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Originally posted by nuts_score:
Fresh on the heels of the amazing trailer for a classic autuer (De Palma's The Black Dahlia) comes a trailer for Scorcese's latest: The Departed. I'll be the first to admit that his most recent work hasn't been too impressive (though I did really like The Aviator) but this one looks like it could very well be a mighty return to form. Nicholson looks to be a great villian and both Damon and DiCaprio are great leads; so it's obvious this has a great cast. What can we expect in Howard Shore's score or Marty's music selection? Already in the trailer we get a taste of the Stones and Pink Floyd; what's next? I'm thinking that Shore will go into more History of Violence or maybe even Cop Land territory for this one, but we'll see come this fall. Speaking of which, this fall movie season looks to be absolutely amazing with this, The Black Dahlia, The Prestige and The Fountain. All of these films I've been greatly anticipating (hell, it still feels like a dream that The Fountain is so close considering all the tough-times Aronofsky's had to go through to get that made) and I'm sure some more releases will be great surprises (my votes go to Borat and Beerfest . . . this summer's comedies are absolutely dreadful).

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Would be nice (though unlikely) that Shore uses some of the themes of the original score for the original asian film in which The Departed is based. The original score from "Wu jian dao" (Infernal Affairs) by Chan Kwong Wing is amazing. I hope Shore has listened it (or them, ´cause the three scores of the Infernal Affairs trilogy are awesome) and has taken some notes. Very unlikely as I said, but a great option IMHO!

And of course, I recommend you to listen the three scores from the original Hong Kong trilogy if you haven´t done it yet.

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Originally posted by Southall:
I hope Shore gets off the picture and Randy Newman is employed to write something a bit like Toy Story for this one.

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Originally posted by nuts_score:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Southall:
[b]I hope Shore gets off the picture and Randy Newman is employed to write something a bit like Toy Story for this one.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oooh, that would be nice.[/B]

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Originally posted by Marselus:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by nuts_score:
[b] <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Southall:
[b]I hope Shore gets off the picture and Randy Newman is employed to write something a bit like Toy Story for this one.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oooh, that would be nice.[/B]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, yes! With one of Newman´s campy songs for the cliffhanger of the movie![/B]

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Originally posted by Marselus:
And of course, I recommend you to listen the three scores from the original Hong Kong trilogy if you haven´t done it yet.
NP Infernal Affairs 2 (Chan Kwong Wing)

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Originally posted by Thor:
Hey, nutso, got any links to that DEPARTED trailer?

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Well, I meant to post this link when I originally made this thread so you guys would know what I'm talking about. Anyways, just click here:
http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?id=1451528&sdm=web&qtw=640&qth=400

First I wanted to say "WHAT A GREAT CAST!". I mean, Nicholson (my favourite actor of all time), Baldwin, Sheen, Damon, even DiCaprio (which is on/off for me). But then I saw Mark Wahlberg and thought "what the F-U-C-K is he doing there?!?". In any case, this looks interesting.

The "Comfortably Numb" excerpt at the end was not a Pink Floyd original, but either a cover version or taken from one of Roger Waters' concerts (with someone stepping in to do Gilmour's vocal parts).

NP: BATMAN AND ROBIN (Goldenthal)

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Originally posted by Thor:

The "Comfortably Numb" excerpt at the end was not a Pink Floyd original, but either a cover version or taken from one of Roger Waters' concerts (with someone stepping in to do Gilmour's vocal parts).

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My sources tell me that it's Vann Morrison performing with Waters during a concert.

And, you're right Thor, the cast is top-notch; but it's Scorcese! The film is a remake of the Hong Kong thriller Infernal Affairs (with my favirite Chinese actor: Tony Leung). I remember late last year or earlier this year cinematographer Christopher Doyle (currently the best working after Vilmos Zsigmond and Robert Richardson) in which he spoke out against Scorcese for his decision not to view the original Chinese trilogy as he feared it might compromise his original vision of the remake (the opposite of Cape Fear-effect). Let me do some digging around to find that interview with Doyle. Sit tight.

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Originally posted by nuts_score:
cinematographer Christopher Doyle (currently the best working after Vilmos Zsigmond and Robert Richardson)

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Oh, come on! They're filmographies are pretty lame overall, they have some good films, but there's tons in there that are awful. Doyle is great, he made Lady In The Water look better than it should have and his work for Wong-Kar Wai and Philip Noyce (recently) is unparalleled! But Newton Thomas Sigel, Jeffrey L. Kimball, John Toll, John Mathieson, and Joel Ransom can easily step up to bat and win against your picks (Doyle not included; he's in a league all his own).

A-ha, then it's from Waters' huge THE WALL concert in Berlin 1990 (to celebrate the fall of the Berlin wall). Many guest performers, including Van Morisson, who was not particularly comfortable - no pun intended - with being there, in front of such a big crowd. And his version of the song is really one of the worst around, sorry to say.

NP: THE BUTCHER BOY (Goldenthal)

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Originally posted by sean:
Problem with The Departed trailer: Jack Nicholson is in too much!

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I felt it was to LITTLE of Nicholson. But then again, I'm a BIG, BIG fan of his. He's my favourite actor, as I said above. So I'm biased.

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Originally posted by Thor:
I felt it was to LITTLE of Nicholson. But then again, I'm a BIG, BIG fan of his. He's my favourite actor, as I said above. So I'm biased.

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Go watch Infernal Affairs and then you'll get my meaning; Nicholson isn't the key to the film, it'll be Damon and DiCaprio.

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Originally posted by sean:
Oh, come on! They're filmographies are pretty lame overall, they have some good films, but there's tons in there that are awful. Doyle is great, he made Lady In The Water look better than it should have and his work for Wong-Kar Wai and Philip Noyce (recently) is unparalleled! But Newton Thomas Sigel, Jeffrey L. Kimball, John Toll, John Mathieson, and Joel Ransom can easily step up to bat and win against your picks (Doyle not included; he's in a league all his own).

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Why is my first inclination to tell you to stop watching movies while wearing sunglasses? Glad you like Doyle, and Sigel and Toll are both pretty good, but Jeffrey L. Kimball? Ugh.

Anyway, aside from Doyle and Zsigmond, Emmanuel Lubezki and William Lubtchansky own everyone.

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Originally posted by sean:
Go watch Infernal Affairs and then you'll get my meaning; Nicholson isn't the key to the film, it'll be Damon and DiCaprio.

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Yes, I got that. But I still want to see more Nicholson. Call it irrational fan adulation if you will.

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Originally posted by James:

Anyway, aside from Doyle and Zsigmond, Emmanuel Lubezki and William Lubtchansky own everyone.

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Kirk: I don't really understand your wearing sunglasses remark. Jeffrey Kimball's done great work for Tony Scott and John Woo (something nuts_score and I discussed and agreed on just the other day: a surprising back-track on his part) and the look he gave for the subpar Star Trek: Nemesis was excellent, and the best of the series since Hiro Narita's photography on Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. John Mathieson impressed me most with his beautiful work for the Ridley Scott film, Kingdom Of Heaven; and Joel Ransom more than blew me away with his work on Band Of Brothers and the 2003 mini series film, Battlestar Galactica. So, Kirk, I see nothing wrong with those choices and feel free to prove me wrong with more than an "Ugh" this time.

Your choices are fine, BTW, no problemos there.

I should also mention that William Pfister is an excellent DP. I'm surprised no one mentioned him (yeah, you, nuts_score! haha), given his excellent work for Christopher Nolan... Batman Begins and the upcoming The Prestige are true standouts!

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Originally posted by sean:
I should also mention that William Pfister is an excellent DP. I'm surprised no one mentioned him (yeah, you, nuts_score! haha), given his excellent work for Christopher Nolan... Batman Begins and the upcoming The Prestige are true standouts!

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Shouldn't we see THE PRESTIGE first?!

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Originally posted by franz_conrad:
Shouldn't we see THE PRESTIGE first?!

The only reason I'd be reluctant to name Mathieson or Kimball or others alongside Lubezki or Doyle or Deschanel is just down to the fact that they've all done at least one really strong work (e.g. Mathieson on KOH as you say), but they haven't scored as well as in a variety of films / conditions as Doyle/Lubezki/Storaro etc have. (And Mathieson's work on Phantom of the Opera didn't blow me away.)

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Well, just go watch The Prestige trailer and see for yourself. And I will not watch The Phantom Of The Opera, so whatever was done on that ridiculous film shouldn't matter to anyone.

As for my sunglasses comment, I suppose that was just my verbal replacement for the smilies that I don't use. A friendly jab, not a malicious one. I don't actually think there's anything wrong with your eyesight.

I didn't comment on Ransom because I haven't seen anything he's shot. He could be a genius for all I know, I just can't have an informed opinion about him. And I left Mathieson out because I'm split on him. Of the two movies he's shot that I've seen in full, I thought K-Pax looked pretty good and Gladiator looked horrid. The bits and pieces I saw of Matchstick Men looked nice. But like Ransom, I just don't think I've seen enough for a yea or a nay.

As for Kimball...

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Original posted by sean:
Jeffrey Kimball's done great work for Tony Scott and John Woo

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You may have hit the nail on the head there. I'm not a fan of either of those directors, so it's possible that my displeasure with Kimball might have more to do with the kind of look that they prefer rather than what his capabilities are. After all, I don't think his work is incompetent, I just think it's ugly. (For the record, I was also unimpressed with Nemesis, but I do agree that the photography in Star Trek films has yet to surpass -- or equal -- Narita's work.)

I don't know how to "prove" you wrong, nor am I sure that I'd want to. I think pink is a ghastly color, but I'm not going to go out and try to burn all the pink clothes I can find. That's more Lou's style (I kid, I kid).

I like Pfister, too, though I get the impression he's still getting a feel for what he can do and his best work is yet to come.

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Originally posted by Southall:
Vittorio Storaro, for heaven's sake!

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I'm never sure whether to include him among "still-working" DPs because he says he's (at least semi-)retired. But as IMDb says he has three projects in the pipeline, I guess that's moot. So yes, Storaro is a god, just like the sadly departed Conrad Hall and (my personal favorite) Sacha Vierny.

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Originally posted by nuts_score:
[Lubezki] fell of the radar a bit

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Yeah, that's bound to happen when you shoot The Cat in the Hat.

My favorite Lubezki (aside from The New World) is probably the work he's done with Alfonso Cuaron, particularly the rather problematic but still insanely beautiful Great Expectations.

Kirk

Gladiator is a bad-looking film, I agree, and even though Black Hawk Down is a horrible film, I think the cinematography is top-notch on Mathieson's part.

Hiro Narita really does steal the show with Star Trek VI, which also has some of the best Star Trek moments overall, film/saga-wise. On the new Director's Edition it really looks as if that film were shot yesterday, truly memorable (it'll be nice to watch it in HD, since Paramount is planning such a release in the near future). Don Peterman also did some memorable work on Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, and was nominated for an Academy Award for the job! The lighting/photography is also very well done in Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan! O.K., so my work here is done: II, IV, and VI are awesome and so is Nicholas Meyer! (LOL!)

I highly recommend the Battlestar Galactica mini series (and the show!), it looks great from what Joel Ransom provided photographically, and it was shot on 35mm. His Band Of Brothers work is also highly impressive.

And, Kirk, for the record: I'm always wearing sunglasses, especially at night in clubs and bars and places where it's just plain weird to being wearing shades. I like to take it to the limit (one more time)!

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Originally posted by Lou Goldberg:
But I'm just surprised that so many people here even know of the Internal Affairs films. Hell, some of you have the scores, which I don't even have!! Impressive.

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Originally posted by nuts_score:
Sean, when I mention my dislike of Kimball, it's mainly because of his work with Woo. His lighting on True Romance is a stand-out in the 90s, but I just feel his work with Woo is a bit sub-par on my scale. Nothing against him, I just wished that John Woo had stayed in Hong Kong.

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Kimball's work on M:I-2 is great (no matter what you think of the actual film); Windtalkers also has a nice look to it, even though the film isn't that strong and suffers from a ridiculous Nicholas Cage.

His work on Top Gun, True Romance, and Star Trek: Nemesis are my personal favourites... it would have been nice if he'd done Crimson Tide, which has that bathed in red Wrath Of Khan look to it (not that that's a bad thing).

You may get your wish ever crazier nuts_score, since Woo's next film is in Chinese and stars Chow Yun-Fat! Personally, I'd like to see the two of them do another Tequila film: I think you'll agree, Hard-Boiled is their best film, actor and director.

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Originally posted by franz_conrad:

They might not be as strong as they were in the early 90s, but HK films still hold a very strong place in my heart. Wong Kar Wai is my favourite active director in any language.

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Wong Kar Wai and I once had an affair, we called it In the Mood for Love.

>>>Would be nice (though unlikely) that Shore uses some of the themes of the original score for the original asian film in which The Departed is based. The original score from "Wu jian dao" (Infernal Affairs) by Chan Kwong Wing is amazing. I hope Shore has listened it (or them, ´cause the three scores of the Infernal Affairs trilogy are awesome) and has taken some notes. Very unlikely as I said, but a great option IMHO!>>>

FYI, Shore’s score is written for only three performers, so it’s it’ll really be quite a unique sound for the film.

What three performers?

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Originally posted by Doug Adams:
FYI, Shore’s score is written for only three performers, so it’s it’ll really be quite a unique sound for the film.

-Doug Adams

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Originally posted by Doug Adams:
>>>I'm drunk... I'm not really interested in Howard Shore revisiting either Cop Land or A History Of Violence. I'd like to hear something in the way of Se7en from him. His music for the desert sequence finale is incredible; it's a much better cop score than the others mentioned above.>>>

>>>Would be nice (though unlikely) that Shore uses some of the themes of the original score for the original asian film in which The Departed is based. The original score from "Wu jian dao" (Infernal Affairs) by Chan Kwong Wing is amazing. I hope Shore has listened it (or them, ´cause the three scores of the Infernal Affairs trilogy are awesome) and has taken some notes. Very unlikely as I said, but a great option IMHO!>>>

FYI, Shore’s score is written for only three performers, so it’s it’ll really be quite a unique sound for the film.

-Doug Adams

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Originally posted by Marselus:
Three performers.....I´m afraid it won´t be what I expected.
A sound as unique as you want Doug, but a mini ensemble for a thriller seems very poor, and having listened the three original scores, even poorer. But I didn´t expect the remake of the classic HK movie to be better than the original.

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And I think it's worth pointing out that three performers doesn't necessarily equal only three instruments. I'm really looking forward to hearing what he comes up with for this one now.