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sean

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Wicked film! Perhaps a little too long, but its a very strong effort from Spike Lee, much like 25th Hour; and the score by Terence Blanchard is amazing. I wonder if that Talvin Singh-like electronic music cue for the main title is Blanchard's? It's very good and an interesting choice of music. A lot of the score is actually Bond-like for the bank heist sequences and the outdoor stand-off with the NYPD.So, let me get this straight: Crimson Tide and Serenity have to negotiate the release of hostages that Croupier is keeping inside a bank owned by Star Trek VI, who's hiding something mysterious in the vault and hires Flightplan to retrieve it for him; meanwhile, Green Goblin and his SWAT team are just itching to storm the place before King Arthur has the last laugh.
I think that about sums it up.
[Message edited by sean on 03-26-2006]
posted 03-26-2006 12:02 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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LOLIt was a fun movie. I enjoyed it very much.
--Brian
posted 03-26-2006 12:55 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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I thought there were one or two places where the underscore was a little too loud and dramatic to fit the visuals, but overall, I thought Blanchard's music was very good. It had a unique sound. On the other hand, someone tell me the purpose of the song used during the opening credits. Sorry, I just don't get how that song laid some kind of realistic foundation for the movie. If I hadn't known what the movie was about, I would have thought from the title song that the movie would be about Calypso dancing. I didn't get the relevancy of that particular piece.NP My Dog Skip
posted 03-27-2006 10:12 AM PT (US) 
sean

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quote:
Originally posted by joan hue:
If I hadn't known what the movie was about, I would have thought from the title song that the movie would be about Calypso dancing. I didn't get the relevancy of that particular piece.I assume it has to do with the Sikh character who gets it rough from the seemingly racist NYPD. But where did you get "Calypso" from? It sounds nothing like that. Watch 25th Hour, Blanchard's 9/11 theme for the opening credits really has nothing to do with the Edward Norton story-thread in the film, and so it could potentially be for any number of other films, just like The Inside Man. Bottom line: the main credits music was awesome and driving, and it's exactly what that sequence needed; it had me interested in it right off the bat simply because it was such an interesting choice of music.
As for volume, I thought it was great how loud the score was mixed in. Especially, in this day in age when many scores just simply take the back-seat in a film, again, like 25th Hour the music played a huge role. Did anyone catch the brilliant use of Jerry Goldsmith's theme from Patton in the score!?!
posted 03-27-2006 11:47 AM PT (US) 
joan hue

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Yeah, I did hear Goldsmith's music. It was effective. I got Calypso from the rhythms of the song, or I also visualized modern Africa. I was just the opposite of you, Sean. I found the song irritating because it was not relevant to the movie at all. The one East Indian character was in the movie for about 5 minutes, and I don't see how the song portrayed him. For me, music, whether underscore or song, should serve a purpose. Just my humble opinion.
posted 03-27-2006 12:01 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

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The Bollywood song has a lot of people wondering why in particular it was used. I think the best answer would come directly from Spike Lee since so many people notice it, yet are left confused by its usage.Interesting developments on the OSTinfo Inside Man soundtrack page.
posted 03-27-2006 01:45 PM PT (US) 
Thor

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Then how do you see the "Calypso"-type theme in something like BADLANDS, Joan? What is purpose of that there?(P.S. I have not seen this movie or heard its score. I'm just going by the descriptions here).
posted 03-27-2006 01:45 PM PT (US) 
BigT1981

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You know Sean next time you could have put 'Spoiler' in your post...for those of us who have not seen the movie yet...
posted 03-27-2006 01:51 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

FishChip

I believe the Badlands example you provide is a theme, not a song. I would argue that a theme works fine because themes evoke certain emotional responses that do not necessarily have anything to do with the specifics of plot. Songs, on the other hand, have lyrics that can (and more often than not) act as plot devices. The one used in Inside Man has very little obvious connection to the film;s story. Because it's the opening song, one would think the song is laying some sort of plot or character foundation, but, and again, on the obvious level it is not.But then again maybe there is a plot- or character-related reason it is used... a lot of people are curious to know.
posted 03-27-2006 01:55 PM PT (US) 
sean

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quote:
Originally posted by joan hue:
Yeah, I did hear Goldsmith's music. It was effective. I got Calypso from the rhythms of the song, or I also visualized modern Africa. I was just the opposite of you, Sean. I found the song irritating because it was not relevant to the movie at all. The one East Indian character was in the movie for about 5 minutes, and I don't see how the song portrayed him. For me, music, whether underscore or song, should serve a purpose. Just my humble opinion.Interesting. I found the song cool because it reminded me of one of my favourite artists, Talvin Singh. Other than it being an awesome opening track, the only other parallel I could draw to the movie is the Sikh character, however remote that might be. I'm sure Spike Lee will discuss it on the eventual DVD commentary track. And it does serve the picture, since Terence Blanchard did have a hand in writing the cue, according the CD notes; I just recieved this one in the mail and it's an awesome listen.
It's probably just a matter of opinion, since we could take something like The New World and complain about the use of Wagner's opera music and argue about how it in no way pertains to American Indians and the first British colonists in North America; but that's ridiculous, because the music works great, no matter what lyrics or meaning it has behind it. I think for Inside Man it just drives the visuals, and that's a good enough reason for me.
I'm still confused how you envisioned Africa with the music, though. It's defnitely got the Bollywood feel to it, if anything.
posted 03-27-2006 02:01 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

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Thor, haven't seen Badlands so I can't comment. Sean, as a stand alone song, I would like it. It has an attraction. Its use in the movie evades me; however, I agree with you that it has more of a Bollywood sound than African.
posted 03-27-2006 02:41 PM PT (US) 
franz_conrad

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quote:
Originally posted by PeterK:
Songs, on the other hand, have lyrics that can (and more often than not) act as plot devices. The one used in Inside Man has very little obvious connection to the film's story.I haven't seen the offending film yet, but I reckon that songs with relevant lyrics can be way too on-the-nose. Better to use something where people wonder for days why it was used...

posted 03-27-2006 04:26 PM PT (US) 
franz_conrad

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Revising my earlier opinion... my girlfriend, whose musical taste is excellent, said she thought the opening credits of this one were way off in terms of their music.Oh well...
posted 03-28-2006 04:10 PM PT (US) 
sean

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quote:
Originally posted by franz_conrad:
Revising my earlier opinion... my girlfriend, whose musical taste is excellent, said she thought the opening credits of this one were way off in terms of their music.Oh well...
Yeah, oh well she's wrong.
posted 03-28-2006 10:54 PM PT (US) 
big steve

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Really good and smart genre film making! Too bad the score for INSIDE MAN wasn't as good as the film. Serviceable to be sure, but the Bollywood song was more memorable than the score. Remember the time when you would walk out of a film and the only thing on your mind was ..."I gotta have that score, and screw the price!"BASIC INSTINCT, AIR FORCE ONE, SUPERMAN, STAR WARS, WYATT EARP, SILVERADO, almost any BARRY James Bond score?! The list goes on, and I challenge anybody on this board to come up with 5 must haves new scores over the last two years! Defined as above, where the price was of no object, or concern.
posted 03-28-2006 11:43 PM PT (US) 
franz_conrad

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quote:
Originally posted by sean:
Yeah, oh well she's wrong.I haven't seen it, but this is a woman whose never walked out of a movie in her life, and she walked out of this film about a quarter of the way through. So something about the film as a whole put her off.
posted 03-30-2006 03:04 PM PT (US) 
sean

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quote:
Originally posted by franz_conrad:
I haven't seen it, but this is a woman whose never walked out of a movie in her life, and she walked out of this film about a quarter of the way through. So something about the film as a whole put her off.Unless it's Spike Lee's She Hate Me, than it's pretty insane your friend would walk out of something cool like Inside Man. It's a very-well made film; why don't you go find out for yourself? It's always the best bet, since even the best of friends can be wrong.
posted 03-30-2006 10:30 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
