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PeterK

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FSM recently stopped the presses and plugged in servers, offering the magazine as a subscription-based website instead of a hard copy rag.Can any of you fathom this move for the FSM line of soundtrack albums themselves?
One day it just might be that albums are produced strictly for download, each with a pdf file complete with detailed liner notes and photos (like the annotated score pdf recently offered with the LOTR music).
Scary thought, or most welcome?
posted 01-12-2006 11:41 AM PT (US) 
BigT1981

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I hope it doesn't come to that Peter.I for one perfer factory pressed CD's over Mp3's any day.
posted 01-12-2006 12:42 PM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

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Same here I prefer the factory pressed CDs.Plus I don't keep music files on my PC.
posted 01-12-2006 12:50 PM PT (US) 
Camillu

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King Kong also had a detailed pdf with liner notes and all the images from the hardcopy release. Nos substitute for a solid CD on your shelf of course, but if this allows them to slash prices then that could well be where we're heading. And let's face it, it's only a matter of time - some for DVDs etc. Which is why I take extra care of the ones I presently own
posted 01-12-2006 01:37 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

FishChip

I am sure a lot of FSMs print subscribers said that holding a print mag is preferred over a website. Websites don't travel as well as digitized music does in remote areas... gone are the days of fishing in the wilderness while reading a hardcopy of FSM, right? But how many subsribers are so far removed from an internet connection....As for music, I hardly own any digital files myself. Just never got into it. If I am forced to start getting them because "that's the way it's going," that's where I'll stop. I have many 1000s of CDs to keep me busy and happy for the rest of my life. Wow, woah.... I just realized (discovered) the reason I keep every CD I buy. I never realized it until now, but there it is!
It will be interesting to see where business like iTunes peak. It's a cool business for the hip crowd, but really, it's not going to wipe out the manufacturing of CDs. It will certainly make a dent, though. Things like iTunes and the AOL full album listening parties will diminish CD sales because now people can hear entire albums before buying the physical CDs. Before, at least with soundtracks, if you had no idea what the music was like, you bought a CD based on a composer's name or the wild imaginations in your head of what a certain piece of music would be like based on the album art.
posted 01-12-2006 02:20 PM PT (US) 
Hector J. Guzman

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If I want to download something, I'll download it for free.
posted 01-12-2006 02:55 PM PT (US) 
Bond1965

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I'm very wary of this whole iTunes/iPod thing.I have a friend who is trying to get me into it and it just doesn't work for me.
With film scores there is rarely a time when you just want to listen to one cue where as with popular music the interest in just one song is more common.
Plus there is the whole transferring of music to your iPod that is too cumbersome and annoying to me.
As for album purchase online, I really don't think it's that great a savings for me when you factor in the time to download and burn a CD, as well as the cost to print the booklet (if those files are provided), etc.
James
posted 01-12-2006 03:11 PM PT (US) 
BigT1981

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Plus there is the whole transferring of music to your iPod that is too cumbersome and annoying to me.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>I agree. People boast how good iTunes and the iPods are but personally I really don't see how great they are. As I stated before I would rather have physical CD's then rip the CD's and compress them to low quality bit rate in order to transfer them to an iPod or some osrt of Mp3 player. iTunes and the iPods are over-rated in my opinion.
I do have scores that are mp3 but those are the complete/expanded/promo scores that will most likely never see the light of day for a legit release because of reuse fees. However if they do get a legit release I'd buy them in a heart beat. I do need to continue re-buying the CD's I once had but were damaged because my idiotic self when I was young didn't know how to take care of them properly. Now that I do they will last a long while. I definitely need to get them though before it is impossible to find them plus get ones I want to add to the collection.
A CD will last a long time, depending on how well you take care of that CD. Same for a DVD.
[Message edited by BigT1981 on 01-12-2006]
posted 01-12-2006 04:08 PM PT (US) 
sakman

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I am trying to comprehened why we came so far in digitized sound and then want to settle for inferior audio quality.And I still don't understand why you would want to watch a Lord of the Rings--or any movie--on a screen the size of your hand. I mean I remember having to watch "Spartacus" on a 12" screen and the thing was in widescreen. Everytime someone spoke in a crowd I had to run up to the screen to see who it was.
Of course, the kind of music most being downloaded is not orchestral film music, or classical and easy listening music, it's mostly throw away stuff that will not be around 15 years from now (heck some of it 15 days from now).
posted 01-12-2006 04:31 PM PT (US) 
MarkA

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By far the biggest issue for me is the inferior sound quality that you get with itunes and (at the present time) all the other providers.When a CD becomes an "itunes exclusive" I cringe because I realize that I will never be able to hear the music in CD quality.
There is a potential solution to this problem. Itunes would need to offer their downloads at higher bitrates. When you get to a sample rate of about 320 kbps even with a high-end audio system you can't really tell the difference between the downloaded file and the track on the real CD. However right now there is no financial motivation for itunes to offer higher bitrates. The digital download marketplace needs more competition!
posted 01-12-2006 04:37 PM PT (US) 
Erik Woods

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For all you people bitching about low quality MP3's and such... seriously... it's not that bad! Honestly, I dare someone to tell me the difference between a 192K MP3 and a CD quality track. And I'm talking about a 192K MP3 that you ripped yourself. You have to have a very, very, very good ear to hear the difference.What's so great about the iPod is that I can have 60GB of my favorite scores with me all the time. I commute to work everyday. It takes me an hour each way. Having that much music with me in the car is incredble.
And Bond... I listen to just one track from a score all the time. I love creating playlists (ie Best of Williams, Love Themes, Main Titles, Action Music, etc) My favorite playlist at the moment is one simply called Scores of 2005. I have 122 tracks in that playlist which gives me a great overview of what 2005 was like score wise. Can't do that with an 80 minute CD.
Anyway, I too think that iTunes should start increasing their AAC bit rate. 128K AAC is just as good as 192k MP3... but a 192K AAC sounds just as good as a 224k MP3 which sounds just as good as CD quality. Honestly, you can't tell the difference.
My two cents.
-Erik-
[Message edited by Erik Woods on 01-12-2006]
posted 01-12-2006 04:48 PM PT (US) 
BMikeJ

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Let me just say this about the back issue archive. I think it's a good idea. I have boxes of FSM back issues. I would just as soon give those the heave-ho and peruse the electronic versions when I feel the need to.
posted 01-12-2006 06:19 PM PT (US) 
franz_conrad

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I tend to incline myself to Erik's way of thinking - the IPOD is not the greatest thing since slided bread, but neither is it the formless fad that my twin would declare it to be!
posted 01-12-2006 08:23 PM PT (US) 
Dinko

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AAC sucks posteriors. Frosty glaze over brass, loss of depth, metallic strings. AAC is the absolute worst codec for reproducing orchestral music. Even mp3 has a warmer and more natural tone!iPods are also pretty shitty (poor sound, battery life, scratches, album stops as opposed to continuous playback, lack of on-the-go features, lack of direct FM radio & FM recording, etc). Particularly compared to better devices from Samsung, Cowon & Toshiba, which don't restrict users to buying 128kbps AAC files, and instead offer a wider choice of 192kbps WMA locations. As for having 60GB in your hands... it's pretty cool. If only you could listen to more than 1GB at a time (something to do with 12-15 hours battery duration).
posted 01-12-2006 10:56 PM PT (US) 
James

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quote:
Originally posted by Erik Woods:
Honestly, you can't tell the difference.Yes I can. All it took was a single college course in sound editing and the world of compressed digital media was destroyed for me.
And it's especially noticeable in orchestral music. Strings particularly sound thin, watery, and metallic. And yes, I'm talking about MP3's encoded at 192kbps. Even 320 makes me cringe sometimes.
Even if I'm in the minority, I don't see why people who can tell the difference should have to settle for an inferior product just because "most" people can't. I would expect the musicians themselves would be particularly upset about this. In that John Williams interview in the Hollywood Reporter linked in another thread he even decries some digital recording (and he's talking about state-of-the-art stuff, not compressed files) in favor of "the old mag six-track."
If the day arrives when uncompressed audio can be transferred over the internet quickly and cheaply, I will accept the advent of technology. But until that day arrives, I'll stick to my CD's and LP's.
Kirk
posted 01-13-2006 02:34 AM PT (US) 
franz_conrad

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quote:
Originally posted by Dinko:
AAC sucks posteriors. Frosty glaze over brass, loss of depth, metallic strings. AAC is the absolute worst codec for reproducing orchestral music. Even mp3 has a warmer and more natural tone!So put them on as .wav files or high resolution mp3s. This involves changing an option in the preferences.
quote:
iPods are also pretty shitty (poor sound, battery life, scratches, album stops as opposed to continuous playback, lack of on-the-go features, lack of direct FM radio & FM recording, etc). Particularly compared to better devices from Samsung, Cowon & Toshiba, which don't restrict users to buying 128kbps AAC files, and instead offer a wider choice of 192kbps WMA locations.Digitise it any way you want - what's all this nonsense about only getting 128kpbs AAC files?
quote:
As for having 60GB in your hands... it's pretty cool. If only you could listen to more than 1GB at a time (something to do with 12-15 hours battery duration).Admittedly that can be a problem... however if you're driving you can power it off the cigarette lighter in your car with a cheap adapter that will also tune your car radio to the ipod. And when you're at work you can either power it off your computer (firewire or usb) or the power point. And once you take those times into account... you really don't need 12 hours of battery on top of that.
posted 01-13-2006 05:45 AM PT (US) 
Swashbuckler

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I don't download music for two reasons. The first is because I find the quality offered by iTunes and people file sharing to be horrible. The other is that they are rarely labelled properly.I buy CDs and if I want it for portability, I'll rip it at a high bit rate or VBR for my mp3 player. I only listen to compressed music when I commute. When I'm at home I listen to the CDs.
I won't get into downloading until the audio quality being offered is better. Call me a snob if you like, but I can damn well hear the difference between a compressed audio file and a CD. I don't understand how anybody who listens to orchestral music can't hear it.
In terms of large capacity on an mp3 player... it isn't about what you listen to at any given time, it's about what's available to you all the time.
[Message edited by Swashbuckler on 01-13-2006]
posted 01-13-2006 09:37 AM PT (US) 
BigT1981

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I too can hear the diferrence in compressed audio. I generally won't accept any mp3 files under 192kbps. There are just a lot more people who would perfer factory pressed CD's rather than low quality compressed Mp3's. To try and force someone though to want low quality compressed mp3's is just plain wrong. If you don't like the fact that I'd perfer to have physical factory pressed CD's then that's your choice.I honestly don't mind carrying a case of CD's and my portable CD player around with me. With that those are only CD-R discs that are in there. My factory pressed CD's stay at home so they can be taken care of properly.
posted 01-13-2006 10:25 AM PT (US) 
Dinko

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quote:
Originally posted by franz_conrad:
Digitise it any way you want - what's all this nonsense about only getting 128kpbs AAC files?Apple's iTunes Music Store downloads are limited to 128kbps AAC (as Erik mentioned earlier). Other online stores which offer downloads in the Windows Media Format typically use 192kbps, and some people say that Sony's CONNECT store gives you the option of a 132kbps ATRAC3 file, or a 256kbps ATRAC3 file (I have not verified the 256kbps claim myself as CONNECT is not available in Canada). eMusic offers mp3 files at a variable bit rate ranging from 192 to 320kbps.
As for battery, you can power it during the day, but I still do not like the idea of being stuck to an external power source. I expect a truly portable device to last longer than 12 hours, and/or have an easily replaceable battery. So far, hard-drive based music players are nice juke-boxes to stick your music in and hook them up to a home stereo, then take along with you to the store and back, but they're hardly fit for extended leaves. Flash players last long (MobiBlu supposedly has a model that last for 150 hours per charge), but so far they were limited in capacity. The iPod Nano (2-4GB) and Sandisk e200 (2-6GB) being the first mid-capacity players, but there again, built-in battery that doesn't last long enough.
posted 01-13-2006 11:13 AM PT (US) 
Scorro

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I much prefer CDs & DVDs (have never downloaded a single piece of music or a movie), but I'm under the impression that the winds of change are upon us. We may be in a download world faster than we anticipate or desire. Here's to hoping that we maintain a choice in the media matter.
posted 01-13-2006 04:36 PM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

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Peter, this is as far as I go. I have the 45s, LPs, CDs and all kinds of cassettes. I'm not going any further on it. I'll be happy with what I have. Period. J.
posted 01-13-2006 05:47 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
