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    Topic:   SW 4CD Anthology

     John Steel
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    Does it worth the price of 40 dollars (if i have the 97 editions) just for the package and the fact of being a collectible soundtrack?


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    posted 11-17-2005 08:22 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by John Steel:
    Does it worth the price of 40 dollars (if i have the 97 editions) just for the package and the fact of being a collectible soundtrack?


    What are you talking about?


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    posted 11-17-2005 09:37 AM PT (US)     

     Swashbuckler
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    I depends on what you're looking for.

    The Arista box set has a few tracks that aren't on the RCA/Sony editions, such as the film version of TESB end credits, some alternates from ROTJ, and of course "Lapti Nek" and two different versions of "Ewok Celebration."

    The sound quality on TESB and ROTJ is superior in the box set than the special edition versions as well (although this is not the case with ANH). Furthermore, purely as a listening experience, the box set's ROTJ is much better than the messy and overlong '97 version.

    The presentation of the box set is first rate, with excellent liner notes and artwork.

    If that makes it worthwhile to you, than go for it. Otherwise, you have the bulk of the music already.

    [Message edited by Swashbuckler on 11-17-2005]

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    posted 11-17-2005 11:13 AM PT (US)     

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    I'm satisfied with my box set. I've had it for 12 years. I want to get the 2cd ANH eventually though.

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    posted 11-17-2005 12:12 PM PT (US)     

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    If you are a completist Williams collector it is worth the effort. And if you grew up with these scores on LP you will appreciate the familiarity of the order. The 97 "Special" editions were fine. The sound of ANH was amazing over the originals but I liked the previous edits only because of familiarity.

    And I prefer the original ending music for ROTJ than the new-agey music written for the "Special Edition".

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    posted 11-17-2005 03:40 PM PT (US)     

     moontrekker
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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by sakman:
    [B]If you are a completist Williams collector it is worth the effort.


    I guess I am then Ive got more Star Wars music than you can shake a Wookie at.
    Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!
    sd

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    posted 11-17-2005 03:59 PM PT (US)     

     sakman
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    Well, being a fan of one score (or series of scores) is one thing. And there's nothing wrong with that. SW is the score that got me started.

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    posted 11-17-2005 10:12 PM PT (US)     

     Camillu
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    Have been meaning to get this for quite a while now, and this thread served as a reminder.

    I just ordered a second-hand copy from www.Secondspin.com for $20. They still have 3 copies left if anyone's interested.
    http://www.secondspin.com/music/product-detail.jsp?id=770746

    [Message edited by Camillu on 11-17-2005]

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    posted 11-17-2005 10:35 PM PT (US)     

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    Though the sound may be better on the Arista set in regards to The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, the sequencing on the RCA/Sony editions is far better. The 15 minute "Battle of Hoth" cue kicks the bejesus out of the individual cues layed out on the Arista set; also, the "Rescue From Cloud City / Hyperspace" mix works wonders. Having each cue layed out on the Arista is tedious, IMO. The complete listen on the RCA/Sony editions is much better, regardless of sound quality.

    sakman, I disagree with you about the new "Celebration" music in Return of the Jedi. What Williams composed in '97 far outdoes the original end music for that sequence, and it's not "new-agey" in the least ... man, you sound like my dad, yeeesh!

    This could all depend on if you've been lsitening to all this music since 1977. I was 14 when the Special Editions hit theatres, so buying the Star Wars scores in their complete form was much more satisfying for me. The only real benefit of the Arista set is the sound quality on Return of the Jedi, it's better than the strange mix on the RCA/Sony releases (which appear to be identical). I own most all the versions of these scores, including the LPs, so maybe ya' wanna' go that route!

    NP: Lock Up (Bill Conti) *****/*****

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    posted 11-18-2005 12:24 AM PT (US)     

     sakman
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    Sean...I am your father....ahahahahaha....just kidding.

    I think the full chorus sound that ends ROTJ as it moves gradually up and up harmonically to a bright key is a perfect emotional ending. The Special Edition one just seems blander musically. Just personal taste.

    It is amazing that there are probably three generations (at a minimum) of people who have experienced this music and these films! I don't think you can say that about other films before this?

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    posted 11-18-2005 08:02 AM PT (US)     

     John Steel
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    I don't understand why does the '97 release of ROTJ have such poor sound quality.
    ANH and ESP both have great audio qualities.

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    posted 11-18-2005 08:06 AM PT (US)     

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    I agree, Ewok Celebration (film version, not album version) is much superior to Victory Celebration in every way. The song has a nice little melody, and it builds up and its just awesome...that being said it is absolutely butchered on the album version when they have ewok voices sing instead of regular human voices in the movie.

    and I as only 12 when the special editions came out.

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    posted 11-18-2005 08:29 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by John Steel:
    I don't understand why does the '97 release of ROTJ have such poor sound quality.
    ANH and ESP both have great audio qualities.

    Yeah, does anyone actually know why Return of the Jedi has such poor sound quality? I thought my discs were defective when I bought 'em, but it seems not, so why such a **** job on the mix?


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    posted 11-18-2005 11:08 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by sakman:
    Sean...I am your father....ahahahahaha....just kidding.


    But sakman! Obi-Wan told me that you betrayed and murdered my father!


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    posted 11-18-2005 11:01 PM PT (US)     

     sakman
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    Obi-wan....nope...he's just jealous.

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    posted 11-19-2005 10:41 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Though the sound may be better on the Arista set in regards to The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, the sequencing on the RCA/Sony editions is far better. The 15 minute "Battle of Hoth" cue kicks the bejesus out of the individual cues layed out on the Arista set; also, the "Rescue From Cloud City / Hyperspace" mix works wonders. Having each cue layed out on the Arista is tedious, IMO. The complete listen on the RCA/Sony editions is much better, regardless of sound quality.

    I agree with you about the sequencing of Star Wars and Empire. The RCA/Sony versions progress much better, in my opinion. Having grown up with the LP configuration of Star Wars, I had gotten used to a lot of the edits, but hearing the score in order is a lot of fun. And Empire is just a phenomenal score, the more the better.

    My biggest issue with the RCA/Sony editions is the lousy sound quality and lazy programming of Return of the Jedi.

    [Message edited by Swashbuckler on 11-19-2005]

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    posted 11-19-2005 01:05 PM PT (US)     

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    I think the archives at Skywalker Ranch have the original master tapes for the OT scores. I don't know why they don't just go back and completely re-do everything and make everything sound good. Hell if they could make some selections from ROTJ sound good on the "Musical Journey" DVD than what they sound with the RCA/Sony sets then they can go back and re-do everything.

    Unless the original master tapes are lost...

    I personally have a problem with the OT scores...to me they are a amped up a bit to much, especially with ANH. All though ESB isn't too bad but most of ROTJ's sound quality is definitely horrible.

    I paid $50.00 for a mint condition Anthology set...all though it had been viewed once or twice but still it's worth it.

    [Message edited by BigT1981 on 11-19-2005]

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    posted 11-19-2005 01:13 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Swashbuckler:
    My biggest issue with the RCA/Sony editions is the lousy sound quality and lazy programming of Return of the Jedi.

    [Message edited by Swashbuckler on 11-19-2005]


    Yeah I agree totally. I'd really love to know why such a lousy job was done on that score. It's probably the worst sounding (quality-wise) CD set in my collection; and is it just me or does CD1 sound better than CD2?


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    posted 11-20-2005 08:30 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by sakman:

    It is amazing that there are probably three generations (at a minimum) of people who have experienced this music and these films! I don't think you can say that about other films before this?


    No, your forgeting films like Casablanca, Gone with the Wind and Citizen Kane, Maltese Falcon, Thin Man and a bunch of others.

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    posted 11-21-2005 01:16 AM PT (US)     

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    Well, I guess I meant that the film was altered each time. Aren't there like 4 different versions of A NEW HOPE?

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    posted 11-23-2005 08:39 PM PT (US)     

     MWRuger
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    Yes, something like that. But I don't think that is anything that Lucas should be proud of.

    Finish the damn thing and make something new. Don't spend your entire life on one movie!

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    posted 11-24-2005 09:15 AM PT (US)     

     Swashbuckler
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    As that horrible excuse for a prequel trilogy proved, he's got good left.

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    posted 11-29-2005 06:39 PM PT (US)     

     John Steel
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    The Anthology arrived yesterday, it's superb!
    The sound quality of ROTJ is indeed far better than the '97 edition, i don't know how's this possible, but the entire "battle of endor" sounds crystal clear in the '93 edition.

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    posted 11-30-2005 02:19 AM PT (US)     

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    The 4 CD Anthology set does not have the entire Battle Of Endor music...only a good probably 95% of it I'd say. Still a few bits missing from the 4CD Anthology set for that cue.

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    posted 11-30-2005 04:48 AM PT (US)     

     John Steel
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    True, my point of view concerned the quality of both releases.

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    posted 11-30-2005 05:37 AM PT (US)     

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    Got my second-hand copy in the mail today and am loving it - both for the quality of the content, and for the retro-look and collector value (I wasn't collecting soundtracks back when this was released). Glad I found a copy.

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    posted 12-14-2005 02:40 PM PT (US)     

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    Congrats Camillu. It's definitely worth paying an extra price for it.

    I just made my 2-disc set of ROTJ using cues from the Anthology and the Sony 04 sets. It sounds sooo much better. It's too bad Sony didn't do this when they re-released the score...

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    posted 12-14-2005 03:23 PM PT (US)     

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    What about the pre-Anthology CD releases? Any merit at all for the completist?

    [Message edited by El Cid on 12-16-2005]

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    posted 12-16-2005 07:57 AM PT (US)     

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    Well, if you are a real completest, the merits are in completion.

    Musically, there is no reason to get them. You have better sound and more music on either the anthology or the special edition releases.

    The two CD version of TESB is pretty hard to find. So if the quest does it for you, this might be worth the hunt.

    But how far do you go? LP nuts will tell you that the original LPs have a warmer sound because the analog nature of the recording and the player. Would you buy the LPs for the sake of completeness?

    I guess if you are a Star Wars collector you have to get them all, but as score fans The anthology is probably enough and if you have the RCA releases as well, then you got it all pretty much.

    I have both but usually only listen to the Anthology. I have to confess that I still have my original CD releases as well. But that’s just because I never sell anything.

    [Message edited by MWRuger on 12-16-2005]

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