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pjhackman Non-Standard Userer	YAH, though I think Geisha was a better score, but that mountain score grew on me.
posted 03-05-2006 07:53 PM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Standard Userer	Once again the academy shows their ignorance of film music. Yes the film is good but I'm sorry the score is bland.
posted 03-05-2006 08:44 PM PT (US)

sakman Standard Userer	Giorgio who?
posted 03-05-2006 08:55 PM PT (US)

SPQR Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Mark Olivarez: Yes the film is good but I'm sorry the score is bland. BUT obviously not as bland as Geisha and Munich.
posted 03-05-2006 09:07 PM PT (US)

joan hue Standard Userer	Great movie, but I too found the score bland.
posted 03-05-2006 09:12 PM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	Yuo're al ignoran.t Obviously, yu sillly fanboys/grils, the Akademy knowz bether dan you do! Composers vote and combosers should know bether than you. IMHO fo curose, Dinko A. Fanboy Seriously though, I know this gets said every time, but why do any of us still care who wins or not? I don't see how it matters in one way or another anymore.
posted 03-05-2006 09:53 PM PT (US)

rkeaveney Standard Userer	Nominee for worst score: that drivel that played under the winner's speeches. WTF was that!?!?! Ryan
posted 03-05-2006 09:58 PM PT (US)

Al Standard Userer	Especially that softcore sax music underneath the Crash screenwriter speeches. The bit with the lady smashing her viola over Tom Hanks' head was the best part of the show.
posted 03-05-2006 10:37 PM PT (US)

Hector J. Guzman Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Al: Especially that softcore sax music underneath the Crash screenwriter speeches. The bit with the lady smashing her viola over Tom Hanks' head was the best part of the show. You're right, the show kinda crappy. And it's a shame Williams lost with one of his finest scores in the 2000s.
posted 03-05-2006 10:54 PM PT (US)

sakman Standard Userer	Can anyone seeing Varese, Jr. releasing the "complete" score to "Brokeback Mountain" with unused cuts, in say 2045?
posted 03-06-2006 07:49 AM PT (US)

filmfactsman Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sakman: Can anyone seeing Varese, Jr. releasing the "complete" score to "Brokeback Mountain" with unused cuts, in say 2045? I did get a "complete" score with 22 cuts (no vocals) from the Academy "For Your Consideration" package of CDs I received. I hate to disappoint everyone but it was wonderful (it grew on me, too) whereas I found Williams' MUNICH score a reworking of GLADIATOR. "You know it's hard out here for a wimp. . ."
posted 03-06-2006 01:48 PM PT (US)

Quill Standard Userer	It was a consolation prize...that's it. Kinda like Il Postino back in 1995.
posted 03-06-2006 01:49 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	quote: Originally posted by Quill: It was a consolation prize...that's it. Interesting concept.... Is this how it goes? On the ballot for best picture: "If your selection for Best Picture does not win, please check here to cast your vote for the film's original score as consolation prize." This phenomenon might explain all those unexplained or unbelievable Oscar score winners.... you know, the kind where Best Picture nominee Midnight Express loses the big one, but beats out Boys from Brazil or Superman for best scoring. Barf.
posted 03-06-2006 02:33 PM PT (US)

Kris Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sakman: Giorgio who? Don't you mean Gustavo who? His name is Gustavo Santaolalla.
posted 03-07-2006 12:41 AM PT (US)

filmfactsman Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by PeterK: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Quill: [b]It was a consolation prize...that's it.<HR size=1></blockquote> Interesting concept.... Is this how it goes? On the ballot for best picture: "If your selection for Best Picture does not win, please check here to cast your vote for the film's original score as consolation prize." This phenomenon might explain all those unexplained or unbelievable Oscar score winners.... you know, the kind where Best Picture nominee Midnight Express loses the big one, but beats out Boys from Brazil or Superman for best scoring. Barf.[/B] It goes both ways sometimes. Remember that TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD, CLEOPATRA, HOW THE WEST WAS WON, BECKET, THE SAND PEBBLES, WHO'S AFRAID OF VIRGINIA WOOLF?, CHINATOWN and TAXI DRIVER were up for both Best Picture and Score. Neither won. (How DID John Addison manage to win for TOM JONES in '63 anyway?!)
posted 03-07-2006 09:29 AM PT (US)

James Phillips Standard Userer	Sounds like a one trick pony to me.
posted 03-08-2006 06:14 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	Munich sounds like gladiator? I gotta check it out!
posted 03-08-2006 10:22 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by filmfactsman: I did get a "complete" score with 22 cuts (no vocals) from the Academy "For Your Consideration" package of CDs I received. I hate to disappoint everyone but it was wonderful (it grew on me, too) whereas I found Williams' MUNICH score a reworking of GLADIATOR. I would love hear more of the BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN score if it was possible. If you would be interested in trading a CDR, could you email me: mclennan.michael@gmail.com
posted 03-08-2006 10:41 PM PT (US)

sakman Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Kris: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by sakman: [b]Giorgio who?<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> Don't you mean Gustavo who? His name is Gustavo Santaolalla.[/B] Ah, it was a poor attempt at historical irony.
posted 03-09-2006 07:22 AM PT (US)

Scorro Standard Userer	the "Songs Inspired by Brokeback Mountain" CD will be released soon.
posted 03-09-2006 10:09 AM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	quote: whereas I found Williams' MUNICH score a reworking of GLADIATOR. ...
posted 03-10-2006 03:53 PM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	Now I have to ask. I saw Memoirs of a Geisha, Chronicles of Narnia and Brokebback Mountain on the same day. While Santaolalla's score served its purpose, I fail to see what made it the better score. It wasn't even a good one. It was a monothematic, somewhat bland and repetitive, shallow underscore which fit the scenes it was meant for and nothing more. HGW's Narnia score probably fit its movie the best; it was varied and memorable enough. Williams' I found to ultimately be the better of the three. Granted, Narnia was not nominated. But as much as I don't give a rat's *** as to who wins it or not, I'm still curious as to what type of nonsense goes into the decision making. I'm sorry but (Lou, winkwink) I would have a hard time imagining Geisha or Narnia without their respective musical scores. I'm pretty sure Brokeback would have worked exactly the same way without original underscore. So what makes generic underscore deserving of an (arguably overrated) award?
posted 04-18-2006 11:48 AM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	It all has to do with Filmfactsman's first post. Voting isn't based on how the music is actually used in the film. It's how it sounds on the "for your consideration" promo CD! That, and (of course) the "consolation prize" factor. These two things are the only logic behind the madness. I am surprised a score-only CD (or the 22 track score Academy promo) hasn't been announced for public release by now. The irony.
posted 04-18-2006 01:21 PM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	Actually I think the offical Academy Promo is now appearing on p2p networks IE: Slsk. That's probably why ROTS didn't get nominated. Well then again the Grammy and Oscar people don't give a **** about Star Wars and Lucas. I really wonder if the ROTS "For your consideration promo" was presented better with no cuts to certain cues then it might have made it.
posted 04-18-2006 01:50 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by PeterK: I am surprised a score-only CD (or the 22 track score Academy promo) hasn't been announced for public release by now. The irony. I've heard it... it would make a pretty boring album. Unfortunately, with the exception of about 6 minutes of material, the most interesting stuff is already on the album.
posted 04-18-2006 02:41 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by BigT1981: That's probably why ROTS didn't get nominated. Well then again the Grammy and Oscar people don't give a **** about Star Wars and Lucas. I really wonder if the ROTS "For your consideration promo" was presented better with no cuts to certain cues then it might have made it. I thought Williams didn't submit ROTS??? It seems to me that Santaolalla took the nomination that should have gone to Mychael Danna (for WATER, WHERE THE TRUTH LIES or CAPOTE) or Alexandre Desplat (SYRIANA).
posted 04-18-2006 02:43 PM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	It was up for nomination but it didn't get in because the Grammy and Oscars don't give a crap about Lucas or Star Wars. Their whole rule thing about re-using themes is pure crap too. Look a Return Of The King, there was a whole bunch of themes re-used in that score yet it took everything. rolls his eyes Anyways....
posted 04-18-2006 02:47 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	Amongst all the original and inspired scores Williams has written this year, ROTS was certainly the least likely to get a nomination, not because the Academy "doesn't give a crap", but because Williams' other scores were simply better. And nominating ROTS for anything else than Effects, Sound and Make- Up would have been the joke of the year. But it still wouldn't have been as pathetic as Santaolalla's "triumph". What the ... ? His Oscar was a punch in the face for pretty much anyone who has written a symphonic score last year. In my opinion, to win an OScar, you really have to outdo yourself and exceed even your own expectations, not record something that any composer could write on any given day.
posted 04-18-2006 05:58 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Standard Userer	Well I think now we all need to get our guitars out, pluck a few strings, repeat it over and over and over again through out a movie, and we all can get a little gold statue of a man. After seening this highly overrated movie, I have a few comments about the score. I like the theme. But is this even worthy of a nomination?! It was all very uneventful aside from one or two cues, and it just was regular twangy guitar country western music. Granted it fit the movie, but it wasn't complex or anything. Trevor Rabin could've done a better job! As a lot of you know, I am not a very huge Williams fan, but I am VERY dissapointed this year that he didn't win an oscar for either Munich or Memoirs. But it's even more upsetting, that Brokeback won for score. Completely undiserving. As for the movie itself, it was a nice love story. The pacing and directing wasn't so great, but Heath Ledger did a fine job. I think it got more recognition due to the subject matter than it probably diserved. Clayton
posted 04-18-2006 06:26 PM PT (US)

Bagtatta Non-Standard Userer	I watched Brokeback Mountain a couple of days ago and when I finished watching it one of the first things that came to my mind was:"Should've won best picture.." but the second one was "This should've also in NO WAY won Best score." The score is repetitive..and while watching it, I can't recall ONE time where the score stood out. All I remember is silence..a lot of silence in the movie, just talking. Was a real shame all the other composers lost to the guy who did Brokeback Mountain..I can't remember his name. I really don't think it should've won at all.
posted 04-18-2006 08:47 PM PT (US)

joan hue Standard Userer	I agree with Bagtatta. The movie should have won best motion picture; the score was forgettable. NP Nanny McPhee
posted 04-18-2006 10:16 PM PT (US)

filmfactsman Standard Userer	I saw an interview with Gustavo Santaolalla before his Oscar win where he admitted that he hadn't seen the film BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN when he composed the music. He had only read parts of the script. So there you are. Looking back, I would have probably changed my vote to Dario Marianelli for PRIDE & PREJUDICE. That was a score that fit the film like a velvet glove. But I was influenced by along with a lot of others by the "For Your Consideration" CD. They really work well, don't they?
posted 04-19-2006 09:03 AM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	The Academy should be taken to task for this.
posted 04-19-2006 10:25 AM PT (US)

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