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nuts_score Standard Userer	I've been scanning over the film music group on MySpace and I ran across this thread which includes an interview with Goldsmith from the 90s in which he discusses his feelings towards modern composition versus older material and composers. It wasn't until I got later in the thread that I realized many of the kids posting there (average age is around 19 it seems, though this is my same age) have very little clue as to what they are talking about exactly. I found one little post particularly hazardous to whoever may have posted it (he goes by the profile name Skydog Starship): _____________________________________________ Warning: the following quote may upset any person here who has sincere feelings and respect for the late Jerry Goldsmith . . . and the Horner-love also may threaten Lou Goldberg and many others (myself included). _____________________________________________ quote: God, I hate Horner-Hate. Yes, he uses a lot of his material over and over and over... but it's excellent material. And he does more to make an audience emote than any other composer that comes to mind. The Braveheart "freedom" moment is chilling because of the score. The combination of his music and Ben Kingsley's performance in "House of Sand and Fog" positively heart-shattering. So shut up and leave the dude alone. Ps. Goldsmith can shave my crotch. He should be ashamed of himself for thinking he even has the right to an opinion. Talentless hack. I just thought I might bring up the future of our score-philes to the community. [Message edited by PeterK on 08-11-2006]
posted 08-11-2006 12:49 AM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	That is a good moment in HOUSE OF SAND AND FOG. The rest speaks for itself!
posted 08-11-2006 12:57 AM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	I haven't seen or heard House of Sand and Fog yet (too weepy and melodramatic it seemed for my tastes, and the storyline didn't particularly catch my attention during its release) and I do think that Horner can be a good composer when he puts his previous material aside and works something from (near-) scratch (The Chumscrubber); but his Goldsmith comment is entirely uncalled for. He seems like one of those kids who has never heard a Goldsmith score and if you told him about the Maestro's unfortunate passing, he'd reply with, "Well, the only reason you guys like him is because he's dead!" Which, truthfully, is the over-zealous statement of the year. I've been a collector of Goldsmith's since I began collection scores over six years ago and even then I recognized what he had done for the art of film score. This kid needs to go back and seriously re-think his position on whether or not he really has any "right to an opinion" on film scores.
posted 08-11-2006 01:20 AM PT (US)

TimT Standard Userer	Well...the truth is, from working around alot of 18 and 19 year olds...this is kinda how most of them talk. Thier thoughts, feelings and expressions are limited to an intellect of an adverage 19 year old. Which is younger than Goldsmith's entire career. At 19 can it be safe to say that this guy didn't get into film music until maybe 6-8 years ago at around 12 or 13 years old. 1996 when Goldsmith's scores started to become below adverage from a his previous stuff and Horner's popularity started to rise. Does it make more sense to be a Horner from that time?
posted 08-11-2006 08:08 AM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by TimT: At 19 can it be safe to say that this guy didn't get into film music until maybe 6-8 years ago at around 12 or 13 years old. 1996 when Goldsmith's scores started to become below adverage from a his previous stuff and Horner's popularity started to rise. Does it make more sense to be a Horner from that time? I think you're right on the money with this assumption. I'm 19, and you wouldn't believe the moans and groans I got in my car in my high school years about my music selection (but my friends eventually learned to look past it). I hate to sound pretentious, but in my experience, having six or so years of collecting film score under my belt has taught me one thing: expand, expand, expand. Grow with your collection, or else you'll have no clue what else is out there. Sure, I could have continued to solely listen to Zimmer and Williams like I did when I started, but I'd hate to imagine all of the great things I have discovered not being there for me. It seems that a lot of the younger score fans only like to select newer films work and completely avoid Golden and Silver Age material; something I have thankfully not done. Even to me, at a younger age, Horner got old and boring really quick (I think it was in-between listenings of Braveheart and Titanic that I said, "Wait one gosh-darn second!").
posted 08-11-2006 09:15 AM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	What really got me into Goldsmith big time was hearing the 2CD Silva collection of his music... UNDER FIRE, PATTON, MEDICINE MAN, GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY, BLUE MAX, RUSSIA HOUSE, POWDER, etc... I now know those performances weren't great, but it sure pushed me to buy more of his work. I knew almost nothing of his pre-TOTAL RECALL non-STAR TREK work before then.
posted 08-11-2006 09:35 AM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by franz_conrad: What really got me into Goldsmith big time was hearing the 2CD Silva collection of his music... UNDER FIRE, PATTON, MEDICINE MAN, GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY, BLUE MAX, RUSSIA HOUSE, POWDER, etc... I now know those performances weren't great, but it sure pushed me to buy more of his work. I knew almost nothing of his pre-TOTAL RECALL non-STAR TREK work before then. Ditto. Only for me it was their 4 cd box set release last summer.
posted 08-11-2006 10:05 AM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	Thanks to whomever (FishChip) condensed that pitiful URL address into a hyperlink. I'm terrible at attempting those.
posted 08-11-2006 10:40 AM PT (US)

rkeaveney Standard Userer	I thought everyone at MySpace was really in their 50s? I guess moronicism runs the entire age spectrum! Ryan
posted 08-11-2006 11:14 AM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by rkeaveney: I thought everyone at MySpace was really in their 50s? I guess moronicism runs the entire age spectrum! Ryan Wow, Ryan, is this directed towards me? Because you obviously aren't following my comments on what age and knowledge has to do with a "right to opinion" on film scores. But, in any case, I guess I should consider you liner notes on albums like Terror Tract useless. Let's not turn this thread into "how could you think older people use MySpace? Especially the film music group! That's a youngster's game!" and let's discuss what this thread started as: the short-sidedness of young score collectors; obviously myself included with this reply post.
posted 08-11-2006 12:32 PM PT (US)

ridan Standard Userer	Well, I'm 19, and I certainly have more respect for Goldsmith than Horner, and most other modern composers. I haven't heard so much as half of Goldsmith's work, but what I have heard is amazing. The second score CD I got, after Jurassic Park, was Goldsmith's Air Force One. (Why was Radek's Death not on the CD?!) I am very angry/embarassed at the similar aged folk who speak like that.
posted 08-11-2006 01:18 PM PT (US)

TimT Standard Userer	My first experience with Goldsmith's music was when I was 15. I saw the movie Medicine Man. The music was just so memorable and dreamy in the movie. I wound up renting the movie and recording the end credits on a cassete tape. I later found the CD used and I played it like 5 times a day. The funny thing is from 1992-1996, I never actually payed any attention to who composed the music to the scores I was getting. It wasn't until I got Air Force One and read Jerry Goldsmith's name on the cover that I realised that this guy also was listed on the Medicine Man cover also.
posted 08-11-2006 09:24 PM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	Radek's Death was not on the Air Force One OST because it would have costed Var�se way to much money in re-use fees to put it on. I think Var�se did want to have all of Goldsmith's music released on one CD but again because of the re-use fees it was impossible.
posted 08-12-2006 08:26 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by nuts_score: Wow, Ryan, is this directed towards me? nuts, I told you not to disturb Ryan, he's too busy with Photoshop making covers for Klaus Badelt's unreleased score to Basic!
posted 08-17-2006 10:32 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	Am I ever going to read Sean's post? Peter, NEW SERVER!
posted 08-18-2006 09:43 AM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by BigT1981: Radek's Death was not on the Air Force One OST because it would have costed Var�se way to much money in re-use fees to put it on. I think Var�se did want to have all of Goldsmith's music released on one CD but again because of the re-use fees it was impossible. I bet we get a Deluxe Edition of this at some point in the future. Seems reasonable.
posted 08-26-2006 03:18 AM PT (US)

Southall Standard Userer	I think Air Force One is already the perfect representation of that score. Sure, you could add in that Russian choral piece, but it's very brief and only a little Prokofiev pastiche anyway.
posted 08-26-2006 03:55 AM PT (US)

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