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    Topic:   Straw Dogs, Boys Over Flowers, etc.

     Lou Goldberg
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    This is another post where I talk about the latest things I've seen & heard so I suspect it'll drop off the map soon without much comment...

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    I watched the Criterion DVD of Straw Dogs. Jerry Fielding's score really works wonders within that film. I have it on LP and it's neat music to listen to on its own, very low-key, but within the context of the film, it just supplies so much creepy, hidden subtext. If I were teaching a course on film & music, I'd use Straw Dogs to illustrate many things. It's amazing.

    The film is something that Hollywood wouldn't touch today. It's funny, we have R and NC-17 ratings and yet all that means is some cartoon violence and naked chicks, and yet, nothing really disturbing, nothing that really questions things comes out of the system. Everyone is to afraid of offending & losing an audience. Thank god Sam Peckinpah was a "bad boy".

    I'm sure he's burning in feminist hell for this one. The wife is raped, enjoys it, and for enjoying it gets punished by a 2nd rape from another guy and all the while you feel that she's getting just what she deserves because at heart she's such a nasty, betraying person despite her good looks. Sam indulges truths you don't want to know about yourself. You won't see that in a Spielberg film.

    But the movie is about a return to the primitive. The nicest & most civilized guy around winds up killing everybody in sight. All people in Peckinpah are potentially violent. Cronenberg was trying to say the same thing in A History of Violence, you don't have to look too far down the family tree to find some very snarled branches.

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    Boys Over Flowers is a 50-episode anime series from 1996. It's from Toei studios and even today all Toei anime seems to look as if they were drawn in the 60s. The series is perplexing: a high school student is accepted by the school's coolest best-looking rich kids because she's the only one with guts enough to talk back to them. And while we get a lot of voice-over to tell us she has her morals in the right place, she's emotionally torn over a number of guys, thinking of one while in the arms of another and then thinking of the 1st guy when making out with the 2nd. At one level, she seems critical of the elite, but at another she seems to enjoy hanging out with them and the wealth they have & power they exert. I suppose what is great about it is that it isn't cut & dried (just like Peckinpah), but has a lot of conflicting takes on things.

    The scoring is also perplexing: it sounds like it was composed & recorded in the 60s as well. They could be using stock library cues for all one can tell, reminding me of music for old TV super-hero cartoons from that era. The scoring is very over-the-top dramatic & romantic, really too much for these images, and it often swirls and pumps over shots of the characters just standing in static poses. It's also much more orchestral and much less modern than most anime series scores. It seems to place the series in some other world.

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    Other: The 2-DVD set of 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea has a featurette on Paul Smith its composer. The 3-DVD set of Brazil has footage of Michael Kamen discusing the score. Milestone's Legong DVD has 3 scores of interest: the film is silent & had an original score by Heinz Roemheld. Then they comissioned a new gamalan score which can be played on a seperate audio track. Then as a special feature there is a 50 minute film Kliou The Killer, also silent with another score by Heinz Roemheld. And speaking of Roemheld, the Criterion DVD of King of Kings features the 1928 re-release version of the silent film which again has a score by Roemheld. Recent DVD releases of SOS Iceberg and Storm Over Mount Blanc allow us a chance to hear scores by Paul Dessau. The films have very little dialogue and so the music predominates in many scenes. Amazon.uk has a number of Walter Leigh and Robert Farnon Cds I haven't been able to locate in the US. Naxos has issued budget cds of classical music by Akira Ifukube, Yasushi Akutagawa, and Toshiro Mayuzumi, all great film composers.

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    posted 02-08-2006 09:07 AM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    To clarify: those are 3 CDs from Naxos completely devoted to classical works by those Japanese composers as opposed to an earlier Naxos CD which had pieces by Ifukube & Akatagawa

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    And how could I forget to mention this?! I've been humming & whistling this theme all week. There is a CD of music from 2 Alfred Newman scores: Down to the Sea in Ships & Twelve O'Clock High. The 12:00 High theme is absolutely beautiful, very noble, and I'd rather hear it at a graduation over Elgar & Gaudeamus Igitur. It doesn't really sound like WW2 music but points to the high-standing of the airmen. There isn't much scoring and the CD features a lot of alternates to the title and trailer music but the theme is there in all of them. One interesting thing is a cue entitled "The Airfield". Pretty unmistakable that Newman had Friedhofer's "Graveyard" music from Best Years of Our Lives in mind when he was penning this cue unless they were using temp tracks back in 1949. in any case, the CD is worth every penny just to hear this theme which is really positive & uplifting.

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    posted 02-08-2006 10:05 AM PT (US)     

     Dinko
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    I wish Naxos released more of those Japanese Classics CDs overseas.

    They have a load of them available in Japan, and don't seem to be slowing down.
    http://www.naxos.co.jp/onsale_japaneseseries.html

    Upcoming releases: http://www.naxos.co.jp/japaneseseries.html
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    posted 02-08-2006 10:42 AM PT (US)     

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    Here are the details on the Alfred Newman compilation. Nice release from SAE.

    Lou, did you get around to buying more of those El Records CDs?

    This week I'm adding some Morricone comps from Dagored. I believe most of these were individually released by Dagored previously, but here's a new line of 3-CD compilations gathered together under a single genre name: Maestro, Fear and Crime.


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    posted 02-08-2006 10:44 AM PT (US)     

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    Hey Lou, I've always struggled somewhat with STRAW DOGS. I find
    it rather drawn out and dull until that smashing end. I'm not sure
    he holds the Hoffman character very accountable for his wife's boredom,
    but he does ennoble Hoffman with a "me revert to caveman to save
    hearth" type of nobility at the end.

    Yeah, feminists do not like Peckinpah's portrayal of the rape. It is
    the vision or SICK fantasy of Peckinpah's to set up the whole rape
    like it was rather enjoyable, and if you really take a good look
    at his movies, he is a misogynist. In his movies, females are often
    regulated to whoredom and male accessories no better than a decent
    gun and fine saddle. His biographies tend to also point out his distain
    towards women. There is a really interesting non-fiction book
    call Against Our Will: Men, Women and Rape, and the author
    does a fine job of contrasting two movie rapes. The author points
    out that Peckinpah likes to titillate the male audience with
    Sue Lyon's supposed "enjoyment," and that men enjoyed
    watching this attack and were aroused. (Put wives, sisters,
    and moms into this predicament, and it doesn't take on such
    erotic tones. Hmmm.) Then the author points out how many
    people were just horrified and sickened by the rape of Ned Beatty
    in Deliverance and stormed out of the theater. And of course,
    this rape was filmed as rapes SHOULD be filmed: painful, ugly,
    demented, and NOT the least bit sexually exciting. Now I
    wonder why the rape was portrayed like that? Interesting.

    Let me say that I do admire "some" of his movies. He was
    a great director, but it is too bad that he rarely gave women
    a human and respected face.

    NP Fateless

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    posted 02-08-2006 04:17 PM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    Joan-I would have to agree with you about Sam and his dislike for women (so would all of his ex-wives). But Sam the person has to be seperated out to a certain degree from Sam the artist. Sam the person was a mess. But Sam the artist could be intense & provocative.

    Rape & prostitution feature largely in Sam's cinema and the rape in Straw Dogs has to be contrasted to ones in say Cross of Iron to see the whole scope of Sam's thinking on the subject. In Straw Dogs, it really isn't a rape at first. The assault is from an old boyfriend and she doesn't really fight back. She kind of gives in to the male desire and enjoys it. It's only when a second man she doesn't want involved shows up that it is indeed a rape.

    And in a sense, this is Sam saying you really can't play with these things, that both sex and violence can easily spin out of control and are genies you can't put back in the bottle again. I don't know if Sam condones rape, I certainly do not. But I think he gets at something more truthful about people than mere ethics & principles.

    We often look at crime as something wrong, that we wouldn't do, and at criminals as people outside of us. But if we follow Sam's train of thought, while it is proper & moral to defend principles, home & hearth, the guilt lies dormant in us all. I doubt Sam was a Catholic, but he seems to give us the same message, that we're all potentially guilty of horror, we just cover that up, and it doesn't take much for our true evil selves to emerge.

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    posted 02-08-2006 05:41 PM PT (US)     

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    Lou, you make solid points that I agree with, but I doubt if he was too outraged by rape. But tell my why, Lou, people were so outraged AND offended by the rape in Deliverance? Many left the theater, but they stayed in Cross of Iron and Straw Dogs. What do you make of that standard or double standard?

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    posted 02-08-2006 06:07 PM PT (US)     

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    I love Straw Dogs... and at the same time, I am sickened and repelled by it. I think what allows me to continue enjoying the film is the arc of Hoffman's character, going from being meek and being taken advantage of, to recognizing that in order to live, he has to take charge of his life and take action. The ending of the film is the most satisfying for me because he's got the look on his face of a man who has finally found himself. Fielding's score is so pitch perfect for this film. Moody and introspective in the way that only Fielding could write and also yielding that beautiful Appasionata for what it is still one of the most controversial scenes in film history...

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    posted 02-08-2006 06:25 PM PT (US)     

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    BMikeJ, I guess I need to rewatch the film and tune in more to the score. Please tell me what Appasionata means and where it is placed in the movie.

    Fielding's music always seems to me to be dissonant and strident but a good match with the visuals. I'm a more thematic score lover, but I really do like his score for The Wild Bunch. I was surprised when I heard his Advise and Consent which is melodious and lush. Very different from his later scores.

    NP Powder

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    posted 02-08-2006 08:09 PM PT (US)     

     James
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    Peckinpah would be horrified by a few of the statements here, especially claims that Hoffman's character is somehow redeemed or ennobled in the end. He stated quite explicitly when the film came out that he thought Hoffman was the villian (in his words, "the heavy") of the film. For anyone interested in the film Criterion's DVD package is indispensible. One of the most curious features on it are selections of correspondence between Peckinpah and the angry viewers who wrote to him. If my memory is working correctly (it's been a while since I saw the DVD) in this correspondence the frustrated director makes it clear that he greatly despised his main character, seeing him as a coward too weak to defend his home and later as a tyrant who harbors a monster instead of doing the right thing by throwing David Warner to the mob.

    I can't say I agree with Peckinpah's reading of his own film, but I think one of the things that makes it such a masterpiece is the ambiguity of its morality and the unsettling way it twists and toys with the viewer's sympahties (another film that handles this brilliantly, though it is quite different in all other aspects, is Peter Greenaway's The Baby of Macon). I like to think the point is that when suitably cornered, social mores evaporate and people will revert to their most primitive instincts, as Lou and Joan indicated (though Joan's reading of it was surprisingly positive).

    I disapprove of Hoffman's lackadaisical approach to his problems throughout most of the film, but sympathize as a person who has often let people I perceived to be more powerful push me around. Consequently I initally root for him when he finally takes a stand, but because I sympathize with him in this way, the extremes to which he eventually goes make me question not only his moral values, but my own.

    This was at least partially what Peckinpah wanted. To one soldier who wrote a letter to Peckinpah panning the film, which he ended by calling it worthless as entertainment, Peckinpah said only "I didn't want to entertain you. I wanted you to look into your soul."

    Joan: I think you and the book you reference may be correct in the way Peckinpah sets up the rape. However, if he did intend it to be arousing to male audience members, I suspect this would be another way of toying with the audience's values more than a dubious effort to keep people in the theatre. It's in keeping with his theme of primitive instincts -- i.e., men can provide all the lip service they want to the notion that rape is disdainful, but if he portrays it in an arousing way suddenly that view is called into question. Of course people are going to be offended by a rape that is portrayed as offensive, but if it is portrayed as something erotic and these same people are no longer offended, who does that say more about, the director or the audience? Being the "bad boy" that he was, I suspect Peckinpah would want such a question to be asked.

    Kirk

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    posted 02-08-2006 08:42 PM PT (US)     

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    Interesting points of view, Kirk. I thought Hoffman was redeemed by taking a stand, but I need to rewatch the DVD and get back to you.

    "..when suitably cornered, social mores evaporate...." Yep, well demonstrated in Lord of the Flies.

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    posted 02-08-2006 10:10 PM PT (US)     

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    I think you are right to point to a double standard. During the 70s, the on-screen rape of a woman might be "acceptable" as watched by both sexes but the rape of a man is too much for audiences to take, especially male audiences. Why this should be is indeed a good question that I'm not sure I have a good answer for.

    Straw Dogs is indeed ambiguous. Hoffman's character is intellectual & civilized but as a result he's repressed his instincts and can barely move without stuttering or tripping. When the final confrontation begins, he loses all of that.

    The wife, despite all her chess playing, is a little dumb and somewhat mean. Not only has she allowed a man to screw her & enjoyed it, she's suffered another rape and done nothing but blame her husband for being a coward. When the final confrontation comes, she really doesn't care about the guy the mob wants to kill, she'd rather give him up than deal with any trouble. Hoffman is disgusted by her and when she threatens to leave him, he tells her to go with a smile.

    Hoffman is actually pretty proud that he's killed all of these people. But, even so, he's not a hero but a killer.

    One must NEVER listen to what Peckinpah says about his films in interviews. He hated to give interviews and filled them with BS. The film itself seems to go against the statement he made that throwing Warner to the mob would be the right thing to do. But I do think we're not supposed to entirely like Hoffman as either meek & mild or as a savage protector & avenger. In fact, I'm not sure we're supposed to like any of these people. There is an image in the film of two of the mob riding around on tricycles during the attack on the house that may sum up Sam's view of all adult humanity: As Joan says, we're all the kids from Lord of the Flies.

    I'm reminded of someone who said "If you want to see the true face of humanity, starve a person for 3 days."

    That said, I'm for polite civilization even if it's a weak lie atop a beast lurking beneath the surface. I'm not sure we do a great job of maintaining it, but I believe in the attempt and the results that come when we do succeed.

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    posted 02-09-2006 02:26 AM PT (US)     

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    Lou, I'm inclined to agree with you. I also don't think we're supposed to like any of these people. I suppose my instincts as the viewer are to empathize more with Hoffman's character because he seems to be the only one trying to do the right thing, get the authorities involved and have them sort things out. Straw Dogs is not an easy read and I think that's another thing that keeps me coming back to it.
    Joan, the Appasionata cue is the music used during the rape scene. It's really beautiful music but probably used as a counterpoint to what we are seeing on screen, which contributes to the discomfort.

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    posted 02-09-2006 05:41 PM PT (US)     

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    Its amazing how everyone's likes and dislikes are about some of these films. When I sent in a list of the ten worst films of all time, which was printed in the San Antonio Light back in 75 with a few others. I had Straw Dogs listed on there. Joan, the girl was Susan George. Same one as in the snake movie, where the snake only bites the villains. The Black Mamba movie called Venom. The snake crawls all around the room at the end and bites only the villains. LOL.

    J.

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    posted 02-09-2006 06:13 PM PT (US)     

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    I can follow that--you go to a movie, you see one nice guy surrounded by a town of hostile idiots, he's Dustin Hoffman, so you root for him. But the film makes you question the whole "identify with the hero" transference that audiences make. He may seem better than his opponents and may have morality on his side, but he's still either a dweeb or a savage. And she's just a bitch. And even she shoots someone by the end. No matter what sex you are in the audience or how you feel about the different people you see on screen, you have to scrub the slime off of yourself (if you can--that isn't slime, that's me!) after you've seen it. So in a way, I root for Sam in this film, rubbing the audience's nose in crap, telling it that no matter what it thinks of itself, it could be pouring boiling oil and using bear traps to off people if push came to shove.

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    posted 02-09-2006 08:23 PM PT (US)     

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    For anyone still watching this thread, I'd be interested to know how we feel about something like the scene in Gone with the Wind when Rhett carries Scarlett up the stairs kicking and screaming and the next morning she's sitting in bed perky as a clown. In fact classic Hollywood is littered with scenes of women struggling frantically but helplessly in the arms of men, only to melt into goo when the man finally manages to force a kiss on her, accompanied by the appropriate crescendo from Steiner or Rozsa. I realize it was a different time and people saw movies differently, but that sort of thing has always made me pretty uncomfortable. It's not that I worry about the effect of scenes like that on the people who watch them, I just wonder what it says about society at large that such scenes were so prevalent, ordinary, and even expected, and that today people still view them nostalgically like the men in those movies were "real men."

    Kirk

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    posted 02-12-2006 02:48 PM PT (US)     

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    Unfortunately civilization being 15,000 years old and humanity being 4.5 million years old causes problems. Since we're still primates, we still respond to alpha male and female hierarchies in relation to social structure. A strong man who refuses to be hemmed in by rules, who is forceful and yet protective of women is instinctively atrractive even if he is by all civilized standards an asss-hole. A lot of these force a kiss & melt scenarios are things that appeal to women more than men. Jerry Lewis talks about fanmail he got after making The Nutty Professor. He considered Buddy Love to be the biggest creep there was, a personification of everything he hated, a swarmy, sleezy guy. But Lewis said he got tons of mail from women saying how much they loved him & were attracted to him. Lewis was appalled & couldn't figure it out. It's like CAT and her love of "bad boys". I'm not saying that any of this is good or that a feminist would approve but it does seem to reflect something in our natures that may be more basic, primitive, & pre-social and pre-civilized.

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