Whether you're a fan of Michael Giacchino or not doesn't really matter with The Family Stone. I found his score to be relatively themeless, though it was fully orchestral, and at times over-the-top. There's nothing special about it, or noteworthy. But no one can blame him, since the visual material he had to work with was so bad to begin with. Bring on Mission: Impossible III!

Try using some SPOILER SPACE if you're going to write stuff like that.

So, Giacchino's Family Stone is up there on par with uhh... Muppet Wizard of Oz? Serviceable music offering no real imprint....

Now that I think about it, does Giacchino really have his own style yet?

In the Jurassic Park video game, he's John Williams. In The Incredibles, he's John Barry. Etc, etc.

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Originally posted by PeterK:
Stop with the playground crap already....

So, Giacchino's Family Stone is up there on par with uhh... Muppet Wizard of Oz? Serviceable music offering no real imprint....

Now that I think about it, does Giacchino really have his own style yet?

In the Jurassic Park video game, he's John Williams. In The Incredibles, he's John Barry. Etc, etc.

Will the real Giacchino stand up? Or one of his representative fans?

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Peter,

If I've succumbed to "playground crap" I apologize to you, but Sean's post really pissed me off. I don't care if he liked the film or not, it's about sensitivity to others who may want to see it and NOT have it completely ruined for them.

There are ways of communicating that don't require you to ruin the experience for everyone.

As for the score, Giacchino doesn't have a lengthy score, but what was there was quite nice. Nothing earth shattering, but then the film didn't require that kind of score.

It's a difficult balancing act in a lot of ways as the film's characters make you feel differently about them throughout the course of the story. Your allegences shift as sometimes they are unlikable and then later you understand them better and change your opinion. At least that was how I felt.

I'd really appreciate it if you or Sean (if he would be so courteous) would put in SPOILER WARNINGS in his original post so others may decide if they want that much information before seeing the film.

The film is FAR FROM homophobic Sean. The writer/director is gay and responsible for one of the most charming gay films in recent years, BIG EDEN.

Ryan, there's no reason for your post. I hate it when you guys post like this. There's nothing to prove.

Sean, spoiler warnings, you bastard!

Ryan, lol

Sean, give us them spoiler warnings

Horner, show us you still have some talent and write something original!

Sigh..that took alot out of me

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Originally posted by PeterK:
James, spoiler warnings need to be put in place, I agree. "Playground crap" is not asking for spoiler warnings, so that comment wasn't for you!

Ryan, there's no reason for your post. I hate it when you guys post like this. There's nothing to prove.

Sean, spoiler warnings, you bastard!

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I'm at a loss about what so-called spoilers I revealed about this dumb movie. And if I'm thinking you're the same person, James, you're the one who was mad about me saying Howard Shore gets iced in King Kong—nice one, considering I don't think anyone besides yourself actually considers that a "spoiler." Further more, James, it's hard to see why you're up in arms over my post, in the first place, considering you've already seen The Family Stone, therefore I couldn't have spoiled anything other than your rosie opinion of the movie. And I don't care whether or not the director is gay or if he makes "charming gay films", my opinion of the movie hasn't changed one bit.

Peter, I agree, I'll put spoiler warnings on something I post if I actually think there's a spoiler involved. And I am a bastard, you bastard!

Ryan, I agree with Peter, what's your reasoning? (Rhetorical question, of course, as you have no good answers.)

yeah...that was me who posted a reply about your Kong spoiler.

You obviously don't seem to care about what others might see or have any sensitivity about it.

Yeah...I saw the film and my complaint with your post still stands because OTHERS may not have. You've gone and ruined it for them.

You wouldn't know homophobia if it bit you on the ass guy. Trust me. I've suffered enough of it. The film isn't homophobic. Yeah...one uncomfortable exchange takes place regarding a character, but it's done to show a conflict and then SUPPORT.

And here I thought all Canadians were nice people.

;-(

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Originally posted by Bond1965:

And here I thought all Canadians were nice people.

;-(

James

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Not really. They made us suffer from Bryan Adams and Celion Dion.

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Originally posted by Bond1965:
Sean,

yeah...that was me who posted a reply about your Kong spoiler.

You obviously don't seem to care about what others might see or have any sensitivity about it.

Yeah...I saw the film and my complaint with your post still stands because OTHERS may not have. You've gone and ruined it for them.

You wouldn't know homophobia if it bit you on the ass guy. Trust me. I've suffered enough of it. The film isn't homophobic. Yeah...one uncomfortable exchange takes place regarding a character, but it's done to show a conflict and then SUPPORT.

And here I thought all Canadians were nice people.

;-(

James

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Your BIG problem, James, is that you take comments (and I guess, in particular, mine) on here at moviemusic.com personally. My opinion on The Family Stone is that the gay characters are only in the film as a cheap "device," to either humiliate Sarah Jessica Parker (and rightfully so in the dinner scene, but given her posh and conservative background her ignorance is at most understandble) or as a tool to show the supposedly "kind heart" of Diane Keaton; I seriously don't see that her gay son and his partner were written into the script for any other purpose. That's what I see in this movie, and if you see something else than bravo for you, it makes little difference. Whatever you've experienced personally is none of my business and I've got nothing to write about that. I just wrote my impression of the film, and it won't change, because I'm not giving it a second thought.

As for King Kong, explain in detail how the Howard Shore snippet spoiled your fun at the movies, and how, if it's truly a "spoiler," it reveals secrets of King Kong that were previously unknown. I see it as trivia, much like John Barry's cool conductor scene in The Living Daylights ... now "hopefully" you've seen that 007 adventure, I wouldn't wanna spoil that big eye-popping moment. Or how about in Gremlins 2 where Jerry Goldsmith is standing in line to get ice cream in one shot.

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Originally posted by sean:

As for King Kong, explain in detail how the Howard Shore snippet spoiled your fun at the movies, and how, if it's truly a "spoiler," it reveals secrets of King Kong that were previously unknown. I see it as trivia, much like John Barry's cool conductor scene in The Living Daylights ... now "hopefully" you've seen that 007 adventure, I wouldn't wanna spoil that big eye-popping moment. Or how about in Gremlins 2 where Jerry Goldsmith is standing in line to get ice cream in one shot.

I am nice, and like I wrote, you took my words personally. If I gave Ryan the time of day everytime he has a tantrum over almost anything not Brian Tyler / John Debney, than I'd be in hot water. James, you just seem to be really upset that I hated The Family Stone and you loved it; it's just personal preference, nothing more.

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My main beef was that I didn't need to know what HAPPENS to Shore. Just like everyone doesn't need to know all the plot devices and turns in the story of The Family Stone. I don't care that you didn't like it. That's your problem.

My MAIN POINT is that you might be more considerate of others who read your posts and may want to find things out for themselves. There are ways of saying how you feel about something without ruining it for others who may feel differently.

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Originally posted by Bond1965:
I don't care that you didn't like it. That's your problem.

James

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It isn't a problem at all. It seems to me we've gone through this before, maybe with the crusades and Kingdom Of Heaven?

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Originally posted by rkeaveney:
Peter, if this truly was a school yard, Sean would be at home, torturing small animals listening to Rabin's classic score for BAD COMPANY. That festering hate has to start somewhere!

Ryan

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Originally posted by rkeaveney:
Peter, if this truly was a school yard, Sean would be at home, torturing small animals listening to Rabin's classic score for BAD COMPANY. That festering hate has to start somewhere!

Ryan

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Hmmmm ... well, it isn't beyond you to be whipping yourself ala Mel's Passion Of The Christ (and South Park's "Passion Of The Jew") listening to The Greatest Game Ever Played.

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Yikes! I don't know which one is worse; but Sean's might be more original. We all know Rabin's most celebrated classic score is The One; you're not fooling anyone there Ryan.

NP> HZ's and JNH's Batman Begins track #13 "Henri Ducard is Actually Ras al Ghul!" ************/******?********!**

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Originally posted by nuts_score:
Look, I don't wanna spoil anything for anyone here, but Bruce Willis is actually dead at the end of The Sixth Sense. And Samuel L. Jackson turns out to be the mastermind villian behind the plot of Unbreakable. Aliens can killed by water in Signs (?????); and last but not least, The Village is actually something to help protect those living outside from the harsh realities of the real world, and it takes place in modern times.

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You know, you might think that everyone has seen these movies. But there are some who haven't.

I accidently spoiled Empire Strikes Back for some friends of mine. Jeez, the movie had been out for a couple of years! But they had never got around to seeing it.

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Originally posted by PeterK:
In the Jurassic Park video game, he's John Williams. In The Incredibles, he's John Barry. Etc, etc.
Will the real Giacchino stand up? Or one of his representative fans?

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I won't claim to be a "representative fan", but I will offer this: listen with both ears. If you truly have listend to Giacchino from the Medal of Honor days, then by the time you get to The Incredibles, you can hear his voice loud and clear. But because he is so good at his craft, his voice is easily adaptable to Muppets, Armies, Tom Cruise and Animated Heroes.

Sure, Incredibles references the Barry style of the past...but it far surpasses it in complexity of sound and adds to it in thematic interplay and shifting styles. Yes, Medal of Honor sounds like it was written in the vein of WWII scores of old, but as soon as the theme is stated and the variations begin, it breaks from Williams, Goodwin, or any other composer you might try to lump him with and becomes something all his own.

In Giacchino we have what should be the goal of all film composers: a craftsman with an adaptable sound that remains first faithful to the images on screen while at the same time speaking in a language all its own.

Oh, and don't forget Sky High which was just recently released on DVD...great main theme!

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Originally posted by Brendan Anderson:
I won't claim to be a "representative fan", but I will offer this: listen with both ears. If you truly have listend to Giacchino from the Medal of Honor days, then by the time you get to The Incredibles, you can hear his voice loud and clear. But because he is so good at his craft, his voice is easily adaptable to Muppets, Armies, Tom Cruise and Animated Heroes.

Sure, Incredibles references the Barry style of the past...but it far surpasses it in complexity of sound and adds to it in thematic interplay and shifting styles. Yes, Medal of Honor sounds like it was written in the vein of WWII scores of old, but as soon as the theme is stated and the variations begin, it breaks from Williams, Goodwin, or any other composer you might try to lump him with and becomes something all his own.

In Giacchino we have what should be the goal of all film composers: a craftsman with an adaptable sound that remains first faithful to the images on screen while at the same time speaking in a language all its own.

Oh, and don't forget Sky High which was just recently released on DVD...great main theme!

-Brendan

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