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nuts_score Standard Userer	Soundtrack.net has the tracklisting for Horner's new score for Terrence Malick's new film The New World. http://www.soundtrack.net/soundtracks/database/?id=4169 Now I'll be the first and last to tell you that I'm not a Horner fan by any means; in fact, I remember the day I took all of my Horner scores (discluding the Aliens Special Edition) to my local trade-in shop. But Malick is an expert filmmaker (but only four films in around 30 years, come on Terrence!) and the last score we got out of his films was - arguably - Zimmer's best work; so I'm going to get this and expect the best. Who's with me?
posted 12-15-2005 01:23 AM PT (US)

workaluk Standard Userer	I am,i have all the scores ever released from James Horner,and a few never released,so for me it's as certain as death... Nuno Cunha
posted 12-15-2005 01:44 AM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	Any bets to see if it'll have the Klingon Theme in there? :-p There's only a few scores from Horner that I really love...the rest are just hacks of his previous works...
posted 12-15-2005 01:55 AM PT (US)

workaluk Standard Userer	That may be so,but i still love all of his music (well except 1 or 2 from the late 70's early 80愀) Nuno Cunha
posted 12-15-2005 02:18 AM PT (US)

Camillu Standard Userer	That's the closet I've ever seen a score getting to 80 mins
posted 12-15-2005 04:44 AM PT (US)

John Steel Standard Userer	I like Horner, but not amongst my favs. This year he had 3 scores so far, Flightplan was terrible, Zorro could have been fantastic if Horner hasn't recycled all his themes and movements from the first part, the only bright star was Chumscrubber. I expect from the New World the usual Horner love themes,celtic woodwinds, hell maybe the bagpipes will even appear. So in one sentence, i expect nothing new.
posted 12-15-2005 05:14 AM PT (US)

workaluk Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by John Steel: So in one sentence, i expect nothing new. That's exactly what i love about Horner,he never let's me down,because i always know what to expect from him,i guess Horner is one of those cases in which,you love his music or you hate is music,there's no middle term,i think.... Nuno Cunha
posted 12-15-2005 08:22 AM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Camillu: That's the closet I've ever seen a score getting to 80 mins Michael Giacchino's Medal of Honor: Frontline clocks in at around the 79:43 mark if I'm not mistaken (with the bonus track that is); but this is gonna have a lot of music.
posted 12-15-2005 10:22 AM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	I don't mind a new JH score... as long as it's 15 minutes long.
posted 12-15-2005 10:40 AM PT (US)

Al Standard Userer	So in other words, listen to track one, and then pop in another disc.
posted 12-15-2005 12:08 PM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by PeterK: I don't mind a new JH score... as long as it's 15 minutes long. I don't know... It depends. If he pulls a Horner, then even 15 seconds might be too much. If he's inspired, I could easily live with 150 minutes. I don't know why, I keep hoping the retard will write another great score, even though I know it will never happen. Hell, I even bought Flightplan hoping for a miracle.
posted 12-15-2005 02:10 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Dinko, what was his last great score?
posted 12-15-2005 02:54 PM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	Alexander Nevsky.
posted 12-15-2005 06:41 PM PT (US)

tjguitar Standard Userer	I rather like his Legend of Zorro score...more than The Mask of Zorro.
posted 12-15-2005 07:03 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	I just looked at the tracklisting.... James Horner is not only be losing his creativity, but his spelling is shot as well. What the hell is an "Apperation"?
posted 12-15-2005 09:10 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Is that what they call surgery in El Paso? LOL, I am having the hardest time figuring this one out.
posted 12-15-2005 09:12 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by PeterK: Is that what they call surgery in El Paso? LOL, I am having the hardest time figuring this one out. Hehe, LOL. It's tough, but I think might be some type of Native American code; like that the "Windtalkers" would use. Maybe we have to see the movie to decipher the code. As long as I don't have to sit through Windtalkers or listen to it's dreadful - GASP! - Horner score.
posted 12-15-2005 09:25 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	Owww, I can tell from the cover there'll be a bagpipe in there lol I've tried Horner, I really did. He sucks, that's what I think. Didn't like Titanic, didn't like Troy, I have even problems with Willow. The only score I find nice is The Land Before Time.
posted 12-15-2005 09:52 PM PT (US)

BigT1981 Standard Userer	gkgyver you might like Horner's Star Trek's II and III scores. They're awesome especially Star Trek II which won an Academy Award at the time.
posted 12-16-2005 12:10 AM PT (US)

Mark Standard Userer	Spellcheck needs to be run on Hayley's name too. Pete, your tracklisting has it right.
posted 12-16-2005 12:26 AM PT (US)

workaluk Standard Userer	You,ve let me down,all of you,calling James Horner a retard and saying he sucks,come on you can express your opinions without being ofensive,specially when there are fans who like his scores,that's not a way an adult behaves himself...oh well... Nuno Cunha [Message edited by workaluk on 12-16-2005]
posted 12-16-2005 01:45 AM PT (US)

John Steel Standard Userer	You probably misunderstood me, i like JH i have like 20 albums of his, but it was a long time ago he done something creative, i just ask him not to use his themes note-by-note again and again and again, he is among the biggest almost "legendary" composers today i accept that, but he should be just a little bit more creative.
posted 12-16-2005 02:12 AM PT (US)

Kris Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by nuts_score: But Malick is an expert filmmaker (but only four films in around 30 years, come on Terrence!) and the last score we got out of his films was - arguably - Zimmer's best work; so I'm going to get this and expect the best. Who's with me? The Thin Red Line sucked big time as a movie, but I did like the score. I'm hoping for The New World to be good, but since it's Malick I'm not too sure. But hat's my point of view.
posted 12-16-2005 06:45 AM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	quote: come on you can express your opinions without being ofensive That's why I said in my opinion Horner sucks Seriously, I don't like his style, and not even Star Trek II, from which I've heard some tracks, can't make up for that. Consequently, I think it's a decent score, but not brilliant or fantastic.
posted 12-16-2005 08:45 AM PT (US)

workaluk Standard Userer	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by gkgyver: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>come on you can express your opinions without being ofensive <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> That's why I said in my opinion Horner sucks Seriously, I don't like his style, and not even Star Trek II, from which I've heard some tracks, can't make up for that. Consequently, I think it's a decent score, but not brilliant or fantastic.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> Ok,that's fair enough,but if that's the case then why would you post in this topic just to say he sucks,for me it doesn't make sense.I think all the golden age scores suck to,but if i see a topic about a golden age score,i don't go there saying that score sucks,i just leave it to the fans who care about it. But returning to the topic,i'm really looking forward to this score,it wiil be my 100th score from James Horner,so it's a special ocasion PETER,MY FRIEND I'M COUNTING ON YOU TO HAVE THIS SCORE IN DUE TIME... Nuno Cunha [Message edited by workaluk on 12-16-2005]
posted 12-16-2005 10:11 AM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	quote: why would you post in this topic just to say he sucks,for me it doesn't make sense.I think all the golden age scores suck to,but if i see a topic about a golden age score,i don't go there saying that score sucks,i just leave it to the fans who care about it. So, expressing that you dislike a composer in a thread ABOUT him doesn't make sense? It's this statement that doesn't make sense to me. Saying to criticise a composer in a thread about this very man is bad is just insane. This is a completely neutral Horner thread; it wasn't started for fans to praise him to no end.
posted 12-16-2005 11:29 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by gkgyver: Seriously, I don't like his style, and not even Star Trek II, from which I've heard some tracks, can't make up for that. Consequently, I think it's a decent score, but not brilliant or fantastic. Well, I guess it sucks to be you. Star Trek II is awesome and the score is far more exciting and energetic than most others composed even today. And you've only heard "some tracks"? What a snob. In theory, if you like Goldsmith or Williams than you should at least like that score.
posted 12-16-2005 02:48 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	I don't know if it makes any difference, but the spelling error from earlier was corrected. Apparently it's "Apparition"; huh, who knew?
posted 12-16-2005 03:59 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	quote: Well, I guess it sucks to be you. Star Trek II is awesome and the score is far more exciting and energetic than most others composed even today. And you've only heard "some tracks"? What a snob. In theory, if you like Goldsmith or Williams than you should at least like that score. Well, ahem, it may suck being me when you love Star Trek II. Maybe it's just me, but that's a wee bit insulting; but since "being me" sucks, what does it matter if it's me? I didn't and don't say I dislike Star Trek II, I said it is a decent score. It might give you goosebumps, but it doesn't do anything to me. Plus, I've watched the movie two or three times, so I have a fairly good idea of what I'm talking about.
posted 12-16-2005 07:10 PM PT (US)

James Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sean: And you've only heard "some tracks"? What a snob. Do you have the money to give a fair chance to every single score that doesn't interest you when you hear a few clips? If you do, e-mail me so I can tell you how to send some to my PayPal account. Kirk
posted 12-16-2005 10:08 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by James: Originally posted by sean: And you've only heard "some tracks"? What a snob. ------------------------------------------- Do you have the money to give a fair chance to every single score that doesn't interest you when you hear a few clips? If you do, e-mail me so I can tell you how to send some to my PayPal account. Kirk Honestly, you should read about Sean's collection. He's got quite a fine and large assortment of scores; and he doesn't mess around with Star Trek, so be careful treading on those waters. [Message edited by nuts_score on 12-16-2005]
posted 12-16-2005 11:08 PM PT (US)

James Standard Userer	I don't mess around with Star Trek either. I simply take issue with sean's approach sometimes, i.e., telling someone "sucks to be you" for not liking a score and then being audacious enough to accuse them of snobbery. I also refuse to telegraph sarcasm by inserting winking smiley faces into my posts. Kirk
posted 12-17-2005 12:08 AM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	Sean's, well . . . he's drunk a lot. Sometimes he just says random things. I can't blame it as I'm always guilty of it.
posted 12-17-2005 12:22 AM PT (US)

workaluk Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by gkgyver: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>why would you post in this topic just to say he sucks,for me it doesn't make sense.I think all the golden age scores suck to,but if i see a topic about a golden age score,i don't go there saying that score sucks,i just leave it to the fans who care about it. <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> So, expressing that you dislike a composer in a thread ABOUT him doesn't make sense? It's this statement that doesn't make sense to me. Saying to criticise a composer in a thread about this very man is bad is just insane. This is a completely neutral Horner thread; it wasn't started for fans to praise him to no end. It's different expressing an opinion saying you dislike a composer and explaining why,than just come here and saying he sucks without any other reason... Nuno Cunha
posted 12-17-2005 05:47 AM PT (US)

James Standard Userer	So, the only reviews I had read of this so far that mentioned music in any capacity had only good things to say about Horner's score. And then today I read Michael Wilmington's Top Ten List for 2005, and in his description of The New World he states that the film is "set to the music of Wagner and Mozart." So now the question is whether Horner's score is combined with actual selections from classical pieces, which I haven't heard about anywhere else (though it's not unprecedented for a Malick film, e.g. Days of Heaven) or if Horner is simply appropriating them for his score, in which case I am willing to "blame" Malick, given both his precedent for using classical music and the fact that Horner doesn't usually steal from German composers. Can anyone shed light on this? Kirk NP - Lulu (Alban Berg) [Message edited by James on 12-20-2005]
posted 12-20-2005 12:45 AM PT (US)

workaluk Standard Userer	Ok,as far as i know the actual score from Horner,it's almost unused in the movie,i guess that about 15 to 20 minutes of music that it's in the cd,are used in the film,the rest was unused in favor of classical pieces from Wagner and Mozart,maybe others i'm not sure,which it's very common in Mallick's films.. Nuno Cunha
posted 12-20-2005 01:42 AM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	quote: It's different expressing an opinion saying you dislike a composer and explaining why,than just come here and saying he sucks without any other reason... I said I don't like his style! I didn't know a full analysis of this statement is required to make it a valid opinion; and I have neither the will, nor the time, nor the musical knowledge to do that. I don't like his style, I think he sound very "thin" sometimes. If that's not enough, well, then I guess you'll just have to deal with it and stop bothering me. Oh me ... maybe zimmerito was right after all ...? [Message edited by gkgyver on 12-20-2005]
posted 12-20-2005 06:13 AM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Kirk, did you email him and ask more precisely what he meant? I'm sure he'd elaborate some more.... mwilmington@tribune.com It could be that Horner is "broadening" his horizons.
posted 12-20-2005 09:52 AM PT (US)

Joey168943 Standard Userer	Not being a classical music afficianado, I can't say for sure whether there was any surgery done on tracks from the classics but... I saw The New World last night at a special screening in Hollywood and it (the film and the score) was spectacular. It was epic when needed and subdued when appropriate. Much like Malick's work, you'll probably either love it or hate it. As with Thin Red Line, there were people who walked out 100 minutes in and people near me were visibly squirming in their seats trying to stay focused but I suspect those (like in the case of Thin Red Line) were mostly people who were not familiar with how a Malick film typically plays out (the pace is quite similar to Thin Red Line). Those who knew exactly what they were in for seemed very satisfied (and Q'Orianka Kilcher is freakin' amazing -- the girl was 14 when the movie was shot!) and lots of the post-film chat I heard was directly related to "how great the score was". Wish the CD was coming out today because I really don't want to wait until Jan! Joey
posted 12-20-2005 10:43 AM PT (US)

workaluk Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by gkgyver: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1> It's different expressing an opinion saying you dislike a composer and explaining why,than just come here and saying he sucks without any other reason... <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> I said I don't like his style! I didn't know a full analysis of this statement is required to make it a valid opinion; and I have neither the will, nor the time, nor the musical knowledge to do that. I don't like his style, I think he sound very "thin" sometimes. If that's not enough, well, then I guess you'll just have to deal with it and stop bothering me. Oh me ... maybe zimmerito was right after all ...? [Message edited by gkgyver on 12-20-2005] I'm not bothering anyone,i never said your name,you were the one who started respond to my posts,and as for the zimmerito comment...I will just let rest,because if you are calling me what i think,then you don't deserve any conversation by me,so take care and happy christmas to you and your family... Nuno Cunha
posted 12-21-2005 01:51 AM PT (US)

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