The Bad News: A new re-recording of GUNS OF NAVARONE by Tiomkin conducted by Nic Raine-on-my-parade with the City of PLAGUE Orchestra not to mention Ford Klaxton's tin ear ("Sounds better than the original to me.") probably in the mix somewhere.

Well, we'll see.

Did you use the orchestrations from the film, reconstruct, a little of both? There were several orchestrators including John Williams, so I am curious.

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The Bad News: A new re-recording of GUNS OF NAVARONE by Tiomkin conducted by Nic Raine-on-my-parade with the City of PLAGUE Orchestra not to mention Ford Klaxton's tin ear ("Sounds better than the original to me.") probably in the mix somewhere.

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I don't think Ford has had anything to do with this project. This is James Fitzpatrick's baby, and he even funded this recording himself!!! How about a decent "thank you" instead of acting like an idiot *before* you've actually heard the CD???

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Originally posted by moviescore:
How about a decent "thank you" instead of acting like an idiot *before* you've actually heard the CD???

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Ohohohohoh! I love this. I soooo love it everytime an überfanboy asks a regular fanboy to lick another überfanboy's ass by thanking them for their work on a soundtrack CD!

Logically, why should anyone "thank" anyone else before hearing the disc anymore than they should be criticizing it? Neither thanking nor criticizing make sense at this stage.

I rather like the recordings that Nic Raine & The City of Prague Orchestra did on the later Barry recordings. RAISE THE TITANIC, ZULU, WALKABOUT, LION IN WINTER, ROBIN & MARIAN and THE LAST VALLEY.

So I'm not willing to bash the recording until I hear it.

I also agree with James about Prague doing a good job on the Barry scores mentioned, those are "easy" scores. Although you can forget about some of Barry's James Bond music on Silva's Bond comps... I've never winced so much as when listening to Prague do Bond in a recording from 10 to 15 years ago. Left such a bad ring in my ears, I grimace everytime I hear of a new Prague project. I will admit they have done a few good ones more recently, like the Star Trek thing from a few years back, but as for them doing Tiomkin, I dunno, the previous release seemed to lack the aggression in Tiomkin's powerhouse scores.

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Ohohohohoh! I love this. I soooo love it everytime an überfanboy asks a regular fanboy to lick another überfanboy's ass by thanking them for their work on a soundtrack CD!

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The difference between "regular fanboys" and "überfanboys" is obviously that the first-mentioned clearly don't realise how much work goes into releasing a CD with a new orchestral recording of a film score, doing a lot of reconstruction and research work - in this case, funded by one single person!

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Logically, why should anyone "thank" anyone else before hearing the disc anymore than they should be criticizing it? Neither thanking nor criticizing make sense at this stage.

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The enormous effort and undertaking funded by one passionate individual here is, in my opinion, worth an applaud already at this point.

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That said, given the crappiness of previous Prague garbage currently filling store shelves, there is a reliable basis upon which to blast the potential quality (or lack of) of the album.

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Oh, how wonderful - that old Prague bashing once again. Even if I prefer recordings made by the RSNO or the BBC Philharmonic, I feel that the City of Prague Philharmonic is of pretty high standard. I really don't think that some of the world's finest composers would hire this orchestra if it wasn't good enough!

But of course you know better!

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Originally posted by moviescore:
The difference between "regular fanboys" and "überfanboys" is obviously that the first-mentioned clearly don't realise how much work goes into releasing a CD with a new orchestral recording of a film score, doing a lot of reconstruction and research work - in this case, funded by one single person!

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The enormous effort and undertaking funded by one passionate individual here is, in my opinion, worth an applaud already at this point.

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Oh, how wonderful - that old Prague bashing once again. Even if I prefer recordings made by the RSNO or the BBC Philharmonic, I feel that the City of Prague Philharmonic is of pretty high standard. I really don't think that some of the world's finest composers would hire this orchestra if it wasn't good enough!

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Originally posted by moviescore:
I really don't think that some of the world's finest composers would hire this orchestra if it wasn't good enough!

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Originally posted by Marian Schedenig:
Graunke is Munich... or was there more than one orchestra who failed to perform Total Recall?

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No, it was the Graunke Symphony Orchestra, which used to be a fairly good ensemble. The problem was that the majority of the players that contributed to the orchestra's good standard had retired prior to the recording of Total Recall.

Regarding the Hungarian State Opera Orchestra, what do you have to complain about in the recordings of Lionheart (one of Goldsmith's masterpieces) or the re-recording of Islands in the Stream?

Dinko, you are right when you spot the difference - I am applauding the effort, not the final product. I haven't heard it yet. But that was why I was somewhat irritated by the first post in this thread - the only thing we can judge at this point is the effort, not the final product.

"The rendition of THE MATRIX is really excellent …this is high quality music recording" (Don Davis)

"The orchestra in Prague played beautifully and were very professional" (Rachel Portman)

"I really enjoyed working with Tadlow Music and especially having a very good orchestra... I will be back" (Gabriel Yared)

"I recently ahd opportunity to oversee the recording of one of my scores in Prague and was most impressed with the quality of musicianship there. The City of Prague Philharmonic played beautifully with verve and precision. Each section distinguished itself with world-class professionalism and the soloists were all excellent and expressive." (J.A.C. Redford)

"Better than the original soundtrack" (Dennis McCarthy)

"I just played the new recording of my score to THE VIKINGS: Bravo! Bravissimo!" (Mario Nascimbene)

"Bravo on your fine recordings and performances on SPACE3. I thought the renditions were fresh and well realised...keep up the good work" (Basil Poledouris)

"Nowhere beats the cost/quality ratio of Prague. Afantastic place to record if you haven't got the budget of a major studio picture. I come back time and time again. That says it all." (Julian Nott)

"I have recorded over 160 hours with the CPPO, so I have obviously been happy with my results to keep returning. Everything runs smoothly, and I have had no technical problems with recording to picture. I have become so comfortable that I forget that I'm talking to the musicans in a different language. I highly recommend the City Of Prague Philharmonic Orchestra." (David Michael Frank)

All of these quotes are from Tadlow Music's promotional material - but I don't think any of these distinguished composers would lie about these things, do you?

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Originally posted by moviescore:
No, it was the Graunke Symphony Orchestra, which used to be a fairly good ensemble.

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I know it was the Graunke, I just wanted to make sure there was not yet another orchestra involved?

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Regarding the Hungarian State Opera Orchestra, what do you have to complain about in the recordings of Lionheart (one of Goldsmith's masterpieces) or the re-recording of Islands in the Stream?

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I haven't heard Islands. The playing in Lionheart is ok but nothing more, and I keep wondering if that's the reason why Goldsmith included synth brass. The playing in Rambo III is absolutely horrible and it seems the percussionist was either deaf or had never heard of the word "rhythm" before.