where she had spent so many melancholic moments at the harpsichord singing "Endless Night". As Michael and Greta passionately fall around the room, recklessly falling into and near the various instruments, Herrmann masterfully incorporates each instrument in his score as it appears in the scene. In the hands of a lesser composer this could have come over as corny and comical, but in the hands of a genius like Herrman, there is an emotional and ironic subtext at play in the music. The juxtaposition of the deceased Ellie's instruments with Michael and Greta's rampant lovemaking is highlighted in the score and is powerful stuff indeed.
GaeP.S. Interestingly, the Moog Synthesiser that is used ocassionally in the score is performed by a one, Howard Blake.
[B]
I just watched this film on DVD last night thanks to your post and to Netflix stocking it!It's truly an odd film. The storyline's structure is really off in some ways and there are some really bad rear projection shots at the beginning.
That said, the score is absolutely wonderful. VERY effective and bizarre. Especially the use of the Moog Synthesizer. Great that Howard Blake was given such a prominent credit for it.
I didn't seem to notice any real similarity to MARNIE in the horseback sequence. I was expecting more of a galloping melody with lots of horns from your description but that sequence seemed to be mostly scored with strings from my viewpoint.
I wish I had paid more attention to the sequence in the music room you described as I really didn't notice the effect you did.
I loved, loved, loved the song set to the William Blake poem. Obviously NOT sung by Haley Mills. I wonder who did the vocal? It reminded me a lot of Kiri TeKawana, but I'm sure it was someone else. It was great that Herrmann used it again in the End Credits as it is interrupted in the film several times.
Terrible movie. Great score. Too bad the tapes are probably lost. It would be a stroke of luck if someone (perhaps Howard Blake) had a copy.
James
posted 10-03-2006 05:09 PM PT (US) 
Gae

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James,
I'll have to disagree with you on saying that its a terrible movie. Its no Classic I agree but still entertaining in its own way. I read the book only about a week ago and its a pretty faithful adaptation IMHO. I guess, if anything, the film probably hasn't aged that well and is really a movie of its era...i.e. the 70s. Still, its one of those childhood favourites and guilty pleasures of mine. We both agree on the score though. I guess you have to give me a little bit of "Artistic Licence" in describing the music as I didn't have the DVD in front of me at the time and was going by memory to be honest.Gae
[Message edited by Gae on 10-07-2006]
posted 10-07-2006 04:52 PM PT (US) 
Dylan

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Gae,If you are able to, can you post some MP3s online from this score (from the DVD)? I'd love the hear the main/end titles (with the Blake poem), and maybe some of the romantic music you speak of.
posted 10-08-2006 02:15 PM PT (US) 
Gae

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Dylan,
I'll try if I can find the time for sure.
Where would you recommend for easy storage? Rapidshare?
Gae
posted 10-08-2006 03:50 PM PT (US) 
Gae

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OK...I've done a 7 minute suite of the main music of the film with a bit of dialogue. Just need to know a good free online storage site. I'll use rapidshare unless I get any better suggestions.Gae
posted 10-09-2006 04:06 AM PT (US) 
Gae

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MP3 LinkIf you havent used Rapidshare before follow these instructions...
1)Scroll down and choose FREE account
2)Wait for new page and for countdown ticker to reach zero
3)When zero is reached the file will appear for downloadHappy listening
Gae
posted 10-09-2006 07:43 AM PT (US) 
jonathan_little

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Thanks Gae! My DVD of this is in media mail hell somewhere.(RANT) Have I mentioned how much I love spending extra money to get "standard" shipping, only to have it come media mail?!?
I'll buy DVDs elsewhere instead of from an unmentionable mega online store.) [Message edited by jonathan_little on 10-09-2006]
posted 10-09-2006 08:38 AM PT (US) 
MWRuger

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Thanks for the suite!
posted 10-09-2006 09:08 AM PT (US) 
Dr Lenera

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Ah,my first post on this forum {hello everyone by the way!} and we'll talking Bernard Herrmann,one of my favourites.I saw Endless Night the film quite recently,it's certainly an odd film,and nothing really happens in the first hour,but I kind of like it,the big twist worked for me when I first saw it and it actually improves on successive viewings because one can see how the plot has been constructed. Whatever,it's better than Twisted Nerve!
I sometimes have the film on just to listen to the score,it's not great Herrmann but still very good IMO,some lovely romantic stuff and some terrific suspense bits. I did notice that the main theme heavily resembles Herrmann's favourite {well,it must have been as he use it alot} Marnie/Sinbad theme.
Wouldn't it be fantastic to have this released on a CD with Twisted Nerve {both scores are quite short}?
[Message edited by Dr Lenera on 10-11-2006]
posted 10-10-2006 10:43 AM PT (US) 
PeterK

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Welcome to the forum, Doc! Another Herrmann fan is always most welcome.....
posted 10-10-2006 10:48 AM PT (US) 
Gae

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yousendit link for those having problems downloading with AOL.Gae
PS sorry about the poor quality of the suite. The original isn't great to be honest but I had to do this "blind" as I was looping the DVD line out of the comp into the "line in" and couldn't hear what I was recording.[Message edited by Gae on 10-10-2006]
posted 10-10-2006 03:45 PM PT (US) 
Dylan

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Gae,Thank you very much for compiling this suite...this era of Herrmann's career means the world to me, and this actually was the only feature film score of his I hadn't heard a note of until today. I appreciate your effort.
[Message edited by Dylan on 10-10-2006]
posted 10-10-2006 05:15 PM PT (US) 
Gae

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No probs Dylan, I just wish it was available on LP/CD. I'd whip it up in a snap.
As mentioned above, there are so many versions out there of Herrman's Classics like "Psycho" and "Vertigo" that it's just such a shame that lesser scores like "Endless Night" aren't available in any form.Gae
posted 10-10-2006 06:47 PM PT (US) 
Dylan

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I know. There isn't even an official CD release of "Obsession," which I believe is his greatest work.But yes, a CD of recordings of "Endless Night," "Bride Wore Black" (the re-recorded Bernstein suite leaves off most of the best music...not to mention the fact that only 2/3 of the actual score made it in the movie) and others would be great...how about a complete "Fahrenheit 451?"
posted 10-11-2006 06:47 PM PT (US) 
Gae

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Dylan, now that you mention "Fahrenheit 451" it makes me think that the strings "ride" music is similar to the "Fire-Engine" music more so than "Marnie" as mentioned previously. Similar in the sense that they are both driving rhythmic themes and instantly recognisable as Herrmann!
Gae
[Message edited by Gae on 10-12-2006]
posted 10-12-2006 06:01 AM PT (US) 
jonathan_little

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I watched the film a few nights ago and Herrmann's score strikes me as a mix of Sisters and Joy in the Morning. While neither of those are exactly top shelf Herrmann, it's still wonderful to hear this score. The end credits song has become an earworm infection for whatever reason. The film has some unintentionally hilarious 1970s elements in it, but it was a bit better than I had expected. I'm still confused by some pieces of it, so I'll have to watch it again sometime. It was nice to see George Sanders in one of his last roles.Obsession really needs better treatment on CD. It's hard to believe that it has been out of print for over a decade. Though we do have the LP program twice on CD, its mix hardly shows off how good the recording is. Of course it also left off at least 10 minutes of cues that are really, really great (like the wonderfully Vertigo-ish time passage piece and the New Orleans taxi ride.)
[Message edited by jonathan_little on 10-12-2006]
posted 10-12-2006 09:28 AM PT (US) 
Dr Lenera

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Regarding Obssession,there is of course that bootleg............But yes,it needs a proper complete release,after all ,it is a generally well regarded score.
posted 10-12-2006 01:13 PM PT (US) 
Gae

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Yes, I've just digitized my LP of "Obsession" and have been listening to it a lot recently. There are some wonderful moments in the score. I used to think it was very dark throughout but there are some exquisitely sublime moments in a similar vain to and on a par with "Tristan and Isolde"!Gae
[Message edited by Gae on 10-13-2006]
posted 10-12-2006 03:44 PM PT (US) 
Dylan

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The CD of "Obsession" you have, Jonathan, leaves out 30 minutes of music, plus some alternates. Snatch up the bootleg when you can...the sound on the extra 30 minutes isn't great, but it's good enough for now, and it is great to have that extra music.Someday, I hope the score will be officially released, remastered and expanded/complete. Not only is it my favorite Herrmann, but it's my favorite score in general (has been for almost five years), but I doubt it's going to happen...I'm grateful enough that the film itself is available (and the best way to listen to this score, in my opinion, is while watching the film).
NP: Elfman
[Message edited by Dylan on 10-13-2006]
posted 10-13-2006 12:43 AM PT (US) 
Gae

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The region 2 DVD of the movie "Obsession" is released in a couple of weeks. At that price I'm tempted to buy it. I havent seen the film in maybe 20 years. Hope its a good print.Gae
[Message edited by Gae on 10-13-2006]
posted 10-13-2006 05:18 AM PT (US) 
Dylan

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The Columbia R1 DVD looks terrific, so this one should look just as good, if not better.As far as picture quality is concerned, it should be noted that the cinematographer, Vilmos Zsigmond, flashed the negative for most of the shots, which creates a misty, dreamlike look, and the Columbia DVD beautifully preserves this. With that said, if you have never seen the film in widescreen then you're in for a treat.
[Message edited by Dylan on 10-15-2006]
posted 10-15-2006 05:33 PM PT (US) 
Gae

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Dylan, I have the Anchor Bay region 1 edition and the transfer is really nice and in widescreen too. I wonder if its the same one? I might put some captures up sometime.Gae
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