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Jeremy Standard Userer	Two clips posted: "This is the Night" A song included on the soundtrack from the Yule Ball Sequence "The Story Continues" The first track from the soundtrack featuring the beginnings of Patricks Doyles' Score. http://www.ateaseweb.com/news/archive/2005/10/exclusive_harry.php (Courtesy of Mugglenet.com) I'm loving what I hear from the score, very exciting! Cheers, Jeremy [Message edited by Jeremy on 10-20-2005]
posted 10-20-2005 08:27 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Good stuff, dammit. Doyle is a superhero in need of a pickle. He keeps my movie music fire burning. Ok, so he needs his own fantasy trilogy, quadrilogy or whathaveyou.
posted 10-20-2005 08:48 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Woot! --Bri (This guy sitting next to me said it sounded like "Batman." lol
posted 10-20-2005 09:10 PM PT (US)

Shaun Rutherford Standard Userer	Sweet to see a link to ateaseweb.com on the moviemusic site. Viva la Radiohead or whatever. Anyway, I love Doyle's interpolation of the Williams theme. Is it me, or does it just sound sleeker, classier? Shaun
posted 10-20-2005 09:59 PM PT (US)

Al Standard Userer	Too cool.
posted 10-20-2005 11:13 PM PT (US)

James Standard Userer	I honestly thought this thread was titled "Goblet of Fish Chips" when I clicked on it. Anyway, it sounds extremely promising. I don't know if the theme necessarily sounds "classier," but it definitely sounds more serious and adult, whereas with Williams it was playfully mischievous at its heaviest. Not that there was anything wrong with that; it suited the films he scored. This version suits this story. Kirk
posted 10-21-2005 01:11 AM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	I almost thought you said you thought this thread was titled "Goblet of Fish Chips" until you licked on it.
posted 10-21-2005 01:52 AM PT (US)

Incanus Non-Standard Userer	Cool! I am definitely buying this even with those Jarvis Cocker song ruining the end of the album. Doyle's cue sounded cool and dark (it is great things are turning darker in HP universe). Still I wish Williams would have had a chance top write darker material for the series. First two Potters were Columbus films and he obviously wanted a more sugary sound to them and Williams had to oblige. Third Potter was darker and Williams' score followed the lead and it is the best of the first three (first score coming a close second). They are still great but the darker the film the more dramatic the music tends to get so Doyle had a good chance here to write great music.
posted 10-21-2005 02:03 AM PT (US)

Camillu Standard Userer	In related news, it appears that Imelda Staunton (Vera Drake) has been cast as Dolores Umbridge for the 5th film. Here's a recent pic. I think she looks the part. http://www.handbag.com/graphics/library3/imeldastaunton.jpg Although I still think they should go with CGI and use this woman as Umbridge [Message edited by Camillu on 10-21-2005]
posted 10-21-2005 05:28 AM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	Finally a mature statement of Hedwig's Theme! I desperately missed that in Williams' scores.
posted 10-21-2005 06:02 AM PT (US)

Incanus Non-Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by gkgyver: Finally a mature statement of Hedwig's Theme! I desperately missed that in Williams' scores. To me it sounds rather buried in the orchestra than mature. The darker tone is still good.
posted 10-21-2005 07:14 AM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	It probably underscores a scene in which we overlook the Riddle house and the title appears briefly, but Doyle didn't want to interrupt the flow of the cue by giving it a full statement. But I shouldn't blame Williams. The earlier films didn't exactly ask for a grown up statement.
posted 10-21-2005 01:58 PM PT (US)

rkeaveney Standard Userer	Tracks are gone. 404. Ryan
posted 10-21-2005 07:02 PM PT (US)

Dalboz Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by rkeaveney: Tracks are gone. 404. Here ya go
posted 10-22-2005 10:36 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	Listen to the complete score here: http://music.aol.com/artist/main.adp?tab=album&albumid=802181
posted 10-24-2005 04:39 PM PT (US)

Lancelot Standard Userer	Who the hell is Frank...?
posted 10-24-2005 05:11 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	Frank lives in the Riddles' old manor. At the beginning of the film, he discovers that Tom Riddle/ Voldemort returned to the house and gets killed by him.
posted 10-24-2005 05:28 PM PT (US)

Jeremy Standard Userer	I only hear two or three statements of the established harry potter theme and no clear cohearant themes... A few interesting motifs though and some wonderful orchestrations!
posted 10-24-2005 10:41 PM PT (US)

Al Standard Userer	I hear many clear, coherent themes. Not many of them seem to be recurring on album, but I'll wager that this is not so within the film itself. A lot of these tracks are wonderfully self-contained pieces of music, satisfying in themselves. "Golden Egg" is an awesome piece, and I mean that in the more archaic sense of something that creates awe.
posted 10-25-2005 01:15 AM PT (US)

zimmerito Standard Userer	im listening this score. well,thematically is not so great like the previous scores,but i love the new sound by doyle.Much more dramatic.Im not a great fan of john williams sound,and this is more my coup of tea. But,the thematic element is no so strong here. I think my favourite Potter score still is Azkaban.
posted 10-25-2005 01:47 AM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	"Hogwart's March" is the single worst musical cue I've heard in a veeeery long time.
posted 10-25-2005 03:30 AM PT (US)

zimmerito Standard Userer	yes,i don't like this track either. its too comical for my taste. And i think this track doesn't fit very well with hogwarts spirit. but just is my opinion. Now i finished to listen the full score and i'm a little disapointed.
posted 10-25-2005 03:43 AM PT (US)

John Steel Non-Standard Userer	I haven't heard the music yet, how many songs does the album include? just 1? I'm sure Doyle rose up to expectations, that single cue was great (1st track). I'm happy to hear a new composer taking over HP.
posted 10-25-2005 05:21 AM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	Believe me, Doyle certainly doesn't live up to the expectations. That 1st cue on the album is one of the best on the entire album!
posted 10-25-2005 05:38 AM PT (US)

Frank V Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by John Steel: I haven't heard the music yet, how many songs does the album include? just 1? The CD has three songs at the end (about 11 minutes). Doyle's music is wonderful. I'm not dissapointed at all. The CD is 76 minutes long.
posted 10-25-2005 05:39 AM PT (US)

Frank V Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by gkgyver: Believe me, Doyle certainly doesn't live up to the expectations. Then don't have high expectations!
posted 10-25-2005 05:42 AM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	There was every reason to have high expectations for GoF, especially after that great first track that leaked some days ago. And what point are you trying to make? Should I lower my expectations just because Williams left the project? Or because Doyle failed to capture the spirit of Harry Potter? It's HARRY POTTER, anything else but high expectations wouldn't do the movie any justice.
posted 10-25-2005 07:30 AM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Standard Userer	Well I'm a huge John Williams fan but I must say I'm impressed with what Doyle has done with this score so far.
posted 10-25-2005 07:43 AM PT (US)

zimmerito Standard Userer	gkgyver we have the same opinion here?really???i can't believe it!INCREDIBLE! its the first time! I'm with u.
posted 10-25-2005 08:07 AM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Frank V: Then don't have high expectations! Good suggestion. I expected crap, and it turned out ok.
posted 10-25-2005 08:21 AM PT (US)

Frank V Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by gkgyver: There was every reason to have high expectations for GoF, especially after that great first track that leaked some days ago. And what point are you trying to make? Should I lower my expectations just because Williams left the project? Or because Doyle failed to capture the spirit of Harry Potter? It's HARRY POTTER, anything else but high expectations wouldn't do the movie any justice. When people have high expectations they will be dissapointed most of the time. And how do you know Doyle has failed to capture the spirit of Harry Potter. Did you watch the movie yet? I don't think so. Doyle writes different music than Williams does, so don't aspect it's sounding like Williams.
posted 10-25-2005 08:47 AM PT (US)

Swashbuckler Standard Userer	Wow. This is a very different approach to the material than Williams... and I like it. This score is much darker than the other three because it has to be, but there is an operatic element to this one that not even the first film attempted. The palette is thicker and heavier, but it also encompasses some very grand pieces for the Quidditch World Cup and the Triwizard Tournament and more florid and bubbly cues such as "Myrtle's Move." It is a bold, old fashioned score, very much in the vein of Indochine or Secondhand Lions. This is the type of thing that Doyle excells at, and there is no attempt to mimic Williams' style. The score will definitely fit the film, judging from my knowledge of the book and what footage I've seen thus far. In fact, it's everything I hoped it would be, a large-scale epic fantasy score. Judging from the score, this film will be much, much darker than even the last one. "The Golden Egg" and "The Black Lake" are powerhouse action cues that maintain a sense of wonder. "Voldemort" closes with a truly spectacular orchestral passage that I can only assume is for the Priori Incantatum. The mournful "Cedric" is one of Doyle's wrenching elegies, similar to the one heard in Carlito's Way. Doyle has indeed carried over Williams' Hedwig's theme, and it is perhaps the area of the score that most marks his own identity. It is completely different from the playful quotations in the previous two films. I don't mind in the least, because it sounds fantastic in its new, much darker arrangements. Doyle uses Hedwig's theme sparingly on the album, and has retained none of Williams' other material. Williams himself, however, took the first step towards why this works by jettisoning all of his own thematic material from the first two films save Hedgwig's theme (and a brief quotation of other Harry Potter theme at the very end) in his score for Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. That score was substantially different in many ways from its predecessors, and so the change from one composer to the next, especially considering that Hedwig's theme remains a common thread, is a reasonably smooth one. The three songs that close out the album are apparently meant to play at the Yule Ball, but they don't really sound like they belong... these might be album versions of music that will appear in the film... or something. I don't know.
posted 10-25-2005 09:42 AM PT (US)

James Standard Userer	This is the sort of thing that disappoints you people? "No wonder I never visit here anymore." But seriously, I don't understand. This is a serious, detailed, masterfully orchestrated score brimming with strong themes and cues exciting, playful, touching, and frightening. It has a classy, seasoned style that sounds like no one but Patrick Doyle (aside from the hints of Bernard Herrmann). I was honestly staggered throughout the entire listen. Patrick Doyle is kicking everone's asses, and you're disappointed. You people are crazy. Your ideas are so foreign to me that I don't even know how to argue with them. Kirk NP - Two English Girls (Georges Delerue) [Message edited by James on 10-25-2005]
posted 10-25-2005 02:57 PM PT (US)

Al Standard Userer	Thank you, Swash and James!
posted 10-25-2005 03:46 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	Hey, I don't like it as much as Williams efforts, so what? Is that the absolute final sin? It's not my fault, I'm a victim of my brain Sorry, I should have added that it doesn't say Potter TO ME. I haven't seen the film yet, sure, but why should that be a valid point? Harry Potter, films, books and music, have a certain feel and atmosphere, and both, film and score, need to reflect that. If the movie also lacks this Potterish touch, then it doesn't matter how well Doyle captured the feel of the film, then they both failed in this matter. Well, Zimmerito, miracles can actually happen. It's not so much your opinion that bothers me, it's your behaviour.
posted 10-25-2005 04:17 PM PT (US)

zimmerito Standard Userer	Do you know what i don't like about you Rkgyver??? YOu come to this forum,see my nick,and start to say me "oh! I can't believe Zimmerito can listen Goldenthal". Its awersome,because in other thread you confess you don't like goldsmith and you confess yo just has heard 5 or 6 score by him(Alien,Supergirl...) You don't have respect for me,and its possible that i had listened much more music than u. this is the problem with u.BUt You was the first to say bad things about me when I didn't know you.
posted 10-26-2005 05:14 PM PT (US)

zimmerito Standard Userer	oh...for the other people. I had listened goblet of fire 5 or 6 times.Its a very well orchestrated dark score,but i don't like what doyle has done with this score.Maybe in the movie will fit fantastically,but don't listen the score without the movie is tiresome. And of course ,now the people start to say bad things about me just because I confess i don't like this score.the people who ask for respect for all the composers and all the users,is always the first to attack to anyone who don't like the "respect" composers. A open mind.And respect for all the opinions. thanks.
posted 10-26-2005 05:20 PM PT (US)

gkgyver Standard Userer	"I don't know what your parents did to you!" (Elaine, "Seinfeld" Season 1) a) "to disagree" is not a synonym for "to insult" b) if you'd have valid points and another attitude, you'd get proper answers and c) I can't see what Goldenthal has to do with Goldsmith.
posted 10-26-2005 05:25 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	Why did I take so long to respond to this? Don't answer that! Anyways, the clips sound great and Hedwig's theme in "The Story Continues" is beyond perfect. I can't wait to get my grubby little fingers on Doyle's music. It's gonna be a good holiday season with this and JNH's King Kong, Debney's Zathura, Williams' Memoirs of a Geisha and I assume Munich is still to be released in time for Christmas, so that will be another Williams score to anticipate (here's to Spielberg and hoping he doesn't fail us with that picture).
posted 10-27-2005 11:42 AM PT (US)

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