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    Topic:   John Powell confirmed for X-MEN 3!

     nuts_score
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    From MusicFromtheMovies.com:

    http://www.musicfromthemovies.com/article.asp?ID=588

    "X-Men 3, one of the biggest action films to come out next year, will get an original score by John Powell. The prestigious assignment has been confirmed to Music from the Movies by 20th Century Fox."


    Sounds very promising to me. I always enjoy John Powell's music, post-Media Ventures.; and X-Men are a great superhero property to get some strong themes going (I'm still imagining what his take on Watchmen would have been like had Paramount not have foolishly canned it last Summer). Since we have a new director and composer, I imagine we won't be hearing any of the material by Kamen or Ottman.



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    posted 12-10-2005 12:28 AM PT (US)     

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    WoW!!

    Great chance for Powell to show what he is capable of...not that he hasn´t already shown what he can do, but this is the kinda film Powell needed IMHO. I was waiting for a Bond movie for Mr. Powell, but X3 is also good.
    Good news to close the year!

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    posted 12-10-2005 05:25 AM PT (US)     

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    Great news. Powell is one of my favorite composers. I just hope this is a good movie. I've been very sceptical about this one. Ever since Brett Ratner took over I've been hearing worrying stuff. Finally some good news has come out though.

    np History of Violence (1st time)

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    posted 12-10-2005 06:11 AM PT (US)     

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    What happened to Schifrin? That's crap.

    Shaun

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    posted 12-10-2005 09:18 AM PT (US)     

     Al
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    What's worrying is that John Powell is now cause for good news.

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    posted 12-10-2005 10:47 AM PT (US)     

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    Eh.

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    posted 12-10-2005 11:06 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Al:
    What's worrying is that John Powell is now cause for good news.

    Indeed.

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    posted 12-10-2005 11:21 AM PT (US)     

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    it would be nice to actually get a strong theme for x-men this time. I'm getting tired of movies in general now days not having memorable, and noticable themes. all we get is small hints toward themes, and if the themes do actually come out in the movie it's only for like 20 seconds or so. I want a good 3 or 4 minute theme, something that sticks, and if your humming it around someone they automatically know what your humming.

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    posted 12-10-2005 11:52 AM PT (US)     

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    This made my day. Can't wait to hear what John will come up with.

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    posted 12-10-2005 11:57 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Shaun Rutherford:
    What happened to Schifrin? That's crap.

    Shaun


    I agree with Shaun. Schifrin scoring this film is much more enticing than John Powell scoring the movie. JP better not treat this like he does every other action movie he does, like it's a bloody cartoon and that the audience will think the movie is as funny as he thinks it is; a good example is Paycheck ... some great Bond like moments, but most of the action music sounds like it's for a goofball comedy (he should at least pretend to be serious about the movies he's doing—Harry Gregson-Williams is great at hiding his contempt for many of the films he's attached to, just try Armageddon).


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    posted 12-10-2005 12:06 PM PT (US)     

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    Face/Off wasn't really a comedic action score... But I do agree that some of the action stuff he does now isn't serious. I loved his score to Mr. and Mrs. Smith, but I am pretty sure that kind of action music wouldn't be appropriate for an X-Men movie. So hopefully he does go the whole Face/Off route and makes the action a little more serious/intense. But I am really looking forward to what he could do with a superhero movie.

    Clayton

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    posted 12-10-2005 12:12 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Al:
    What's worrying is that John Powell is now cause for good news.

    What was worrying was Schifrin doing the score for X3.
    Brett Ratner is so awful as a director...but Powell will improve Ratner´s poor visuals, no doubt about it. I doubt Schifrin had been able to do that; his collaboratios with Ratner had been horrific (Rush Hour and Rush Hour 2 wow! ).

    NP Medal of Honor:Allied Assault

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    posted 12-10-2005 12:12 PM PT (US)     

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    Well Powell's yet to be written score can't be any worse than X-2's music.

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    posted 12-10-2005 01:43 PM PT (US)     

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    Was Schifrin ever 100% officially confirmed as the composer? I cannot recall whether or not his agency (or Schifrin) had confirmed anything.

    This should be a fantastic opportunity for Powell who has come quite a long way from his Face/Off score almost 10 years ago. I'll be very surprised if it isn't up to the quality of his previous scores. Robots was one of my favorites this year

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    posted 12-10-2005 02:36 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Shaun Rutherford:
    What happened to Schifrin? That's crap.

    I never believed it. But at least it would have been interesting.

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    posted 12-10-2005 02:40 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Mark Olivarez:
    Well Powell's yet to be written score can't be any worse than X-2's music.

    Yeah, right. Ottman's X2 score is fantastic, and Powell can screw this up big time, no doubt about it. I'd like to hear something serious and intense from him, no jaunty superhero athems or bouncy, playful action.

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    posted 12-10-2005 05:57 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by sean:

    Yeah, right. Ottman's X2 score is fantastic, and Powell can screw this up big time, no doubt about it. I'd like to hear something serious and intense from him, no jaunty superhero athems or bouncy, playful action.

    And how is that different from Ottman's X2 score? Sorry, I'm in the Kamen camp for the best score in regards to those films. You and I agree on a lot of things and have some good fun ("Does it come in pink?"), but I have to disagree with you here.

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    posted 12-10-2005 09:00 PM PT (US)     

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    Well, if the movie isn't "serious or intense", I wouldn't expect that kind of score.
    I think John Powell is more than capable of scoring this film. His scores over the last two years have really impressed me, Paycheck and the Bourne scores in particular.

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    posted 12-10-2005 09:04 PM PT (US)     

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    Ottman's score is bland and un-interesting. It has that "been there heard that" before feeling to it.

    Never was too keen on Kamen's music either but his hands may have been tied by Singer on what he could or could not do.

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    posted 12-11-2005 08:14 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Mark Olivarez:
    Ottman's score is bland and un-interesting. It has that "been there heard that" before feeling to it.

    Never was too keen on Kamen's music either but his hands may have been tied by Singer on what he could or could not do.


    Those are my feelings - spot on - regarding Ottman's sequel score.

    Kamen's score works tremendously in the film, but the Decca release of the CD didn't do it much justice as it seems many of the better cues were left somewhere else (perhaps a complete promo that followed him to his grave?).

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    posted 12-11-2005 11:06 AM PT (US)     

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    Just out of curiousity, are you basing your opinion on Ottman's score on what you've heard from the album? Like Kamen, only half of his score made it to the album and I don't think it's an adequate representation of the score.

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    posted 12-11-2005 11:28 AM PT (US)     

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    Just as an FYI there is a complete promo for Kamen's X-Men floating out there. It's awesome and I agree it has a lot of cues that the OST doesn't.

    There's also an expanded 2-disc set promo for Ottman's X-Me 2 score but it's not complete like Kamen's X-Men score. There are some cues that are still absent.

    It shall be intresting to hear what John Powell does with this score.

    Edit: Also Kamen's actual theme for the X-Men is pretty damn close to the animated series. Unlike Ottman's X-Men 2 theme...

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    posted 12-11-2005 06:25 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by BMikeJ:
    Just out of curiousity, are you basing your opinion on Ottman's score on what you've heard from the album? Like Kamen, only half of his score made it to the album and I don't think it's an adequate representation of the score.

    Did Ottman base his score on Mancini's Lifeforce? I very well think so. Not impressive.

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    posted 12-11-2005 06:34 PM PT (US)     

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    Are you saying that he based his entire score on LIFEFORCE? If you are, that is ludicrous. It's certainly possible that something from LIFEFORCE may have appeared on the temp track and the composer may have been asked to emulate that. I would like to see you specifically point to areas in Ottman's score that are similar to LIFEFORCE. I'm not hearing it.

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    posted 12-11-2005 06:41 PM PT (US)     

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    Ottman assembled the temp score himself while he was editing the film, and at one point mentioned many of the scores he used and was therefore influenced by (I'm pretty sure this was covered in a past thread, but as the search feature is down...).

    However, despite coming clean about (if I recall correctly) half a dozen influences on the temp track, he said he had never heard Mancini's score to Lifeforce.

    The only similarity I ever saw in the two themes was the rhythm, and I hope I'm not bursting anyone's bubble by saying that Mancini was not the first composer in history to use it.

    Kirk

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    posted 12-11-2005 06:48 PM PT (US)     

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    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by BMikeJ:
    Are you saying that he based his entire score on LIFEFORCE? If you are, that is ludicrous. It's certainly possible that something from LIFEFORCE may have appeared on the temp track and the composer may have been asked to emulate that. I would like to see you specifically point to areas in Ottman's score that are similar to LIFEFORCE. I'm not hearing it.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Well I'm not, but listen to the strings in the first five seconds of Lifeforce theme, that's similar (if not the same, I don't have X2 with me right now) to Ottman's theme, that why I said he based it (okay the theme not the score) on Lifeforce.

    And then the brass comes in, the theme is different but the.. um style (?) is similar too.

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    posted 12-11-2005 07:17 PM PT (US)     

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    Ok, you've clarified your statement. Thank you. And as James said, Mancini was not the first composer to write in this manner. I happen to like Ottman's score and I like the thematic material he came up with. As much as I love Michael Kamen, there were only a couple of themes in his score and I don't think they were adequately represented on the album. To this day, the one moment in the picture that really stands out to me is when Rogue decides to sacrifice herself to save Logan. I think Michael Kamen really nailed it there. When I think of John Ottman's score, there are more moments that stand out. But that's just my opinion at the end of the day.

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    posted 12-11-2005 07:49 PM PT (US)     

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    When Rogue decided to sacrifice herself to save Logan? Ummmmmm don't you mean when Logan nearly gave his life to save Rogue??? :-p

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    posted 12-11-2005 08:11 PM PT (US)     

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    Sorry, man. I've read too many X-Men comics.

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    posted 12-11-2005 08:30 PM PT (US)     

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    Yeah, I love that motiff you guys are referring to. It's also recognizable in Revell's score for Red Planet (track 8, "Alone").

    I can recognize that Ottman's score didn't get a full-on treatment for our normal discs, but I just can't identify with the main theme. It doesn't sound right in my ear; don't ask me why. The same thing happens with his Magneto theme. Ottman did some great stuff this year (Fantastic Four and Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang) but - IMO - it's one of his lesser scores.

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