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    Topic:   classical music fans/help?

     lancer
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    I've just recently found that certain classical scores are starting to draw my attention, what with some of the lackluster scores coming out over the past few years. I dont really know that much about classical music, and here is where I need help. I only own three classical cd's, and this is mainly because I've either heard them in films, or heard people refer to certain composers ripping them off, Holst the planets, Mussorgsky pictures at an exhitition, and of coarse orfs carmina burana. Can any of you refer me to other classical scores comparable to these three, lately I've been wearing these out, especially mars, the bringer of war, and a night on bare mountain. I tend to like the darker brassy stuff.

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    posted 11-12-2005 07:10 AM PT (US)     

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    Where to start, where to start...

    The first thing is that you will want to find one of those used Penguin guide books for classical music. This will give you some suggested recordings that are worth spending money on. Check out your local library too and see what they have that you can borrow and hear.

    Here are just a couple of suggestions for now in no order:

    Prokofiev: Symphony No. 5
    Alexander Nevsky (film score)
    Shostakovich: Symphony No. 7 (Leningrad)
    Mahler: Symphony No. 1, or 4
    Vaughan-Williams: Sea Symphony
    Janacek: Sinfonietta
    Taras Bulba
    Dvorak: Symphony No. 8
    Copland: Symphony No. 3

    These are a few. I can send you a music appreciation type discopgraphy if you want.

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    posted 11-12-2005 08:51 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    And Richard Strauss' tone poems, Also sprach Zarathustra, Till Eulenspiegel, Don Juan and Also sprach Zarathustra.

    If you find anything you like, just try and listen to more stuff by the same composer. Usually, shorter classical pieces will be coupled with stuff by the same or a related composer, so there are some good starting points for further discovery.

    NP: Paulus (Felix Mendelssohn Bartholdy)

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    posted 11-12-2005 08:55 AM PT (US)     

     Dinko
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    I would add:
    Shostakovich: Symphony # 11
    (referred to as the most film score-like of Shostakovich's symphonies)
    Tchaikovsky: Manfred Symphony
    Rimsky-Korsakov: Suites from the operas
    1) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000006N2W/
    2) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004T75Y/
    3) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000001WUJ/
    either those, or
    4) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000000ACB/

    When you listen to those Rimsky-Korsakov pieces, you'll hear where many film scoring cliches come from.

    Rimsky-Korsakov: Scheherazade
    Please avoid the Dutoit/Montreal, Wordsworth/RPO, Svetlanov/LSO and Gergiev/Kirov versions. They'll put you to sleep. Try Jansons, Ormandy, Muti, Yuasa, Temirkanov... there are too many to name.

    I can't believe Sakman mentioned the Dvorak 8th, but not Dvorak's Symphony no 9.

    Tchaikovsky: excerpts from the ballets (The Nutcracker, Swan Lake, Sleeping Beauty).

    Glinka: Orchestral Works & Suites from the Operas

    And of course, some of the sampler compilations can be pretty entertaining. EMI had a couple of "Heavy Classics" albums which can be very nice samplers, and Universal released a "Thunder and Lightning" compilation.

    Hindemith: Symphonic Metamorphosis on the Themes of Carl Maria von Weber

    Puccini without words (Kunzel on Telarc)

    Suppé: overtures

    Verdi: choruses and overtures from the operas

    Rossini: overtures

    Respighi: the tone poems

    Rachmaninoff: Symphonies 1, 2, Symphonic Dances

    Schoenberg: Gurrelieder
    (just listen to the tunes & melodies, the orchestrations, the raw power and the yearning love music, the tragic death scenes, the war cry... it's the world's most overblown film score. 160 musicians, 300 choristers, 6 soloists.)

    Strauss: Vier Letzte Lieder (Four Last Songs)

    Wagner: The Ring without words

    Do yourself a favour though, and avoid most of the Naxos releases by the Czecho-Slovak Radio Symphony Orchestra or any such high school band on the same label. When I was building my music collection, I fell into the trap of thinking "Well, it's the music that counts, so I'll get this Naxos low price thing, it can't be that different, right?" I very soon discovered that a 1960 Sony recording was easily better (on all aspects) than a 1990 digital recording on a cheap label. For the same price as the Naxos, you can get a real orchestra, and an exciting performance in first-rate sound on the Sony Classical Essential Classics series, on the Universal Classics Eloquence series, or the EMI Classics Encore series.
    Naxos has some real gems coming out since 1999 or so, but much of their early catalog (1985-1999) is still filled with second rate performances of the "big" classical composers. Their Shostakovich cycle to take but that is pathetic.

    And of course, you can always explore the film scores of the classical composers. Vaughan Williams on the Chandos label, Shostakovich on many labels.

    And Jem and the Holograms used to sing right before G.I.Joe came on, "it's only the beginning"

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    posted 11-12-2005 09:35 AM PT (US)     

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    Lots of good recommendations above.

    And don't forget MAURICE RAVEL, his Daphnis Et Chloe is an astoundingly magical work that has been very influential (check out Goldsmith's Secret Of NIMH and Legend).

    Vaughan Williams's Symphony # 7 'The Antarctica' is very film music like.....erm, possibly because it was adapted from his film score to Scott Of The Antarctic

    Also check out the concert works of WOJCHIECH KILAR on the NAXOS label, some wonderful and very accessable music there if you like Kilar.

    NP : le Cinema De Michel Legrand

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    posted 11-12-2005 10:48 AM PT (US)     

     lancer
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    Thanks a lot I'm sure these will be great suggestions to build my classical empire. I wont be able to get any of these til next pay day, but I will be getting a few, I'll give you some feed back on which ones I like, which I'm sure will be most(hopefuly), any ways thanks a lot. Im sure I'll get by til then with my three classicals, and hundreds of scores.

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    posted 11-12-2005 01:32 PM PT (US)     

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    I didn't mention the Dvorak 9th because there was more brass writing in the 8th..and I like that one better.

    Also, try the Kalinnikov first symphony, and maybe Howard Hanson's 2nd Symphony.

    Lancer, you should be broke in no time!

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    posted 11-12-2005 02:07 PM PT (US)     

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    more modern stuff:

    Adams' Harmonielehre
    Adams Violin Concerto
    Nyman's MGV
    Corigliano's Symphony No. 1
    Schnittke Concerto grosso No. 4/ Symphony No. 5
    Schnittke Viola Concerto
    Tavener The Protecting Veil
    Rautavaara Symphony No. 7


    any tone poem of the 19th century will do, too. Liszt, Strauss, Smetana....it's all good.


    and there's LOTS of good stuff on the Naxos label from composers most people don't know about, like Zez Confrey (who?). and it's all budget priced to boot.

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    posted 11-12-2005 03:52 PM PT (US)     

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    thanks guys your all great!!! I knew I could count on some good feedback, I dont post here all that often, I'm more of a shadow lurker that enjoys reading the posts, and occasionaly pops in for a few comments, but I consider everyone to be cyber friends(something like that).

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    posted 11-12-2005 09:57 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by JJH:
    and there's LOTS of good stuff on the Naxos label from composers most people don't know about, like Zez Confrey (who?). and it's all budget priced to boot.

    Indeed. That's what Naxos excels at: unknown and underappreciated repertoire.


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    posted 11-12-2005 10:36 PM PT (US)     

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    Is this the Thunder &Lightning CD your referring to? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00000DLUS/

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    posted 11-12-2005 10:48 PM PT (US)     

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    That's the one.

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    posted 11-13-2005 07:42 AM PT (US)     

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    Lancer, many good suggestions above. Apart from all this guiding though, what about listening to classical radio? I've been introduced to an awful lot of great classical music just by putting aside my soundtracks for a while and tuning into classical stations. Very often the music doesn't take my fancy (so I go back to scores - or reading a book, or going out for a walk), but quite frequently there's something that gets my attention, and that sets things up for further investigation. Just this weekend I spent a couple of very pleasant evenings in the armchair exposed to old faves like Prokofiev, Stravinsky etc, but also new names to me like Antonio José Martínez Palacios. There's a whole world out there. I'd say, don't be too impatient, take your time to tune in and accept or reject - it's even an education hearing the stuff you DON'T care for. And you'll be really amazed at how film music doesn't exist as a separate entity from classical - it's all intertwined. The amount of times I've been listening to some unknown classical piece on the radio thinking "Wow, that must be Leonard Rosenman or Jerry Goldsmith", then hear it's some new name to me from 1922 - well, it's just eye (and ear)-opening.

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    posted 11-13-2005 04:51 PM PT (US)     

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    A few suggestions:

    - Dimitri Shostakovich: Symphony no 5
    - Dimitri Shostakovich: Symphony no 11
    - Maurice Ravel: Mother Goose
    - Gustav Mahler: all of his late symphonies
    - Igor Stravinsky: The Rite of Spring
    - Igor Stravinksy: Firebird
    - Aram Khatchaturian: Spartacus
    - Hector Berlioz: Symphonie Fantastique
    - John Adams: Short Ride in a Fast Machine

    and a few that are a little more demanding perhaps:

    - Gyorgi Ligeti: Atmospheres
    - Edgard Varese: Arcana
    - John Corigliano: Symphony no 1
    - Kyrzysztof Penderecki: Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima

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    posted 11-14-2005 02:41 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by lancer:
    thanks guys your all great!!! I knew I could count on some good feedback, I dont post here all that often, I'm more of a shadow lurker that enjoys reading the posts, and occasionaly pops in for a few comments, but I consider everyone to be cyber friends(something like that).

    Glad to be of service

    Let us all know which works you'll take the plunge with and what you think of them?

    Tim


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    posted 11-14-2005 10:50 AM PT (US)     

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    I recently picked up Essential Rachmaninov on Decca. I'm only part way through the first CD, but its nice, Vladimir Ashkenazy plays piano on many of the tracks, he conducts some of them as well.

    (http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Rachmaninov-Anatole-Fistoulari/dp/B00005Y2JD/

    Any Rachmaninov fans here? Do you think it's a good sampler of his work? Any glaring omitions?

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    posted 10-09-2006 04:26 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Timmer:
    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by lancer:
    [b]thanks guys your all great!!! I knew I could count on some good feedback, I dont post here all that often, I'm more of a shadow lurker that enjoys reading the posts, and occasionaly pops in for a few comments, but I consider everyone to be cyber friends(something like that).
    <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Glad to be of service

    Let us all know which works you'll take the plunge with and what you think of them?

    Tim

    [/B]


    Almost a year ago now Lancer, how did you get on? what did you go for? Are you still lurking/posting?


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