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    Topic:   The "Best" score of the year....so far?

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    Every year, I make a compilation of "best cues" from the new film scores I've had a chance to hear usually compiled as I hear and review a disc. It's not uncommon to hear musical similarities between scores for films released in a given part of the year.

    So far, the one score that seems to stand out has been Lalo Schifrin's "Abominable" (and this is a stretch since the film is technically from last year). Every time I hear music from it, I have to check to see who wrote the music.

    Though not in the same class, Nathan Barr's score to "Hostel" is also one of those times when the music is certainly better than the film for which it was written. And my guess is it will not make my final top ten cut for the year.



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    posted 07-09-2006 01:49 PM PT (US)     

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    For me my favorites are "V For Vendetta" and despite the mediocreness of the movie I really enjoyed the "X-Men: The Last Stand" score as well. I do like Schiffrins "Abominable" but nowehre near the previous mentioned..But hey, there are still 5 months excluding July for me to find more favorites of the year..

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    posted 07-09-2006 02:54 PM PT (US)     

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    My favorite has been X3 by far.

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    posted 07-09-2006 04:52 PM PT (US)     

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    Hmmm, I really do like X3 (although I did have about a week of absolutely hating the anvil percussion, I've gotten over myself) and Zimmer's The DaVinci Code. If we were saying favorite composers with some outstanding work this year, my vote goes to Marco Beltrami. Between The Three Buriels of Melquiades Estrada (recorded last year, however, but released in the Winter), Underworld: Evolution, and The Omen I'd say he's made me a happy Beltrami-camper; especially after he didn't get any releases last year (I have a feeling someday someone will put up those re-use fees on xXx 2 or Red-Eye).

    Also of tremendous note is Howard Shore's SUN: Soul of the Ultimate Nation. Although not as thematically-existing as his LotR scores, it's still worth every listen I put that disc through (and still continue to do. Here's a list of what I've bought this year from best to most mediocre (thankfully I haven't bought anything too sh!tty this year).

    1. THE OMEN - Beltrami
    2. THE DAVINCI CODE - Zimmer
    3. UNDERWORLD: EVOLUTION - Beltrami
    4. X-MEN: THE LAST STAND - Powell
    5. THE PROPOSITION - Cave & Ellis
    6. SOUL OF THE ULTIMATE NATION - Shore
    7. THE NEW WORLD - Horner
    8. LOST - Giacchino
    9. V FOR VENDETTA - Marianelli
    10. BRICK - Johnson
    11. FIREWALL - Desplat
    12. THE THREE BURIELS OF MELQUIADES ESTRADA - Beltrami
    13. PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: DEAD MAN'S CHEST - Zimmer
    14. THE FAST AND THE FURIOUS: TOKYO DRIFT - Tyler

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    posted 07-09-2006 05:40 PM PT (US)     

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    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by nuts_score:
    Hmmm, I really do like X3 (although I did have about a week of absolutely hating the anvil percussion, I've gotten over myself) and Zimmer's The DaVinci Code. If we were saying favorite composers with some outstanding work this year, my vote goes to Marco Beltrami. Between The Three Buriels of Melquiades Estrada (recorded last year, however, but released in the Winter), Underworld: Evolution, and The Omen I'd say he's made me a happy Beltrami-camper; especially after he didn't get any releases last year (I have a feeling someday someone will put up those re-use fees on xXx 2 or Red-Eye).

    Also of tremendous note is Howard Shore's SUN: Soul of the Ultimate Nation. Although not as thematically-existing as his LotR scores, it's still worth every listen I put that disc through (and still continue to do. Here's a list of what I've bought this year from best to most mediocre (thankfully I haven't bought anything too sh!tty this year).
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    Hey Nutso I'm suprised to see Omen so far up on your list. Everywhere I go, except this site, all I see is people trashing it. I haven't gotten a listen in of it yet, but I've had it for..a couple of weeks. Also, Beltrami is awesome and I have to check out that Three Burials score. Beltrami's score for Hellboy is one of my favorite scores (although unfortunately there's an annoying clicking sound that is always heard whenever the music gets loud..a real shame,) with such beautiful and catchie themes at the same time. You say the Underworld Evolution score is good? I wanted to pick it up..but heard very little about it from any of you so I figured I'd wait. I can tell you one thing about it, I can't stand the track titles. =P And to continue inyour fashion..here is what I have bought this year in a list as well!

    1. V for Vendetta
    2. X-Men: Last Stand
    3. Da Vinci Code
    4. Mission Impossible III
    5. Abominable (Released this year, as explained earlier..)
    6. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (I'm torn on this one..I love some of it, but hate other parts of it..but it's not the worst I've gotten this year.)
    7. Lost (I was disappointed..It seemed like a lot of the action music was left off.)
    8. Poseidon

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    posted 07-09-2006 05:53 PM PT (US)     

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    Tread lightly Bagtatta, I'm a tremendous Beltrami fan; and I hadn't heard anything fresh from him (on album) in over a year. Imagine having oodles and oodles of sex with your girlfriend; all of the sudden, she dumps you and you can't get another date for a year.

    But yeah, I recommend all of Beltrami's stuff this year. :P

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    posted 07-09-2006 06:18 PM PT (US)     

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    Beltrami's music for "3 Burials" was interesting work...more Morricone with a twist. Almost forgot about that one...

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    posted 07-09-2006 06:44 PM PT (US)     

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    Here are my faves so far:

    Firewall (Alexandre Desplat)
    Nanny McPhee (Patrick Doyle)
    Inside Man (Terence Blanchard)
    V for Vendetta (Dario Marianelli)
    Ice Age: the Meltdown (John Powell)
    (The) Wild (Alan Silvestri)
    X-Men: the Last Stand (John Powell)
    Nacho Libre (Danny Elfman...let us pray for a release)

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    posted 07-09-2006 06:47 PM PT (US)     

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    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by nuts_score:
    Tread lightly Bagtatta, I'm a tremendous Beltrami fan; and I hadn't heard anything fresh from him (on album) in over a year. Imagine having oodles and oodles of sex with your girlfriend; all of the sudden, she dumps you and you can't get another date for a year.

    But yeah, I recommend all of Beltrami's stuff this year. :P

    [Message edited by nuts_score on 07-09-2006]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

    What's weird is how good that analogy works...I will definately look into Underworld: Evolution now.

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    posted 07-09-2006 07:08 PM PT (US)     

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    Baggers, I won't make weird analogies unless they absolutely work.

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    posted 07-09-2006 08:13 PM PT (US)     

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    BSG Season 2 is up there for me, although I haven't listen to too many recent scores lately.

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    posted 07-09-2006 09:24 PM PT (US)     

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    I kinda forgot about The Da Vinci Code. Ha. I'd say it's a close second to X Men: The Last Stand.


    ....The Fast & The Furious: Tokyo Drift is a guilty pleasure for me.

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    posted 07-09-2006 09:41 PM PT (US)     

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    Tokyo Drift is the only one this year I'd at least consider bringing to a desert island.

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    posted 07-10-2006 07:24 AM PT (US)     

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    Stargate: Thank you for not forgetting Battlestar Galactica! Its easily the best score this year, thus far, and will probably only be out-done by Bear McCreary's own season 3 music this fall. Also highly anticipated, IMO, is Goldsmith's season 3 score to Stargate Atlantis (July 14 isn't coming soon enough)!

    The year so far...

    01. BATTLESTAR GALACTICA: SEASON TWO - McCreary
    02. THE DA VINCI CODE - Zimmer
    03. LOST - Giacchino
    04. INSIDE MAN - Blanchard
    05. SUPERMAN RETURNS - Ottman / Williams
    06. PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: DEAD MAN'S CHEST - Zimmer
    07. THE OMEN - Beltrami
    08. V FOR VENDETTA - Marianelli
    09. X-MEN: THE LAST STAND - Powell
    10. M:I—3 - Giacchino

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    posted 07-10-2006 10:34 AM PT (US)     

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    My favorites have been:

    Superman, Pirates, X-Men, Da Vinci, M:I:3 and V for Vendetta.

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    posted 07-10-2006 11:59 AM PT (US)     

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    I'm still waiting...

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    posted 07-10-2006 01:45 PM PT (US)     

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    Well, here is my top five:

    1. BSG Season 2
    2. X-Men 3
    3. DaVinci Code
    4. The Promise
    5. Superman Returns

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    posted 07-10-2006 02:46 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Mark Olivarez:
    I'm still waiting...

    The question was for the "best" score of the year. Not a "good" score of the year.

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    posted 07-10-2006 02:55 PM PT (US)     

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    LOL, Dinko. I'm with Mark. I'm still waiting too.

    NP Open Range

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    posted 07-10-2006 03:43 PM PT (US)     

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    So far I like MI3 and X Men 3. Lost has some good stuff too. I'm surprised to see people mentioning Battle Star Gallactica since it's a lot of boring thumping and ethnic noodling. Maybe people like it because McCreary is a young film music fan and a sci-fi nerd. If Richard Gibbs had continued writing for the show it'd sound exactly like this and no one would care about it because he's Richard Gibbs.

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    posted 07-10-2006 05:35 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by sketch:
    I'm surprised to see people mentioning Battle Star Gallactica since it's a lot of boring thumping and ethnic noodling. Maybe people like it because McCreary is a young film music fan and a sci-fi nerd. If Richard Gibbs had continued writing for the show it'd sound exactly like this and no one would care about it because he's Richard Gibbs.]

    Oh, WOW! That's informative. I don't want to call you stupid, but there's definitely something wrong with your posts; but that's not all that surprising.

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    posted 07-10-2006 05:51 PM PT (US)     

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    Dinko, I love that comment! I was kind of thinking the same thing as I read comments...though there are a lot of scores on there that I've heard or have on my "get list". It's always interesting to see how many genre films in the action or sci-fi area make it here.

    NP: Chitty Chitty Bang Bang (Shermans score)--reliving my childhood before my midlife crisis

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    posted 07-10-2006 05:53 PM PT (US)     

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    Volver (Alberto Iglesias) and Fragile (Roque Banos) are, by a few miles, the greatest scores of the year so far. Neither score has had a US release yet, I had to import my copies (at about $25 each), but they are both incredible works.

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    posted 07-10-2006 08:07 PM PT (US)     

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    Those are definitely worth seeking out.

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    posted 07-10-2006 08:28 PM PT (US)     

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    >>
    Oh, WOW! That's informative. I don't want to call you stupid, but there's definitely something wrong with your posts; but that's not all that surprising.<<

    Heck, you can call me stupid if you want Seany! You don't have to be afraid. Maybe it's true. But hey, I'm not the one who thinks Bear McCreary is the future of good film music. Look out composers. Here comes Bear!


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    posted 07-10-2006 08:53 PM PT (US)     

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    sketch, I'm not afraid to call you stupid, I just don't want the thread to dwindle into that territory.

    You so clearly have no idea what you're talking about, though, with Battlestar Galactica; you wouldn't (from what you've shown) be able to comment seriously or give a good level of criticsm of the score: "boring thumping" means nothing.

    Yeah, you're new, so sharpen your skills a little better when you try and slam a score you don't even know. Or better yet, don't even comment on it, because you have no clue what you're talking about.

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    posted 07-10-2006 10:04 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by sketch:
    I'm surprised to see people mentioning Battle Star Gallactica since it's a lot of boring thumping and ethnic noodling. Maybe people like it because McCreary is a young film music fan and a sci-fi nerd. If Richard Gibbs had continued writing for the show it'd sound exactly like this and no one would care about it because he's Richard Gibbs.

    [Message edited by sketch on 07-10-2006]


    Sketch, I'm wondering if you've actually heard any cues from either season of BSG? Because your arguement lacks a little thing known as validity. You need MP3 samples?


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    posted 07-10-2006 10:28 PM PT (US)     

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    Sean what is with you? Do you lack the ability to have a convo without making some sort of insult or creating an arguement? I swear it seems like half the posts I read from you you're bashing someone or creating some sort of argument, (argument..not a "healthy" debate.) At least try to carry the convo inelligently like nutso does and question his opinion, don't just slam his opinion. Nothing against you but seriously what's your problem?

    Just so that I don't completely stray the topic. After checking the new release list on this wonderful site there didn't seem to many scores that could enter the "best score of the year" category..though they may. Who knows!

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    posted 07-11-2006 12:01 AM PT (US)     

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    >>
    You so clearly have no idea what you're talking about, though, with Battlestar Galactica; you wouldn't (from what you've shown) be able to comment seriously or give a good level of criticsm of the score: "boring thumping" means nothing.<<

    Wow, you've cut me to the quick Sean! Watch this, I'm going to discredit your argument: "Boring thumping" means EVERYTHING. This approach to the action music was demanded by the producers of the show (who hate film music) and is the lowest common demonator of film scoring. The easiest possible way out. Anyone could write this music, even you. Bear knows this but has played it smart and is running with the notion that he's somehow reinventing the wheel by writing music that takes no talent whatsoever to write.

    >>Yeah, you're new, so sharpen your skills a little better when you try and slam a score you don't even know. Or better yet, don't even comment on it, because you have no clue what you're talking about.<<

    I'm not new. I've been listening to movie music for around 30 years longer than you have.

    Boring thumping.


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    posted 07-11-2006 12:05 AM PT (US)     

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    >>Sketch, I'm wondering if you've actually heard any cues from either season of BSG? Because your arguement lacks a little thing known as validity. You need MP3 samples?<<

    No, I've seen several episodes and whenever the spaceships fly around I hear the same monotonous percussion writing. It's so monotonous that after awhile you can pretend it's not there, so it doesn't actually hurt the show. But it's nothing I'd ever want to hear on its own.



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    posted 07-11-2006 12:08 AM PT (US)     

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    Sketch, maybe you should check out the CD. Not to invade the argument (like I haven't already,) but chances are they will argue that you haven't heard the CD so you can't criticize. Which you probably should listen to the CD and check it out just for chance. Even if you don't like it you never know. It may suprise you. But I do understand where you are coming from with hearing it on the T.V.

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    posted 07-11-2006 12:09 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by sketch:

    No, I've seen several episodes and whenever the spaceships fly around I hear the same monotonous percussion writing. It's so monotonous that after awhile you can pretend it's not there, so it doesn't actually hurt the show. But it's nothing I'd ever want to hear on its own.


    Well, don't discredit what you hear on the TV; keep in mind the sound mix and the fact that many television shows (especially on a cable network like Sci-Fi) drown out there score with the other elements of the mix (i.e. a ship's boosters, gunfire, explosions, etc.). BSG can be guilty of this, but when the more human-and-character-driven elements of the show come about, the music really shines and there are some wonderful motifs to be found. I'd be happy to send you a few MP3 files through e-mail if you're curious. Just please, don't write it off so easily.

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    posted 07-11-2006 12:20 AM PT (US)     

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    >>BSG can be guilty of this, but when the more human-and-character-driven elements of the show come about, the music really shines and there are some wonderful motifs to be found. I'd be happy to send you a few MP3 files through e-mail if you're curious. Just please, don't write it off so easily.<<

    Point taken. I will keep an ear out for the quieter stuff.



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    posted 07-11-2006 09:24 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by sean:
    Also highly anticipated, IMO, is Goldsmith's season 3 score to Stargate Atlantis (July 14 isn't coming soon enough)!

    Why? Is the score going to be released?

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    posted 07-11-2006 10:15 AM PT (US)     

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    O.K., Bagtatta, you've got a point, I am being a bit too aggressive... sketch's "criticism" of Battlestar Galactica (he couldn't even spell it correctly: "Battle Star Gallactica") is so far off the mark and his words comes off like a bad dig at the few people who actually listed that score among their favourites (3 people, I believe, including myself): the music has "lot of boring thumping and ethnic noodling"; Bear "McCreary is a young film music fan and a sci-fi nerd"; and, "If Richard Gibbs had continued writing for the show it'd sound exactly like this and no one would care about it because he's Richard Gibbs."

    Bagtatta, its clear from those comments (the music is "boring"; McCreary doesn't even rate as a composer; Richard Gibbs sucks; and later he even slams percussionists: "Anyone could write this music, even you... writing music that takes no talent whatsoever to write.") that he isn't fishing for any sort of constructive conversation over the merits of the music on Battlestar Galactica. You're right, though, maybe I shouldn't have responded to him in kind, the way I did, and should have took a more measured approach. As for your comment on nuts_score: more often than not, I'll write what he'd like to for individuals like sketch, but doesn't because I'm there to do so, uncaring and unafraid of what people like yourself think of my comments. But you see, I think you have a point, and I love the music from Battlestar Galactica, so I'm willing to defend it seriously.

    sketch, I think you should check out the CDs for seasons 1 and 2 before commenting on the score the way you have; if "boring thumping" and "ethnic noodling" is what you've heard on the "several" episodes you've seen, than you haven't watched the best of them. From season 2, Home Part 2 (207) "Allegro," Pegasus (210), Resurrection Ship Parts 1 & 2 (211 and 212), and Scar (215) all have fully orchestral elements and standalone pieces, with the Pegasus / Resurrection Ship arc dominated by orchestra over the scenes "whenever the spaceships fly around" (your words) for the massive and visually/musically impressive "Battle For Resurrection" and "Galactica Attacks" sequences: on the season 2 disc you can find this stunner on track 17, "Prelude To War." Also, "Escape From The Farm" (The Farm [205]) and "Martial Law" (Fragged [203]) both have well integrated orchestral elements, strings for "Escape..." and brass for "Martial Law," over the percussive drive of those cues, though its an orchestral drive in the latter piece concluded with a percussive statement. And on season 1, you can find a handful more: with music like "The Shape Of Things To Come" (rightfully dedicated to McCreary's mentor, Elmer Bernstein) and the beautiful opener to Kobol's Last Gleaming (112), "Passacaglia." This is all just skimming the surface, but briefly those are some of the strongest pieces to be had from the show.

    Just to clear up a few inaccuracies with one of your posts, sketch:

    The musical approach to the show was pushed for by the 2003 Mini Series (and the show's best) director, Michael Rymer, and not the producers, Ronald D. Moore and David Eick; they may have wished it to continue, which it has, and gone further, to greener pastures. Also, Richard Gibbs did score two episodes from season 1, Water (102) and Bastille Day (103), so his music went beyond the Mini Series. And where-o-where did you get the idea that Ron Moore and David Eick "hate film music"? That doesn't make sense, since their own commentary and praise of not only McCreary's score, but film music generally, says otherwise. (One easy test for this is to listen to Ronald D. Moore and Brannon Braga discuss Jerry Goldsmith on their audio commentary for Star Trek: First Contact; another great film and score! Or any number of the podcasts for BSG, available on iTunes, or from the official Sci Fi Channel website.) That's pure conjecture on your part: so, please, clear that one up.

    nuts_score, I would argue against your comments on the sound mix given to shows like Battlestar Galactica, or other Sci Fi Channel programming (like Joel Goldsmith's music on Stargate Atlantis). BSG has a consistently loud mix where the music is concerned, cutting through the muted sound effects the show is given for its "quiet" space sequences. Some episodes, like The Captain's Hand (217), for example, could have used a bit of a boost in volume where the music is concerned (especially for the awesome "The Pegasus Jumps" battle sequence), but more often than not McCreary's music is given the limelight. But compared to DVD, TV loses in both picture and sound quality.

    sketch, I'm willing to lay down my burdens, and I too will offer you some MP3 samples via AIM or MSN; your choice, and I hope you take the offer, given your jump to an unfounded and inaccurate conclusion on not only the score, but the showrunners, as well.

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    posted 07-11-2006 10:18 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Kris:
    Why? Is the score going to be released?

    Most likely. Goldsmith is planning several Stargate releases, from both SG-1 and Atlantis.


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    posted 07-11-2006 10:20 AM PT (US)     

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    Now, after a few more listenings I'm finally seeing what TJ and Dinko are talking about with Tokyo Drift; it's quite a surprise when you get into the music (though I wish the ascending string motif found in the middle of "The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift" and - in all its glory - "Symphonic Touge" was more prominent on the album). So replace Three Buriels with Tokyo Drift and move PotC 2 to the bottom spot.

    Also, I can't find Superman Returns ANYWHERE in the Atlanta area. Is there an anti-ATL contract that Rhino Records has?! :O

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    posted 07-11-2006 11:03 AM PT (US)     

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    Yes, nutso. The music industry will pull out of ATL completely by the end of the year, thanks to those brilliant thiefs at Coca-Cola. Even with all the security cams in place, Atlanteans steal like no tomorrow. With music, once it's stolen, it's stolen.

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    posted 07-11-2006 11:06 AM PT (US)     

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    I have to check out F&F and Battlestar now. I've had them Dled for a little now since I had no interested in seeing the movie, nor' do I watch the TV series and I didn't know what to expect. Hopefully I'll enjoy them which will lead to me purchasing them. On another note..I think we can all agree that Posedion is one of the worst scores of the year..

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    posted 07-11-2006 01:59 PM PT (US)     

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    Oh look, a review!
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    For the most part, the music is formed on a synthetic base, with live elements dancing around on top - guitars, duduk, wailing female vocals - Dead Can Dance for outer space, perhaps. It's all been done countless times before (though not for televised science fiction, I must admit) and I'm sure you already know whether you'll like it or not.
    http://www.movie-wave.net/titles/battlestar_galactica2.html

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