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Topic: Korngold's Sea Wolf--Chandos!!!

sakman

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Maybe this one went under the radar, but I finally got a copy of the Chandos recording of the complete score for "The Sea Wolf." This is an awesome recording!!!!While so much bellyaching is going on about the current batch of music, this is one CD worth owning! I've got to find a way to explore the other titles in this series too by less familiar composers, but this latest Korngold disc is just fabulous.
Though I like the stuff Korngold did in the 1940s, this is probably the last in a stream of superb scores. It's not "Robin Hood" (which has a suite on this disc) or "The Sea Hawk" but it is equally as great!
[Message edited by sakman on 11-22-2005]
posted 11-22-2005 09:56 AM PT (US) 
PeterK

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Agreed agreed! And sitting on the shelves here waiting to be ordered:
http://www.moviemusic.com/soundtrack/filmmusicofewkorngoldposted 11-22-2005 10:04 AM PT (US) 
Incanus
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You mean Sea Wolf as you say in the title and not Sea Hawk that you keep refering in the post right?
I have check the score out. I love Korngold's scores and new recording of his music is always welcome.
posted 11-22-2005 10:26 AM PT (US) 
tjguitar

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i'm becoming more and more a fan of korngold...I love the 2 Gerhardt discs, unforunately thats all I own, aside from his music on various Silva Screen compilations.Though I am going to eventually get the Kojian/Utah Symphony recordings of Sea Hawk and Adv. of Robin Hood, as well as the Gerhardt recording of Kings Row (Its still available from Colosseum evidently)....I'll probably snatch this one up too! But i'm poor right now. :-( lol
posted 11-22-2005 11:31 AM PT (US) 
Incanus
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Why not buy the Marco Polo version of Adventures of Robin Hood? It is a complete score and what I hear the music is better performed than on the Varese CD. I own it and it is great. I have the Varese Sea Hawk CD as well and that is really great. Swashbuckling was never better
posted 11-22-2005 12:04 PM PT (US) 
sakman

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Yes, I typed the wrong title in...DOH! So changed it.Yes Stromberg recording of "Adventures of Robin Hood" is also very good. And this Chandos disc is even better than that!
You can get your feet a bit wet with a Previn Deutsche Grammophon recording of music from "The Sea Hawk," "Captain Blood," "The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex," and "The Prince and the Pauper" and a recording by James Sedares of "Juarez," Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex", "The Sea Wolf." Even with the little overlap it's worth it.
posted 11-22-2005 02:41 PM PT (US) 
tjguitar

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quote:
Originally posted by Incanus:
Why not buy the Marco Polo version of Adventures of Robin Hood? It is a complete score and what I hear the music is better performed than on the Varese CD. I own it and it is great. I have the Varese Sea Hawk CD as well and that is really great. Swashbuckling was never better
Well, I enjoy the Kojian recording of the Star Wars Trilogy and I see nothing but good reviews of the Kojian-Korngold recordings. I have excerpts of both on a Varese sampler disc...What is the general consensus? is The Adv. of Robin Hood a score where the Complete score is the one have? There are some instances where I prefer the shorter CDs.
Is the Marco Polo recording on Naxos yet? If it is, then I can pick it up for 6.98 and decide for myself if the complete score is the one to have

posted 11-22-2005 02:55 PM PT (US) 
sakman

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The Varese CDs are fine. The new Marco Polo is worth every penny.If you like Korngold, you'll love the whole score. "Adventure of Robin Hood" is probably one of the best scores of the 1930s and is an important score to include in your collection along with Steiner's "King Kong." I have note seen the Robin Hood disc on Naxos yet. It had just come out before they made the switch I think. There is also a Super audio version of the Marco Polo.
posted 11-22-2005 04:24 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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I don't know about a SACD, but I have the DVD-A version (with DD and DTS tracks).Both the Morgan/Stromberg and the Kojian recordings are worth having. And Korngold's own original recording, which has an iso score track on the DVD.
Avoid the Previn CD unless you're familiar enough with Korngold to listen to somewhat odd (i.e. very slow) interpretations. It's not bad, but not my first choice, and it might frighten you.

I still highly recommend the Captain Blood compilation on Marco Polo (which also includes Young's outstanding Scaramouche and a nice Rozsa and very fine Steiner), along with the original Blood recording on Tsunami (sounds old, but still very listenable).
posted 11-22-2005 05:00 PM PT (US) 
tjguitar

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Going to get that Captain Blood Naxos disc eventually as well....I'm not familiar with the other scores included on the disc but I enjoy Rozsa and Steiner....Who doesn't?posted 11-22-2005 09:00 PM PT (US) 
firefox
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While the two Varese recordings are good, that "magic" that you hear in the Gerhardt recordings is not there at least some of the time. I think you'd be better off with the Marco Polo ROBIN HOOD, and they just got done recording THE SEA HAWK. I don't know what it is, but when I want to hear THE SEA HAWK, I always go for the Gerhardt and not the Varese...I do NOT like the ELIZABETH AND ESSEX re-recording -- really muddy. Might be a great performance, but I can't hear it due to a big blur of strings and brass and echo.
And almost all of Sedares' recordings are just so damn laid-back. The film noir by Rozsa is such a waste of great playing because it's just so darn devoid of excitement, especially if you compare to Rozsa's own re-recordings and the original soundtracks. Some of Sedares' stuff is great to have (like Rozsa's "Symphony") because it's not available elsewhere. Kind of reminds me of those four Waxman collections from Australia. One score sounds just like the next, with most being only on "6" or "7" in terms of drama when they needed to be "10." Where was Nigel Tufnel when we needed him?
But because a lot of the Korngold IS available elsewhere, don't go for the Sedares recordings unless you're a Korngold completist. Don't want anyone getting turned off by these great composers' music because the performances are lacking all the drama of the originals. Don't even get me started on the Herrmann recording of THE DEVIL AND DANIEL WEBSTER...
[Message edited by firefox on 11-22-2005]
posted 11-22-2005 11:45 PM PT (US) 
JJH

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the DVD of Adventures of Robin Hood is a blast, and contains Korngold's score on an isolated music track. very nifty.posted 11-23-2005 01:53 AM PT (US) 
sakman

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While can appreciate Firefox's personal taste, I will say that there is nothing wrong with the recordings he dislikes on the whole. I will agree that the sound of the "Elizabeth and Essex" recording is somewhat thuddy but it can be partially corrected with some tweaking of your sound system a little.For anyone starting to listen to this music for the first time, you are facing those who want the music to sound exactly as it did when it first was recorded to picture. The thought that there could be alternative interpretations to anything is anathema to some.
If you can find it, get the 2-disc Korngold set on Rhino. You will have to put up with some poor source sounding material and mono sound which gives these a dry acoustic. Then pop on any of the recordings you hear mentioned above and you will be thankful that someone is recording this music. You favorite will depend on your personal choice.
I like the Previn recording for what it is a collection of cues arranged in a suite form that hits the highlights. I can't imagine Korngold would believe that his music would ever get played by the likes of the LSO after his death.
So you have to determine if you are able to hear other interpretations of this music. Trying to re-record these scores "exactly" as they were without any musical interpretation is ludicrous. You might as well load the score into computer and play it back that way.
posted 11-23-2005 08:20 AM PT (US) 
tjguitar

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w00t I just won the Gerhardt recording of Kings Row off Ebay for 2.99!!!!!!!I haven't seen it cheaper than $20 anywhere, used copies, or the imports still bring printed from Colosseum
posted 12-03-2005 03:54 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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I finally caught up to this album. It works. Gamba has dropped the ball in the past & I'm no fan of re-records, but I played it all the way through without my cringe meter going off. Even when tempi & the like are off, my main stipulation when it comes to re-records is that they work as music which this did. So, for now it's a case of "He likes it. Hey, Mikey!"[Message edited by Lou Goldberg on 02-15-2006]
posted 02-15-2006 01:05 AM PT (US) 
The_Mark_of_Score-O
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Avoid the Previn CD unless you're familiar enough with Korngold to listen to somewhat odd (i.e. very slow) interpretations. It's not bad, but not my first choice, and it might frighten you.You're right; it isn't bad, it's awful.
And the sound on the 2-CD Rhino "Korngold at Warner Bros." is truly atrocious, all the more unforgivable because the audio on the more-or-less complete copies of the scores represented in the compilation that I have in my collection sound wonderful.
Didn't anybody listen to the stuff before they mastered that CD?
[Message edited by The_Mark_of_Score-O on 02-17-2006]
posted 02-17-2006 03:20 AM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
