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meegle Standard Userer	Hey all, I'm going to be teaching a short class on filmscores in October. Does anyone know of dvds out there where you can take out the score and watch a film without the music and then put it back in? Basically what I'm looking to do is show the students a scene or scenes with and without music. I've no idea if these exist or not. help?!
posted 09-10-2005 08:15 AM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Standard Userer	Certain DVD's feauture things like that. I know Dinosaur does (it's a whole audio mix demonstration). So does The Day After Tomorrow. Clayton
posted 09-10-2005 03:06 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	The version of "I, Robot" that Fox released earlier in the year contains Marco Beltrami's remarkable (considering the time in which it was written) score in it's isolated form; he also provides a commentary. The same for his "Blade II" (sans commentary); Isham's "Blade 1" has the same feature (I don't know why New Line skipped out on Djawadi's score for "Trinity", which wasn't that bad once removed from the pulsating RZA beats). Those are the only ones that come to mind at the moment.
posted 09-10-2005 11:06 PM PT (US)

Foobsie Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by nuts_score: The version of "I, Robot" that Fox released earlier in the year contains Marco Beltrami's remarkable (considering the time in which it was written) score in it's isolated form; he also provides a commentary. Euh where have I been! This is so true... The iso score: is it on the regular widescreen edition as well? Or just on the "I, Robot: All-Access Collector's Edition"? FoobsZ
posted 09-11-2005 01:59 AM PT (US)

Foobsie Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by scoreguy16: Certain DVD's feauture things like that. I know Dinosaur does (it's a whole audio mix demonstration). So does The Day After Tomorrow. Clayton Euh Dinosaur and the day after tomorrow have an isolated score? Since when? FoobsZ
posted 09-11-2005 02:00 AM PT (US)

meegle Standard Userer	I think I have a list of isolated score DVD's but what I'm looking for are dvd's that have a feature where u can watch a film WITHOUT the score.
posted 09-11-2005 09:46 AM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Foobsie: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by nuts_score: [b]The version of "I, Robot" that Fox released earlier in the year contains Marco Beltrami's remarkable (considering the time in which it was written) score in it's isolated form; he also provides a commentary. <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> Euh where have I been! This is so true... The iso score: is it on the regular widescreen edition as well? Or just on the "I, Robot: All-Access Collector's Edition"? FoobsZ [/B] Hey Foobsie, it's only on the All-Access Collector's Edition; I also discovered that the cue on the Varese release, "Chicago 2035", doesn't exist in the film but instead the beginning of "Round Up" underscores that scene. Beltrami comments on it as well. Great commentary by the way. I was hoping that "Blade II"'s iso score had commentary, but it doesn't; still one of his best scores. Does anyone know if any of Brian Tyler's works have an isolated score amongst them? I only own the "Constantine" and "Six-String Samurai" DVDs and they don't contain them (sad face).
posted 09-11-2005 12:57 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by meegle: I think I have a list of isolated score DVD's but what I'm looking for are dvd's that have a feature where u can watch a film WITHOUT the score. I'm not to sure about this meegle, I'll have to check through my own DVD collection to see what I can come up with.
posted 09-11-2005 12:59 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Standard Userer	There's a sound demo featurette on the expanded Two Towers DVD, where you can listen to the separate elements that make up a soundtrack of a brief sequence of the Helm's Deep battle. One option is the music track, but as far as I remember, you cannot disable only the music. (Side note: One of the sound tracks in that sequence also has a wonderfully clear Wilhelm near the end)
posted 09-11-2005 01:53 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Pick movie scenes that use music as the number #1 factor in setting mood (even before images, but not necessarily). These are scenes without any dialogue at all. To show the power of music, simply let people watch the scene with the volume turned down, then replay it with the volume up. One particular scene that comes to mind is the entire opening and elk hunt from Last of the Mohicans. Watching without any music is much different than watching with. There's also the first twenty minutes of Conan the Barbarian. For the classic "classroom" example, you can do this with the murder scene in Psycho. The music has great effect. As I sit here and think of some of my favorite music moments in movies, I am thinking of the scene in The Horse Whisperer where Grace gets on the horse again after all the therapy... the music cue is called "Grace" on the score CD, music by Thomas Newman. Beautiful. Any scores by Patrick Doyle are good too. His music is remarkable. The music underscoring Henry V's speech to his group before heading into the fight is fantastic. There's dialogue in this scene, but turning the volume down and rewatching again with it up is quite moving. This is the 1989 movie, the track on the CD is called "St. Crispin's Day (The Battle Of Agincourt)." You can pick lots of examples from favorite films, because most of the time, favorite films become favorites due in part to the movie music. Superman, Gone with the Wind, Star Wars... all of 'em!
posted 09-12-2005 12:23 AM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	If your class gets this far (how could it in one day?!!), you can show examples of pressure by studios, producers, whomevers, to override score in favor of songs. A great example is "Where's My Cheesecake?" from the Carlito's Way score CD (again, Patrick Doyle). See the movie, hear the song. See the movie again, turn the volume down, sync up this score track with the scene, and voila. Perfect scoring that was "not good enough" for whatever reason.
posted 09-12-2005 12:27 AM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Foobsie: Euh Dinosaur and the day after tomorrow have an isolated score? Since when? FoobsZ They're not isolated scores, it's audio demonstrations for specific scenes in the movies where you can take out the music. In Dinosaur it's when there's the meteor shower, in The Day After Tomorrow it's when the holicopter freezes and crashes. Unbreakabale is another one that has it for the Train Station sequence. Clayton
posted 09-12-2005 10:59 AM PT (US)

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