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As the score is based around the Rozsa violin concerto, there are of course scores for these segements. However, there are no scores available for the other segments. What are available are "partial sketches" for some of these cues.

So, reconstruction will be a mixture of 25% use of the violin concerto scores, 45% re-orchestration using Rozsa's original sketches, and 30 total reconstruction "by ear".

I know this..because this will be the next Tadlow Music recording. I shall record the complete score in Prague at the Barrandov Film Music Studio..ala TRUE GRIT, and then also record the complete violin concerto at the world famous Dvorak Concert Hall. So, the original score will have a very much "film score" sound, while the concerto will have a very "classical" sound using the superb natural acoustic of the concert hall.

The main problem has been finding a suitable soloist who can compete with Heifetz. This has now been done.

James Fitzpatrick

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Working towards a release date of April 18th 2007.

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This should be good. I will get it for sure. I really like that piece on the old Deutschgrammaphon Lps.

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Originally posted by firefox:
>>>>>> and 30 total reconstruction "by ear".

YIKES! That means "guessing" all the intricacies in the original score, going from 30+ year-old audio tracks. Not going to sound accurate. It'll be a reconstruction of an old soundtrack -- not a reconstruction of Rozsa's written scores.

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Originally posted by Lou Goldberg:
Once again, instead of Silva going to the effort of re-recording the thing, why don't they just pony up the money and put out the originals. Sure, it's more expensive to pay the re-use fees than to hire Tadlow & co. but what would you really rather have, 5 piss-poor Silva re-records or one solid OST of the original tracks?

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Two reasons:
(i) Silva ISN'T doing this... it's a solo TADLOW project. And if it's on the order of TRUE GRIT or GUNS OF NAVARONE, I will welcome it!
(ii) Silva licenses it's re-recordings to events and broadcasters - a healthy stream of income, I've heard (please correct me if I'm wrong) - so by issuing re-recordings of pieces, they've in fact put themselves in a position to make money from production-oriented clients;

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Originally posted by franz_conrad:
Two reasons:
(i)Silva ISN'T doing this... it's a solo TADLOW project.

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That said, Silva needs to either shape up or go down in flames. Though if I & others keep buying their schlock I suppose that isn't going to happen any time soon.

Meanwhile, Dinko's reply to Franz is on the money. Who cares if it's Silva or not. You either reach for perfection or you don't. Look, I'm even down on darlings like Gerhardt & Stromberg, so you can imagine what I think of anyone who records with the Prague.

I love this score. So 6 months from now I'm going to pick it up, listen to 40 minutes or wrong tempi and misnoting and performers who are playing from their sickbeds and I'm going to scream so loud that the next county will wonder if Godzilla is about and I'm going to throw that CD at the wall so hard it becomes immbedded.

If I already know this to be true, everyone should not bother with wasting all the time, money, and effort involved and re-think this whole thing.

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Originally posted by Dinko:
The end results being the same, frankly, who the hell cares?

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Well, for one SILVA and TADLOW. James Fitzpatrick at least deserves credit for taking on projects solo that Silva Screen wouldn't have.

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Meanwhile, Dinko's reply to Franz is on the money. Who cares if it's Silva or not. You either reach for perfection or you don't.

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Well, be that as it may, you were still wrong.

As usual, good sound quality and great liner notes by David Wishart.

Meanwhile, I wasn't thrilled with either Guns of Navarone or the Tiomkin 4-disc box. I suggest you go back and play the Guns original if you really want to hear it. I don't know what the re-record is but it isn't Guns.

I have to admit these things have been getting better in comparison with the earlier ones which are just unplayable. But it's still a case of close but no cigar.

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Originally posted by Lou Goldberg:
Meanwhile, I'm supposed to be thrilled that the producer wants this done so badly he's going to have a poor re-record made off site?

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I don't particularly care how you feel about it (especially after this post). If you look back above you'll see all I was doing was trying to correct a misconception.

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It's too easy to slam the people who complain as movie score purists and praise what these scum are doing.

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Scum?

I acknowledged that I was wrong about Silva sponsoring the thing. I'm ok with being corrected. The first I learned of this disc was from this post & I had no other information. Since Tadlow did a Silva disc, I figured this was one too. Actually, considering the producer, the conductor, and I presume again the orchestra, Dinko is right, it is a Silva album one step removed, even if not an official one. And even if it is a labor of love that they want to do despite Silva's financial misgivings about the project, these aren't the right people to take on such a project.

In the end, even if you are a stickler for the correct information (thank you), it really doesn't matter whether this is Silva, Tadlow, Ronco, or K-Tel. The results (pending a miracle from above) are already (sadly) predictable. Because unless these guys have had some kind of conversion, we already know what emerges from the talent involved. It's like DNA: the genes & breeding just aren't there to ever produce a prize cow.

I have to wish them well because they are putting Rozsa out at the world (though more likely they are inflicting us with it). Reconstructions by ear are a tough gig. Either you embellish (like Christopher Palmer) or you get something thin (like Philip Lane's reconstruction of Trapeze). If they had the actual score to work with they may have better luck but they don't & have to use the violin concerto which probably has a different orchestration to the film score version.

In any case, I can't imagine the results will be good. The problem is we're dealing with people who have a proven track record of not giving a shite about the end results. As long as they have something they can market to whoever consumes this fast food film music they seem to be ok with that.

Ok, I've talked about this this over & over & over. So, Ok, enjoy the stuff but I'm unlikely to get on the bandwagon.

And, I'm not interested in finding a polite way to complain. I'm angry at these SOBs. Hell Franz, scum is about the weakest term I've ever used to describe Silva & bad re-records and even this bothers you?! Well excuse me for bumping a chair in your snooty elite club library. Go visit a warzone sometime and see what real genteel debate between people is like. Polite, Jesus fu-cking H Christ! Search my posts for 6 years and you'll find me running out of language to use condemning these bastards. There aren't enough swear words in English to chew these guys out with--we need to expand & invent some more. Meanwhile I'll have to import them now like merde & putain & tu con.

But you do have to keep things in perspective. The only true Nazis we have around are Neo-Con & religious right politicians. When it comes to piss-poor "artists" like Whore-ner or tin-earred re-recordists like Silva, I still think they are completely offensive but at worse they are just wasting my time & money, not curtailing my actual freedom.

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Originally posted by firefox:
First of all, Barry's music is MUCH simpler and obvious than Rozsa's. Secondly, how do you know the reconstruction was good? You're just comparing the re-recording to the original recording heard on the soundtrack. You do NOT know what was written in the original music scores that couldn't be picked out on the soundtrack. Take-downs are NOT giving you what the composer wrote; they're only giving you what can be heard in the film, and only an approximation of that. When there is sound effects and dialogue, much of the time they're just GUESSING what the composer wrote! How'd you like to read a rewritten novel where every once in a while somebody "guesses" what words the author used in the original book?

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Sure, Barry's music is simpler. (I knew I should have written that in my original post. ) How do I know it's good? Umm I listen to it and it brings a certain level of satisfaction to my brain like Barry music typically does.

So, yes, it's pretty obvious to most of us that this recording is going to be an approximation of the score. Hopefully a good one. Nobody's going to force you or me to buy it if it sucks, though.

By the way, have you ever read the Bible?

And why is Lou talking like Silva's pumping out a Britney Spears album? Granted I've never heard the musicians in Prague play a note of Rozsa, and needless to say my hopes aren't very high about it. The most recent stuff of theirs I sampled were the new tracks on their most recent Herrmann compilation and I do have to say that they were pretty dreadful. Maybe "Private Lives" will be better, or maybe not.

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Originally posted by firefox:
...skip all the nonsense about menstrating women being unholy, Jesus losing his temper all the time...

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1) JL's question of rhetoric simply referred to the four gospels of the new testament, which are basically approximations of the same story told from 4 different backgrounds. Apply this to JL's notion of a score recorded by four different orchestras. Holy cow udders, that's it!

2) You've read both the bible AND the new testament? The new testament is a significant part of the bible, and to imply it is not part of it but separate from it, as you have, is a fundamental misunderstanding of the christian book. Logically then, whatever follows this kind of sentiment about the book has little worth.

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Originally posted by PeterK:
For the love of AllahGodMoeshaSacajawea, no more bible stuff here. It will be trashed.

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Cool! So there go all the Varese Club CD discussions with their religious following.

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Originally posted by Lou Goldberg:
Wasn't this topic about Miklos Rozsa at one point in time??

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You're wrong Lou.

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Originally posted by Lou Goldberg:
By the way, didn't you say something earlier about how you were going to shut up????

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I must admit, I was wrong about that.

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Originally posted by firefox:
>>>>By the way, have you ever read the Bible?

Where did THAT come from?

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Originally posted by PeterK:
For the love of AllahGodMoeshaSacajawea, no more bible stuff here. It will be trashed.

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I have no comment on that. I will pass on the politics too.

As far as Silva recordings go, I love em. Of all scores cds I have, the various composer compilations are some of the few that I have actually kept hard copies on disc.

Some people can't stand them and they seem to associate them with the world's famous Ford Thaxton, even though I haven't seen his name credited on a silva screen release in 7 years.