The statement is wrong in so many ways.

1) Member in question is not the only one posting on the board.

2) Insults hurled toward everyone else.

3) No longer visiting a place because of someone else's participation is farcical.

It's been said before, and completely obvious: make this place worth visiting by participating in the way you think is best instead of sitting sidelined and barking out only when you have complaints.

Am I the only one who thinks this way? Considering this board's lasted for 5 years or so, I am guessing not.

I am still insulted by this kind of attitude on this board. People have no one else to blame but themselves if they don't like the way the board is.

Frankly, I've enjoyed this place lately, especially the posts from Lou Goldberg, who, if you asked me three years ago, I thought would be the last person to take the reins and try and steer some good, quality discussion on movie music. I won't forget Lou's bad boy days... and I am glad he likes to talk about movie music more than cursing and swearing because it's fun to be a bad boy.

People like Zimmerito are thriving on the attention everyone is giving him. I am already bored of his song and dance, but entertained by his twisted comprehension of english. Sooner or later, he'll be bored of the song and dance and will transform, or leave.

What happens here depends on the user, as long as they feel they can exercise their freedoms as they wish, and they typically do; as they should, since they have a right to their opinions. Peter's worked hard to keep things that way here. I can't say I don't feel it isn't like a free-for-all whe I'm over at FSM's message boards, but that is also my small interpretation of that board. It can be just as useful a place as this board is. Again, it comes down to personal choices.

So if SFT wants to leave, at least its because he can choose to, and my point is that inherently, there is something positive to that in reflection to this board. Maybe some of you out there feel the same way.

Of course, I could just be on crack, or something.

At the same time, zimmerito is hardly a new phenomenon. He's not bad, he's just ubiquitous. And I can't blame him for having more enthusiasm than us "old timers" who all tired long, long ago of the sort of threads he starts. On top of that, there's just not a lot going on in film music right now that interests me (which is why I've been so enthusiastic about Lou's threads on the state of film music).

So I understand SFT, and I understand Peter, and I even understand zimmerito. I guess I've just become too jaded to care whether people participate or not. Unfortunately, I'm also too jaded to feel like spending my free time (of which I don't have much) starting discussions that will amount to nothing more than talking to myself. I can (and do) accomplish that without a message board.

I don't think anyone is to blame. It's just the way things happen.

Kirk, understood. My response wasn't necessarily aimed at starting good discussions as much as it was participating to the level in discussions others might start. No ideas why some discussions drop dead after you've posted... perhaps you've said everything there is to say?? I understand where the frustration is there.

Three levels of difficulty when participating in message boards:

1) Most difficult: starting an excellent discussion that has many thoughtful and rewarding replies.

2) Not as difficult, but still takes thought: participating in (replying to) discussions that are meaningful.

3) The least difficult, perhaps the easiest thing to do with the weakest character: barking out how much the place sucks or ripping into others for what you may think is an inadequate response.

People can lose serious interest in movie music, sure, but if so, does it make sense to turn this place against itself by saying the people are to blame? This is some seriously hypocritical scapegoating. Perhaps we're not interested in the music anymore, or we've exhausted all the different ways we can talk about movie music that has become more and more homogenous over the last decade.

Honesty, please, that's all I want to hear. It's a lot less insulting.

This thread is not about you, and no one should be blaming you for anything other than your replies, which seem to be shot from the hip without any focus or understanding. This has nothing to do with bad english, either.

It's good to have guys like Zimmerito around (much like Andre Lux) they add the spark to the gasoline.

Or let me put it another way, I was always a "bad boy" in response to other people being jerks. They have to start it, I just try to finish it

As for swearing or giving composers or other posters a hard time, I'm not beyond that now. I've just had no real reason of late to be that way. I've bashed Horner, Media Ventures, and Sonic Wallpaper into the ground and have enough supporters on my side who feel the same ways about them I do. All that bashing still hasn't hurt their paychecks any so no one cares and I'm not wearing myself out over it. The world no longer needs me to point out that having Gabriel Yared score TROY and getting dropped for Horner is a bad thing. They finally get it. And if some deluded fool wants to defend Horner here, maybe a few years back, I'd pull out the fly-swatter on them, but now I've got better things to do than play exterminator.

And, if you look back over just about EVERY SINGLE GODDAMMED MOTHERR F-CKING POST I EVER WROTE HERE, they were ALWAYS about good quality discussion on film music. Curses or no curses, I always talked about ideas regarding film music, then and now. Just because I was angry between sentences (usually with every right to be) doesn't mean that I wasn't saying viable and valuable things nearly every time I went to post.

Don't try for an instant to reduce that contribution to nothingness just because the form wasn't to your liking. Tu con.

Clayton

You also know that I have always had serious stuff to discuss even if there isn't that much more new to say about any of it that people haven't heard from me already anymore. But, to be fair, you weren't the only bureaucrat to say "if you don't send it in the proper format, we can't accept it."

Still, just because language can be emotional and have a rough edge doesn't make it any less of anything. In fact, sometimes the opposite. William Burroughs, Henry Miller, Jim Carroll, and Jim Thompson never wrote about film music but I wouldn't want either their style or their content to change one iota. If any of these guys had shown up here to talk film music, I could see you standing in the center island trying to direct traffic and being blown off the map by the sheer gale force of brilliance about you.

Or put another way, what do you want from me, Sonic Lou-paper? Well, f-ck that!And I should be able to say **** that but your damn ass-terix won't let me.

However, you said it yourself... "I've just had no real reason of late to be that way," and that's all I was suggesting in my first post. Maybe you have a point in trying to politicize this to the heavens once again, but in reality, it was a simple observation.

There is no intent to lessen good conversation marred with rage, or serve insult by praising an alternate style of discourse. I'm simply hollerin' "hi-ho" for the good conversation without the rage, as has been happening. Nothing more.

As far as everyone's comments, I can see each point in each view. Before I joined this year I had lurked about these boards for, sadly, around two or three years and I, too, have noticed a lot of changes in both people's attitudes, the alliances, and the insanity that encompasses a lot of your conversations. The thing is, everyone has a different view; so SFT not posting often because he feels some of us have lost touch or whatever it is he feels - fine, he can feel that way. And Peter is right, why visit and mock what is has "become" if you're not even willing to participate in the good threads we have here? And Zim's comments are relevant too, because lately he has become the butt of many of our jokes; so we need to let him off the hook sometimes. And like scoreguy said, if you don't care for our boards or even the FSM boards, don't bother coming and telling us. Go to the IMDb boards and talk with those folks about film scores and listen to them tell how great Horner and Zimmer are. Here? Here we have diversity.

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Originally posted by Crono/Kyp:
I've been here since day one. Times change, people come and go, but the hard core people, the "origianls" so to speak most of us are still here...while we may not post like we used to, we're still aorund, lurking in the shadows.

--Brian

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Amen brother.

Some of us originals just disappear for years at a time, but we pop up every once in a while.

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Originally posted by Lou Goldberg:

Hey, I'd forgotten what fun being a bad boy is. Thanks Pete for reminding me [/B]

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Thank God you remembered! Cause even though I don't post much anymore, I'm always checking in here, and just love "Lou, the Bad Boy's" posts!

For your penance: three relaxing Morricones and one smooth Mancini.

Time to chill!

And I'm still a bad boy (and I can tell you like 'em too, don't you?). I've just become a tad more subtle about it. I thought Luscious Lazlo was ragging on me in a couple of posts so I teased his manhood ("What kind of a man calls himself luscious?") and implied he was just gay ("Go crawl back under your Rock.") but maybe it was just too subtle. You're right, I should've just cut to the crass and swore at him in ALL CAPS and had done with it.

I like to play the trickster, but that's certainly not all I'm about. But I've yet to figure out if zimmerito has anything of value to say beyond tricksterism or setting himself up as a punching bag. Of course, that doesn't matter since his tricksterism itself is entertaining enough--he makes Dr. Smith look comatose: "ha, ha, why I so unloved, no one here joke can take." I don't like to be pinned down either but the small z is the king of slippery, stinging first, then hiding behind an oiled-down shield of defense mechanisms.

In any case, as I tried to say earlier, it's only our conservative leadership who sees a value in middle-class decorum. Not only is it a bad, restrictive idea, but as usual, it misses that the wacked-out alternative people add the only spice to be had around here. Everyone else is a Stepford Wife and without the likes of the ever-annoying z, the place is really dull as church.

I have never been someone who posted much (if I have 20 posts I'd be surprised). But I visit here everyday, like clockwork, to check out what's going on in the moviemusic world. And at certain times, with certain topics, I feel the urge to voice my opinion. And my own flavor of bull**** of course.

But Peter, I understand your frustration, and I think it's warranted. But I think it's also important take comfort in the fact that this place (I hope) isn't going to disappear, and neither are the great discussions about moviemusic.

Ed Otten

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Holy Crap! I have 114 posts. I've been talking more than I thought! Where do I find the time?

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Oh yeah, people stick around because they're a fan of film scores and there aren't that many messageboards to discuss film scores. Those who have been here a long time know that there are regulars who will be here till PeterK dies, and those that come and go. It's a community of people. Those who leave because of one or two individuals are not going be around for the long haul anyway.