Damned.. you are annoying. Sweeping back and forth between thought and opinion.
It's you who is the fanboy here, not Christian and angry. Countless of posts here underwrite that FACT.

For only your recent post:
Ask the Dust:

who is the producer???tom cruise.
:P
Zimmer and cruise together again.
I hope this time zimmer will be nominated. <-- Fanboy comment
Np:merlin

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Djeezabells man... get a life.
You are looking for any review or excuse to objectively rate this score as being excellent or a masterwork as you yourself stated to be very dissapointed. And along with you many others. You are hoping for some grand reviewer to say "this score is by far the best". Next up you will be pointing all to this review.
You were hoping for Christians' review to be that light in the darkness... your hope was misplaced or turned out to be not what you hoped for.

It's called 'negative projecting'. Better example. You buy a crappy Korean car. When in fact all your friends are driving BMW's :-). There you arrive... and say... "it's a crappy Korean car". You are expecting your friends to say "ow no man! Korean cars are great, the model you have is the best!".
You were actually hoping to buy a BMW yourself, but funds are insufficient to acquire a BMW.

So Chill man!
Voice your opinion only if you are very sure about your standing and you are not going to change your mind...

BTW:
Or you on the pill?
Or on menopauze?
I see this frequently in women low on female hormones. The brain can't make firm decisions any more, the breasts start flaring down and the ass starts inflating.
*humor me, could I be gay!?*

FoobsZ

[Message edited by Foobsie on 06-30-2005]

[Message edited by Foobsie on 06-30-2005]

[Message edited by Foobsie on 06-30-2005]

Is that your only well-informed and educated response to my post?

FoobsZ

Zimmerito. Chill man, really chill.
You are so angry with anyone right now, even yourself that all calm, objectivity and reason is gone.
The argument I have given surpasses the plane on which you are commenting and ranting about.
It is richer and more grounded in fact.

Go take some English courses and a social study class, perhaps even some psychology 101.

FoobsZ

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Originally posted by zimmerito:
Oh.I'm not angry.I'm just express my opinion.
You can't say i'm angry just because i'm saying clemmensen is wrong.
But...talk about my english is very easy.I think this is not a goog argument for try to hurt me.
calm down please.
If you want talk about the christian review ok,but you don't need attack me english ,is out of place

Calm down again.And take perspective(again)

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Your opinion is about as trustworthy and stable as world peace.
Man, sit down, read your own comments on filmtracks.com and laugh... You need the endorfins :-)

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Originally posted by zimmerito:
Oh.I'm not angry.I'm just express my opinion.
Calm down again.And take perspective(again)

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YOU ARE NOT ANGRY? *urgh*
-from first post-
Is his actitude make me angry.

Man,
you want me to take perspective on that floating barge without engines or a sail you call 'zimmerito'?

Perspective requires a firm ground to anchor with. You my friend lack all of it.

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Originally posted by zimmerito:
Everybody can change his opinion.
But Clemmensen review still is a Unobjective and his posts are egocentrics and with any respect for all the people that is disagree with him.
And one thing...Maybe you are a Clemmensen fanboy.
because i expressed my opinion about his review and you seems be attacked.
Calm down.
Bye foob

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whahhahaa me?
a Clemmensen fanboy?
state your facts. Damn... now I am sure I am gay! I am a Clemmensen Fanboy!

What I am really enjoying are your rantings on several posts both on moviemusic.com and filmtracks.com

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Originally posted by zimmerito:
Mmm...
be a fanboy its not the same to be gay.
You could be a Goldsmith's fanboy and not be a gay.
Its incredible you has said that.
we are in 21 century.
Please open your mind

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But can I be a Goldsmith fanboy and be a lesbian too? Mind you, I don't have them thing called breasts and that other thingie where babies come from...
Can we separate form from function in the human body? Mmmmhhh interesting thesis subject.

Ow man... anyone who knows me will just laugh and pee in their pants!

His comments that Goldenthal's music is a "slight variation" on Danny Elfman's Batman theme is pretty stupid; their themes sound totally different. And the fact that he believes Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard should have somehow based their music on what's been written previously is not valid criticism; I own the Batman and Batman Forever scores, so why on Earth would I want some musical branch of those two fine scores from HZ and JNH?

He may or may not have seen the film, judging by his erratic comments on the film and score—maybe he's got a bad memory or something. I had mixed feelings listening to the score when I got the CD, but when I heard the music with the film it made way more sense and, IMO, works perfectly with the picture. As far as I'm concerend, there isn't one bad musical moment in the movie, it's pretty tight.

And getting back to CC's idea that HZ and JNH should have studied the previous Batman scores: Isn't the point of Batman BEGINS that it is a fresh start? That it says, "F*uck the other Batman films, this will be the proper version, a new beginning."

CC has denied this, but it's just so damned obviou: He is so much more willing to be highly critical about any composer (particulairly Hans Zimmer) other than James Horner. He consistantly gives the worst and most self-copied Horner scores 4 and 5 star reviews. It's silly and takes away any legitimacy from his reviews.

Two other reviews I find pretty bad and foolish on his part are Star Trek: Nemesis and Revenge of the Sith.

NP: War Of The Worlds (John Williams) *****/*****

ps. Zimmerito, you are the fanboy, not CC (and why does Clemensen refer to The Rock, the action music sounds nothing like that score.).

I have read CC review and all the comments that followed it. While I don't agree with his review, obviously sense I appreciate the score much more, I find nothing wrong with how he reviewed it.

A person's review of a score is an opinion no matter how you want to spin it or how you want to turn it into a scientific analysis. Every reviewers have favorites. No matter how objective they try to be, I believe it's impossible.

You of all people here take the most extreme stances. No one ever criticized you for your opinions no matter how strong they were. You were only criticized when your opinions don't make sense due to explanation, flip flopping, ect..

Your attack on CC is very ironic.

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I think CC's review of Batman Begins is awful, to say the least.

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Sean, I don't like the review either but let's face it, those who really thought the score was bad probably agree with him.

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but when I heard the music with the film it made way more sense and, IMO, works perfectly with the picture. As far as I'm concerend, there isn't one bad musical moment in the movie, it's pretty tight.

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I enjoyed the score much more away from the movie. It works fine in the film but a stand alone masterpiece .

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And getting back to CC's idea that HZ and JNH should have studied the previous Batman scores

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It really boils down to the fact that CC is a thematic person. If you remember the rest of his review, he commented on how superhero needed a stronge theme. That's what he meant.

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CC has denied this, but it's just so damned obviou: He is so much more willing to be highly critical about any composer (particulairly Hans Zimmer) other than James Horner.

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I really don't see why he had to deny this. A review is objective only to a certain level. I feel that he really didn't like the score, felt it needed to be done differently, and voiced it in a very strong way.

Why are we talking about CC? In every sites out there, I can find reviews that hold strong viewpoints and negativity towards the composer's approach to the score, yet why does this one stand out. I guess it probably wouldn't if it wouldn't for Zimmerito bring it up here.

What exactly is a fanboy? Elaborate. (in 25 words or less)

The thing that is great about MM is that we rarely have these flare ups. And I don't think this is the forum for your displeasure.

As far as Christian Clemmensen is concerned,Filmtracks is HIS site and it is HIS opinion and he's not forcing anyone to agree or disagree. So whether you agree or not, he has a right to state what he wants. Hell...he's paying for the site not you.

That's why I quit going to that website 3 or 4 years ago with an occasional check back to see what's up.

Having thought about it for a long time the epiphany is this: WE ARE ALL FANBOYS, AND THE ONES WHO SAY OTHERWISE ARE EVEN MORE FANBOY THAN THE REST.

There's no getting around it. Not that we can't be rational and ethical adults but the attraction to childish fan-boyishness is there in all of us who use Cinema and Music as a womb away from reality.

Sometimes I think it's as good to revel in this as it is to police it away.

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Originally posted by zimmerito:
A todos aquellos que critican mi ingles.Que os jodan,cabrones de mierda.
A ver si vosotros hablais mejor el español.

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*translating*
To all of you for criticing my English. Screw you, piece of **** (from a goat). Let's see if you speak better Spanish.
*end translation*

Now is he angry and am I gay?

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Originally posted by Jeff78:
I swear I have to have a decoder ring to decyipher (sp) anything zimmerito says...
and I still ahve a hard time at that.

reading zimmeritos posts is just like waking up in the middle of a church sermon. There's alot of yelling and you don't know what the hell he's talking about.

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Amen to that!
Hallelujah brother!
Hakuna Matata!

FoobsZ

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Originally posted by Lou Goldberg:
Awesome. I wish no one had posted except Zimmerito & Foobsie. I could have enjoyed that banter for a century. Foob could care less and Zim takes it so seriously. Foob just pours the gas on the flames and well, no wonder the outside world hates Americans.
[Message edited by Lou Goldberg on 07-01-2005]

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You know I can only understand zimmerite, when I take three glasses of whisky. It kinda puts my speech and thought on the same slurry level.. But alas, no whisky around here on the tropical island of Curacao.

Tomorrownight however I will drink tequila's! (for real).

FoobsZ

BTW: FoobsZ is Dutch... not American. And in the grand tradition of all who are Dutch... we say 'live and let live'.. we are the monument of liberalism.

We sparked a wave of legalizing gay marriage in the world. We are the anvil and hammer that brought down the EU-constitution, we said "Pope, you are not welcome here!", we have a liberal drug policy, on abortion and even on euthanasia.

So my view on life is liberal, to say the least. Indeed I could care less....

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Originally posted by JJH:
and that is a problem with seemingly 90% of the reviews on Filmtracks...That's why I quit going to that website 3 or 4 years ago

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..and it hasn't been the same since. JJ, you old crank, it's good to see you still kicking around these fanboy haunts.

Listen, Clemmensen's reviews are what they are and you've got to realize that when you start reading. He frankly doesn't care what you think of his opinion, he's just going to give it to you. I agree with him many times on things like action music and most Zimmer scores, but I completely disagree with his irrational love of all things sappy and Rachel-Portman-like.

For me, his review of Batman Begins is dead on. I have no problem with him using Zimmer's interviews as fuel for discussion because Zimmer has had this same problem before, most noteably in The Last Samurai. Before the score was released, Zimmer had a long interview on Soundtrack.net in which he talked about these really nice ideas about how the music was going to follow Tom Cruise's progression into the more ethnic culture of the Samurai. However, the score proved to do just the opposite by throwing a giant action-hero style theme over Cruise's last charge with the Samurai in battle.

Zimmer always talks a great score in conversation, but when he executes, it falls short of his descriptions. It would be like Babe Ruth pointing with his bat toward the center field fence and then proceeding to bunt. It doesn't match up.

As for zimmerito, your comments are hilarious...but we are all laughing AT you, not with you. Sorry.

-Brendan