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Topic: What are your thoughts on Gibbs'/McCready's new "Battlestar Galactica"?

nuts_score

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I was browsing for some scores I might be interested in and came across some that will be adorning my cart with no second thought: "Brothers Grimm" and "Hellraiser Chronicles" (currently out of stock but I talked to PK and he's trying to get me a copy). Anyways, I'm looking for some others, and came across the scores for the new "Battlestar Galactica" with music from both Richard Gibbs and Bear McCreary. I noticed there weren't any reviews up on either page and was wondering if anyone has any thoughts or some links to reviews outside of mm.com. I generally like Gibbs' work and I am interested in what McCreary has up his young sleeve. Any input would help, thank fellas.[Message edited by nuts_score on 08-31-2005]
posted 08-31-2005 12:14 PM PT (US) 
Alexborn007

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I would probably steer clear unless there's something that you really want from the show. The music works fine in the series (which I do watch habitually haha), but separated it's kind of hard to enjoy. The album is also pretty long.Hope you can get your hands on the Hellraiser Chronicles, they're all fantastic scores. Miller's take on the series is pretty underrated (but not as grand next to Young) IMO.
Review:
http://www.moviewave.net/titles/battlestar_galactica_season1.html[Message edited by Alexborn007 on 08-31-2005]
posted 08-31-2005 02:26 PM PT (US) 
nuts_score

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Thanks Alex. I'm still trying to find clips of the score as I still haven't found any time to catch the series; I've heard really good things from my closest friends but I can never seem to sit my butt down and watch it.[Message edited by nuts_score on 08-31-2005]
posted 08-31-2005 07:37 PM PT (US) 
sean

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Hey nuts_score, my opinion is an almost polar opposite to what Alex has to say about Battlestar Galactica (at least in this thread, as I've not read his review link). Quite to the contrary, do not steer clear of the Season One album, it's an incredible score—easily my favourite of the year. The contribution from Richard Gibbs does not amount to much on this CD, aside from four of the thirty tracks on disc; Richard Gibbs did compose music with Bear McCreary for episodes 2 and 3 ("Water" and "Bastille Day") but nothing from those scores is included. Even his Cylon theme from the 2003 miniseries appears solely in the "Prologue" cue.If you have AIM or MSN, email me and I'll send you some tracks from the score, I think you'll really enjoy it ... it's filled with heavily purccusive action (the martial and heroic "Battle On The Asteroid," "Starkbuck On The Red Moon," and "The Olympic Carrier") and raw emotion ("Two Funerals," "Passacaglia," and "Bloodshed"); the orchestral approach to the show doesn't appear until near the end of the disc, like the series, the orchestra isn't heard in full until the season final, "Kobol's Last Gleaming." For me, it probably helps that I'm a huge fan of the show, but nonetheless, I highly recommend it—Mr. McCreary has real talent and what an album and television series to display it! (And my CD is signed by him!!!)
NP: Battlestar Galactica - Season One *****/*****
posted 08-31-2005 08:30 PM PT (US) 
Alexborn007

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I'd definitely seek out the score clips on La-La Land Record's website too
Adding to Sean's praise, the orchestral parts from the finale and moments from the season are indeed quite good. Chances are, if you liked Gibbs' contributions...you'll dig the 1st season. I do think Sean being a fan of the series helps a lot though (as I am too!!!). So be sure to see an episode or two of the series...it's a great hour of TV and will help aid your desicion.
NP - The Village
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posted 08-31-2005 09:59 PM PT (US) 
nuts_score

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Hey Sean, just sent you an e-mail. Thanks for your comments as they are quite helpful. Thanks also for Alex with the helpful suggestion oof going to the La-La website; I'm an idiot for not thinking of that one at all.
posted 08-31-2005 11:55 PM PT (US) 
Dinko

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I think there is much to enjoy in the Season One disc.
There is a lot of variety. That keeps it interesting for more than a few listens. I frankly found it more enjoyable than the majority of recent film scores.
posted 09-01-2005 01:40 PM PT (US) 
sakman

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The disc is a good one, but sitting through all of it at one time can be a bit much.Try Gibbs' score to "Book of Stars"--a little different but very nice.
posted 09-01-2005 03:22 PM PT (US) 
sean

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quote:
Originally posted by Dinko:
I frankly found it more enjoyable than the majority of recent film scores.That's why it's my favourite release of the year, far better than anything the "safe" composers have put out this summer.
NP: DJ Green Lantern / D12
posted 09-01-2005 03:26 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Nuts_score, McCreary's Battlestar Galactica is absolutely phenomenal. Alex's experience w/ Gibb's score for the mini-series is understandable -- it's a bit more out there than even McCreary's. That being said, I think Bear McCreary takes the best aspects of what Gibbs did to set the stage, and sends it soaring in an entirely new and colorful direction. McCreary's music throughout Season One of Battlestar Galactica has been nothing short of stellar. His sensitive melodic ideas flow from one character to another, and by the end of the season, you really do begin to understand that each character and relationship has some sort of musical identity. They are genuinely memorable sequences, both dramatically and musically, and La-La Land's album beautifully captures all of the best moments. I find myself listening to this disc relatively often, and I don't get tired of it. That's pretty cool. Now, whether it's because I'm completely taken by the show, or the music, or both, I can't tell you. They both play so heavily into one another, as they should -- but regardless, the music stands alone as something wholly enjoyable, and I'd be amiss if I didn't recommend it whole heartedly.A word of warning, though: Don't buy this disc blind. Relying on expectations will send you on a collision course. This is a very different approach to the sci-fi genre. It's got its signature sci-fi moments, but a majority of the music consists of pulse-pounding ethnic percussion and vocals, with an occasional dip into small ensemble orchestral pieces (beautiful). The music is certainly an experience, and like Sean said: full of raw emotion and heroism. If you're not familiar with the show or haven't watched Season One straight through, you're missing out -- and the music won't hold as much weight. It's embued with subtlety that works in layers when paired with the dramatic content of the story and acting. So, I guess I can't recommend this album without recommending the show - but regardless, it's great stuff.
Hope this helps. And Alex, you're crazy! Comparing Gibb's work on Battlestar w/ McCreary's is like comparing apples and oranges.

Jeron
[Message edited by Jeron on 09-02-2005]
posted 09-02-2005 09:38 AM PT (US) 
Southall
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Apples and oranges? I thought they sounded remarkably similar. (I'm willing to concede that this might be because I'm stupid.) I would venture to suggest that buying the album if you're not a fan of the show would be a very dangerous move unless you're hooked on the clips.
posted 09-02-2005 11:40 AM PT (US) 
Southall
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Another thing.Does Bear McCreary **** in the woods?
posted 09-02-2005 11:41 AM PT (US) 
nuts_score

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Okay, I just got back from the La-La Land site and checked out some clips from both scores and before I give my thoughts, I want to compliment La-La Land for a wonderful website and a generally good selection of clips. Now, I listened to Gibbs' score to the mini-series first and thought it was really well done. I had a sampling of "Are You Alive? / Battlestar Galactica™ Main Title", "To Kiss Or Not To Kiss", and "The Storm and The Dead". If anyone else wants the link, here it is: http://www.lalalandrecords.com/Galactica.htm . I headed on over to the page for McCreary's Season One score and listened to the following: "Main Title (US & UK Versions)", "A Good Lighter", "The Thousand Landing", "The Shape of Things to Come". All of these tracks were beyond what I thought they would be; they were incredible! I knew you guys warned me about this being a different score for science fiction but you didn't take into account that one of my favorite scores (more than likely my absolute favorite from the past five years) is Brian Tyler's "Children of Dune". These "Galactica" scores had a lot of the same ideas behind them and really can't wait to get my grubby fingers on both of them. Here's the link to the McCreary score: http://www.lalalandrecords.com/GalacticaSeasonOneNew.html .Sadly, my trusted old Nissan 240SX just gave out on me on Thurday evening and I will be going to buy a new car tomorrow (Saturday) so it may be a few weeks before I put in my order at mm.com (or Amazon). Just when I had gotten a raise and everything, my car decides to take its last dump and ruin my savings fund as well as my checking account from the past three months (included in this was my money going towards a whole big order that would cover the next three months for me).
Anyways, thanks to Alex, Sean, Dinko, Sakman, and Jeron for your comments. And Southall,
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Another thing.
Does Bear McCreary **** in the woods?Yes, I think he does. I can't be to sure though.
posted 09-02-2005 09:39 PM PT (US) 
tjguitar

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I've heard both CDs, they are okay, I don't think they are anything special.I listen to Stu Phillips RSNO recording far more than either of these discs, though Season One is definitely better than the miniseries disc.
posted 09-03-2005 06:59 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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quote:
Originally posted by tjguitar:
I listen to Stu Phillips RSNO recording far more than either of these discs, though Season One is definitely better than the miniseries disc.Stu Phillips' music is great, no argument there. This is kinda like trying to compare Fred Steiner's original scores for Star Trek to the music Dennis McCarthy wrote on Enterprise. LOL... not the greatest analogy, but you know what I mean.

-j
[Message edited by Jeron on 09-03-2005]
posted 09-03-2005 11:45 PM PT (US) 
tjguitar

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Well, for what its worth I enjoy Dennis McCarthy's work on the latter star trek series, more than this newer Battlestar Galactica music.
posted 09-04-2005 01:07 PM PT (US) 
Swashbuckler

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I was kind of cold on the music the first time I watched the series, but I got those Best Buy DVDs, and found that the music from both the miniseries and season one had grown on me. I picked up the CDs and enjoy them very much. Much of my pleasure with the appearance of the music in the show was because of how it works; it was not very manipulative, but instead seemed to emanate either from the atmosphere of the ships or the souls of the characters.This is generally not the type of score that I would like as pure musical listening, but I'm finding that I'm enjoying it very much. I think that if you like one, you'll like the other. They're very much in the same vein, very ambient, taiko and snare drums, world influences, occasional washes of orchestra...
While the two composer's different styles come through in a comparison of the two, they used the same approach so they mesh; when listened together it is a smooth transition and I find it an electrifying listen.
posted 09-05-2005 10:03 PM PT (US) 
sean

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quote:
Originally posted by tjguitar:
Well, for what its worth I enjoy Dennis McCarthy's work on the latter star trek series, more than this newer Battlestar Galactica music.That's still a poor comparison.
posted 09-08-2005 05:31 PM PT (US) 
tjguitar

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what would be a good comparison?
posted 09-09-2005 11:00 AM PT (US) 
Swashbuckler

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Christopher Gordon, Richard Tognetti and Iva Davies' score for Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World.
posted 09-11-2005 03:09 PM PT (US) 
sean

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quote:
Originally posted by Swashbuckler:
Christopher Gordon, Richard Tognetti and Iva Davies' score for Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World.Excellent! You're right!
posted 09-11-2005 09:49 PM PT (US) 
nuts_score

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Just coming back. I got my Amazon package last Thursday (much earlier than expected, thanks Amazon) and these are two soundtracks I need to spend at least one week with before I post any final comments. Although I did spill the beans to Sean earlier, so don't go asking him for spoilers.
posted 09-12-2005 10:19 PM PT (US) 
nuts_score

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Give me some more time. I didn't get much time to scrutinize them last week as I had hoped, but I'll more than likely post my comments on this thread and each page before Wednesday.
posted 09-18-2005 05:06 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

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Nutso, I am still waiting. You thought you were off the hook?
Meanwhile, Sean's up and dumped a nice review on all of us for Season Two's OST release:
http://www.moviemusic.com/comments.asp?mm=battlestargalactica-s2&author=449posted 06-13-2007 02:42 PM PT (US) 
franz_conrad

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I've since been granted a listen by someone who had a copy of this CD. While a couple of tracks are good, for someone who doesn't watch the show, it's a hard slog to listen to it all.
posted 06-13-2007 04:38 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Interesting observation, Franz. I find both albums to be utterly titillating...
I honestly don't think these scores can or should be enjoyed to their fullest extent without first seeing the episodes. Amazing show. Not seeing it is doing yourself a disservice.
posted 06-13-2007 08:44 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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According to Bear..."BSG:3" comes out in Aug...along with the DVD release.All Along The Watchtower!!!!! WOOOOT!!
--Brian
[Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 06-14-2007]
posted 06-14-2007 10:25 PM PT (US) 
franz_conrad

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quote:
Originally posted by Jeron:
I honestly don't think these scores can or should be enjoyed to their fullest extent without first seeing the episodes. Amazing show. Not seeing it is doing yourself a disservice.But who has the time for a long run committment to a TV show just to appreciate the music better. There are too many unread books to read, films to see, things to do, etc etc.

posted 06-15-2007 07:40 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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quote:
Originally posted by franz_conrad:
But who has the time for a long run committment to a TV show just to appreciate the music better. There are too many unread books to read, films to see, things to do, etc etc.
It's only 4 seasons! That's it.

posted 06-15-2007 08:53 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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It's a great show. 4 seasons is not that bad.Check it out on DVD!
I love it!
--Brian
posted 06-15-2007 09:02 PM PT (US) 
tjguitar

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Series is overrated there's better sci fi such as Heroes, Stargate SG-1, The 4400 etc.
posted 06-15-2007 09:07 PM PT (US) 
sean

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quote:
Originally posted by tjguitar:
Series is overrated there's better sci fi such as Heroes, Stargate SG-1, The 4400 etc.4400!?! Heroes!?! Get real! SG-1 is good, but it's no Battlestar, that's for damn sure. Please describe in detail how Battlestar Galactica is overrated.
posted 06-15-2007 09:28 PM PT (US) 
tjguitar

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quote:
Originally posted by sean:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by tjguitar:
[b]Series is overrated there's better sci fi such as Heroes, Stargate SG-1, The 4400 etc.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>4400!?! Heroes!?! Get real! SG-1 is good, but it's no Battlestar, that's for damn sure. Please describe in detail how Battlestar Galactica is overrated.
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It's just not a very good series. In the last season alone, they tease deaths of characters who should die, they turn likable characters into cylons, that whole love quadriangle was pointless...and the worst of all is the cinematography is awful. Bad writing, bad directing, oh, and the blatant religious overtones are annoying. And the Bob Dylan thing was really cheesy.
The music is OK, but nothing super. It's probably the best aspect of the series.
posted 06-15-2007 09:49 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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::Stands in the back of the room sipping a glass of wine.::Oh, I can totally see some people going to town on this thread.
And Tig, your answer has to have examples. We all went to school here, so, to prove a point you need supporting information. Saying something is bad just because is lame.
--Brian
[Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 06-15-2007]
posted 06-15-2007 10:59 PM PT (US) 
sean

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SMACK DOWN!tjguitar: First of all, I'm fascinated by your their "cinematography is awful" comment. Please elaborate. In my estimation, BSG has the best look of any series to date and right now; the show is shot like a film; their HD cameras certainly bring out that film-like look to it, which is far better than the generic look given to everything else, from Lost to 24 to Heroes etc.; and I'd argue the look of it is one of the best things about the show, from Joel Ransom's DOP work on the mini-series using 35mm film to Steve McNutt's excellent DOP work with HD on seasons 1-3. "Bad writing" in what sense? What episode(s) are you talking about? "Kobol's Last Gleaming" is a fantastic script by Ron Moore and David Eick; "Pegasus" is just stellar, by Ron Moore and Anne Coffell Saunders; same with the following 2-part "Resurrection Ship" by Ron Moore and Michael Rymer (also director); and let us not forget the two best writers on show Bradley Thompson and David Weddle (Sam Peckinpah's excellent biographer), who've done fantastic work with "Act Of Contrition," "Hand Of God," "Scattered," and "Exodus," just to name a few. Who are the "bad directors"? Is it Michael Rymer, probably their best director, for the mini-series, or the intense "33," or the 3-part "Pegasus / Resurrection Ship," or the 4-part "Kobol's Last Gleaming / Scattered / Valley Of Darkness," or "Lay Down Your Burdens," or for the finale "Crossroads"? Or do you mean Sergio Mimica-Gezzan (Steven Spielberg's assistant director for years)? And his work with widely considered successes like "You Can't Go Home Again," the action-packed "Fragged," the intense Pegasus-centred episode "Captain's Hand" with a strong guest performance from John Heard!, or the amazing season 3 opener "Occupation / Precipice"? Is that what you're talking about? What's wrong with religious overtones? I'm an atheist, no doubt about it, but I find the "religious overtones" fascinating and great for many of the characters; hell, a lot of them make terrible decisions because of it. Whose deaths did they tease out? I don't remember any. There was a fantastic and legitimate death episode with "The Passage" (written Jane Espenson!!! for frak's sake!), but I won't spoil who dies for anyone who hasn't seen it and is reading this. tj, you've got to be specific and smart here if you're gonna tackle tearing down something like Battlestar Galactica.
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posted 06-15-2007 11:31 PM PT (US) 
Crono/Kyp

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::Finished wine::
::Walks off::--Brian
[Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 06-15-2007]
posted 06-15-2007 11:34 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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::drinks glass of milk::::reads sean's commentary::
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ssssskl;ajfoiwemafdsF!!!!!!!!! milk is coming up my nose!::brilliant.
posted 06-16-2007 12:53 AM PT (US) 
tjguitar

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Well just cause I don't like it doesn't mean everybody else doesn't have to. And the character that should have stayed dead is Starbuck, of course.
Some of the episodes you mentioned were good, and I do think that this past season was the strongest, but I hate that "Film-like shooting" that you seem to desire on TV.It's very DARK and hard to see details. They need more birghts to contrast. I don't know.
As for details, I couldn't tell you, it's been a long time since the last episode aired.posted 06-16-2007 12:58 AM PT (US) 
franz_conrad

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I can't say I agree with the cinematography remark based on what little I've seen of the show.My brother watches this show a lot (he's a uni student, hates arty movies, so he has time to sit through season-length boxsets), and every time I'm at his place and it's on, I'm impressed with the look of the show. Leaves the old Star Trek lighting and cinematography from DS9 for dead...
posted 06-16-2007 01:35 AM PT (US) 
sean

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quote:
Originally posted by tjguitar:
It's very DARK and hard to see details. They need more birghts to contrast. I don't know.Bad tv set? I can see the details fine with my non-HD set and the HD rips I have on my computer look spectacular.
posted 06-16-2007 02:11 AM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
