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Kevin
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Oscar-winning director Robert Wise diesK
posted 09-15-2005 07:18 AM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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My newspaper's obituary lists several Wise movies (including, of course West Side Story, and also mentioning his work on Citizen Kane) - but they ignore the two I've actually seen: Star Trek TMP (not his best movie I suppose, but probably one of his best-known) and the excellent The Haunting.
posted 09-15-2005 08:54 AM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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One of the editing legends...he will be missed.--Brian
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posted 09-15-2005 09:45 AM PT (US) 
PeterK

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A Hollywood biggie. Big long good life. Thanks for directing The Day the Earth Stood Still.
posted 09-15-2005 10:52 AM PT (US) 
nuts_score

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PK stole the words right from my mouth. "The Day the Earth Stood Still" still stands (no pun intended) as the hallmark, untouchable, original classic sci-fi motion picture. The original "The Haunting" is no different in terms of horror films and its impact. The man has so much underappreciated talent to his name that it really is sad to see someone of his stature amongst the real greats. He also had a huge impact with sound being used in film - in particular, music with "The Sound of Music" and "The West Side Story" - and we are all very appreciative of him on this site. Godspeed Mr. Wise; thank you for all of the hard work and dedication that you put forth so that other directors might follow in your footsteps.[Message edited by nuts_score on 09-15-2005]
posted 09-15-2005 11:27 AM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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I have mixed feelings about Robert Wise. He may have been the editor of CITIZEN KANE, but my major objection is that I hold him responsible for destroying THE MAGNIFICENT AMBERSONS. Instead of defending Welles and his version, Wise jumped in to cut it and re-shoot scenes and defended his position even recently.Wise made some very good B films first with Val Lewton and then on his own. For the most part, he was a solid director. And a lot of key composers worked on films he directed. I'm not sure if Wise deliberately valued good music in his films or was just lucky to get good composers to be a part of them but no matter.
posted 09-28-2005 01:39 AM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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An obit in Time Magazine sites that Wise took heat for destroying AMBERSONS that he never should have since Welles basically abandoned it.I don't buy it.
But the rest of the obit was wonderful, recognizing that Wise's stylistic invisibility was an asset even if no one ever thought of him as an auteur.
I didn't mention it but I was able to meet him just a few years back in Ann Arbor. His grandaughter attended school here and he would come to visit her. One visit he made public with a screening of The Haunting and a Q&A session afterwards. I talked with him then and then later saw him on the street and talked with him some more.
posted 09-28-2005 05:18 PM PT (US) 
filmfactsman

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I got to know Robert Wise the last few years through Fay Kanin. He used to eat lunch almost every day at Islands Cafe in Beverly Hills. I would sometimes go over and join him and his adorable wife for lunch. What a thrill. He was fascinating to talk with and listen to and very much interested in film music. Believe it or not, with all the classic films he made, his favorite was THE HAUNTING, "a film which didn't make a dime at the box-office" (his quote). His wife's Is THE SOUND OF MUSIC. If you'd have met her, you'd swear she was Maria Von Trapp's sister!My favorite Wise film is THE SAND PEBBLES (with that magnificent Goldmith score!)
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posted 09-28-2005 06:05 PM PT (US) 
Al

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I love The Set-Up too. What a nice tight movie. I miss movies like that: short on length and long on substance.There's a Val Lewton DVD collection coming out Oct 4, for those interested, has the two films Wise directed. I'm gonna pick it up.
posted 09-28-2005 06:43 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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Dang, my small namedropping can't compare with yours Filmfactsman. So you hung out with both Wise and Fay Kanin. Who else do you know out in LA?At the Q&A session he was asked which film he liked the most and he didn't say it was The Haunting which we had just seen. What he said was "The Sound of Music has had such an impact on audiences worldwide that I recognize it as the most special of my films." Which isn't really the same as calling it a favorite.
There is a story that during the making of it Julie Andrews went up to Wise and said "This film is just corn" or something to that effect and Wise supposedly replied, "I know. I know."
He also defended his position on Ambersons by saying that the film previewed badly and that there wasn't much that could be done in any case because, "With the start of WW2, people just weren't interested in the Ambersons and their problems."
He may have been right but I guess I'm too upset over it all to let Wise off the hook.
posted 09-30-2005 12:12 AM PT (US) 
filmfactsman

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quote:
Originally posted by Lou Goldberg:
Dang, my small namedropping can't compare with yours Filmfactsman. So you hung out with both Wise and Fay Kanin. Who else do you know out in LA?At the Q&A session he was asked which film he liked the most and he didn't say it was The Haunting which we had just seen. What he said was "The Sound of Music has had such an impact on audiences worldwide that I recognize it as the most special of my films." Which isn't really the same as calling it a favorite.
There is a story that during the making of it Julie Andrews went up to Wise and said "This film is just corn" or something to that effect and Wise supposedly replied, "I know. I know."
He also defended his position on Ambersons by saying that the film previewed badly and that there wasn't much that could be done in any case because, "With the start of WW2, people just weren't interested in the Ambersons and their problems."
He may have been right but I guess I'm too upset over it all to let Wise off the hook.
Unfortunately, most of the people I know are quickly dying off. I was only really interested in getting to know the true legends in film and music. Sadly, there aren't very many left. Most actors and directors won't tell an audience what their really favorite film is, out of fear of offending those who don't agree. But when you get to talk to them one-on-one, it's sometimes amazing what you can learn about them. I hate to name drop again but Julie Andrews told me that her favorite movie was THE AMERICANIZATION OF EMILY.
posted 09-30-2005 01:15 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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So FFM who else have you met (living or not) and how were you able to meet them?
posted 10-03-2005 11:47 PM PT (US) 
filmfactsman

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quote:
Originally posted by Lou Goldberg:
So FFM who else have you met (living or not) and how were you able to meet them?I met a lotta legends, but that's because I'm a member of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences and screenings and other functions. The nicest person I met recently was Sidney Poitier. He came and spoke at a screening of "In the Heat of the Night" that we held at Santa Monica College. I've run into him a few times since at Academy functions. He was one of the very few people that I was deeply impressed with--mnostly for his modestly (he goes places all by himself in his own car).
The most exciting time was meeting Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor at a party for a play they were doing in Los Angeles ("Private Lives")in the early '80s. I was much more interested in meeting HIM. He's my favorite actor.
I wish I'd met Hitch. Some of my friends did but I did attend his memorial in Beverly Hills back in 1980. I snuck in with an actor friend of mine (I was in college at the time at UCLA) and I signed the "Friends & family" guest book while he signed the "Universal Studios" guest book. If I told you the actor friend's name (he was an unknown at the time), you'd never believe it and think that I was name-dropping again! So I can't.
posted 10-04-2005 05:40 PM PT (US) 
filmfactsman

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quote:
Originally posted by Lou Goldberg:
So FFM who else have you met (living or not) and how were you able to meet them?I met a lotta legends, but that's because I'm a member of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences and screenings and other functions. The nicest person I met recently was Sidney Poitier. He came and spoke at a screening of "In the Heat of the Night" that we held at Santa Monica College. I've run into him a few times since at Academy functions. He was one of the very few people that I was deeply impressed with--mnostly for his modestly (he goes places all by himself in his own car).
The most exciting time was meeting Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor at a party for a play they were doing in Los Angeles ("Private Lives")in the early '80s. I was much more interested in meeting HIM. He's my favorite actor.
I wish I'd met Hitch. Some of my friends did but I did attend his memorial in Beverly Hills back in 1980. I snuck in with an actor friend of mine (I was in college at the time at UCLA) and I signed the "Friends & family" guest book while he signed the "Universal Studios" guest book. If I told you the actor friend's name (he was an unknown at the time), you'd never believe it and think that I was name-dropping again! So I can't.
posted 10-04-2005 05:42 PM PT (US) 
Luscious Lazlo

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I recently read Forever Liesl by Charmian Carr (who was one of the von Trapp brats). She expressed resentment toward Wise because he treated the kid-actors like slave-labor. The Brats did a buttload of publicity gigs for no money. So Charmian finally put her foot down and said: enough of this crap.Hey Lou: At that screening of The Haunting, did you or Wise or anyone say anything about Humphrey Searle's ham-fisted crappadelic music? If Wise had no compunction about trashing The Magnificent Ambersons, he could at least have deleted the crap out of Searle's crappy music. (Oh and uh, by the way: the magic word-of-the-day is "CRAP".)
[Message edited by Luscious Lazlo on 10-20-2005]
posted 10-20-2005 05:29 PM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

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You know LL I had an opportunity to talk with Wise about Searle, Herrmann, Goldsmith, Previn, Moross, and his take on film music in general and I didn't pursue it. When I met Norman Corwin it was a given I'd discuss Herrmann but with Wise, I was more content to listen to what he said to other people's questions. I wish I'd talked about Val Lewton actually, but oddly, I pissed away that opportunity too.
posted 10-20-2005 07:51 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
