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Dinko Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by zimmerito: A todos aquellos que critican mi ingles.Que os jodan,cabrones de mierda. A ver si vosotros hablais mejor el español. ¡Ay caramba!
posted 07-01-2005 11:25 AM PT (US)

zimmerito Standard Userer	No problem Brendan. I'm laughting too. So many people is taking my posts so seriously that make me laught. NP:Mr smith (powell) Mrs smith(powell)
posted 07-01-2005 11:49 AM PT (US)

zimmerito Standard Userer	Clemmensen has banned to me for this post: Seriously,if after this words anyone read your reviews with respect,its a miracle. You are just a child playing with your forum. Bye (Don't delete again this post Christian) (writted for me after CC has wrotte a post insulting to me)
posted 07-01-2005 12:16 PM PT (US)

Brendan Anderson Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by zimmerito: Seriously,if after this words anyone read your reviews with respect,its a miracle. You are just a child playing with your forum. This sounds like a pretty "serious" comment for someone who just told me he wasn't taking any of this seriously. You're a piece of work, sir...a piece of very...."interesting"...work. -Brendan
posted 07-01-2005 12:48 PM PT (US)

zimmerito Standard Userer	Well...my comments about clemmensen review was pretty serious. And when i'm banned with any good reason I'm pretty serious too. I don't take seriously all the people who is banishing my english And...work in your language means S_it? I don't understand if you want insult me or you are saying to me a good thing.:P explain me please like i was clemmensen( I mean like a 6 years old boy) NP:Mr and Mrs Jolie.
posted 07-01-2005 12:57 PM PT (US)

sakman Standard Userer	This thread ought to be shut down. Slandering people you disagree with is not helpful to your argument and detracts from the opportunity to discuss film music. Considering the number of legitimate discussion threads it is sad that garbage like this gets more attention.
posted 07-01-2005 01:33 PM PT (US)

zimmerito Standard Userer	Sakman talk about CC's batman begins review is talk about film music. If the people prefer talk about my bad english is not my fault. But,if you don't like talk about clemmensen review about batman begins score because you think its not talk about film score music then you have a very easy solution,try to writte in another post. My thread is not the only post here.a lot of posts exists in this forum.Its not my fault if people like you want writte in this post,or they like blame my bad english. Im just want to talk about one critic review that he has lost his ethic and his moral.and he has lost his head writting a destructive review and losing all the respect for his readers. Sakman i don't put any gun in your head.You can ignore this post. thanks NP:Final Fantasy (goldenthal)
posted 07-01-2005 01:49 PM PT (US)

Southall Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Foobsie: Screw you, piece of **** (from a goat). GOAT? Did someone mention a goat? Just let me know if it needs brushing. For the record - I disagree with a couple of the things he says in the review (specifically about Goldenthal's theme being a variation on Elfman's and his comments about John Ottman) but I think it's a good review. Given how many reviews he's written, it's pretty hard to keep saying something different about modern film scores given how similar they all are (I know, from experience) and I thought his inclusion of Zimmer's interview comments was a clever move and a way of doing a review in a different way not just from his previous reviews, but from other people's reviews of the same score as well. There's only so many ways to skin a cat.
posted 07-01-2005 02:36 PM PT (US)

sakman Standard Userer	your absolutely correct....but, since this should be about movie music discussion, it seems like posts like this are not appropriate. The post title itself should have been enough to suggest it be pulled. It's one thing to have an opinion about a piece of music. You have every right to disagree with a review. Attacking the person who reviewed a score seems pointless and immature.
posted 07-02-2005 05:14 PM PT (US)

zimmerito Standard Userer	The reviwer attacked hans zimmer and attacked to me in his forum. I have a Radio Cinema Magazine in my country,and the people who are working in a public medium we can't loose the respect for other people or for other professional (composer,director..). NP:her and his hits
posted 07-02-2005 05:26 PM PT (US)

Luc Standard Userer	I agree that too many reviews start off with a long paragraph on the movie. Sometimes, they're 1/3-1/2 of the review. I usually skip them. I would have banned zimmerito too for that post/message. And zimmerito, stop using the English language issue as a defense for the content of your messages. It must be hard to be a reviewer and a human being who has taste and the taste evolves. It seems like too many people expect the reviews to be consistant with 100s of other reviews written. There are not too many score reviewers out there and I appreciate the hard work they putted into it whether I agree with them or not. CC putted a lot of time into that review.
posted 07-02-2005 05:44 PM PT (US)

sakman Standard Userer	Luc, Occassionally, it is necessary to write a little bit of background for a film score. I do this mostly when the film is obscure--often it means it is European and simply unknown to its American audience. It is very difficult to review film scores for new films because most of the time reviewers receive advance copies. So we fly blind and have to listen to the music on its own terms. It doesn't mean that we don't draw on our knowledge of a composer's previous scores. Ultimately, our job is to help you decide are you going to plop down your money for a disc or not. Sites and reviewers that approach the music objectively, laying aside their personal expectations based on personal taste are often far more interesting. And I, humorously, skip those intros too if I am familiar with the film.
posted 07-02-2005 06:01 PM PT (US)

zimmerito Standard Userer	the people here,just read what they want. Bye to everybody
posted 07-02-2005 06:10 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Luc: CC putted a lot of time into that review. I disagree. Just the fact that Clemensen is using quotes from various Hans Zimmer interviews (most notably the one over at IGN) doesn't mean that it's any more thoughtful; a bad essay can be littered with quotes and such, and still be just as awful. He brings up Zimmer's quote about the saprano boy and how it ends and is discontinued in the score as if Bruce Wayne was stunted in gorwing emotionally after his parents death ... and HZ says something about it being "crazy." If you have no inkling as to how HZ talks in interviews or on camera or in person than it just sounds lame in CC's review, which is what he wanted: he wanted to make HZ sound lame for saying something sounds "crazy" when it may (or may not) actually be; and according to CC Zimmer's approach to that particular aspect is typical or formulaic. The Pearl Harbour review is similar to this, in his use of quotes. But you'll notice he doesn't write these kinds of things about James Horner, whom he seems to have a neverending boner for. I mean, all he has to do is read the FSM interview that Jeff Bond did with Horner and quote some insane (and he actually does sound crazy) passages from there about not being able to carry-over ideas from score to score (which we all know he does more than any other composer). CC just doesn't know when he should or shouldn't pull out the big guns, critically speaking. Like, he's far more willing to trash a totally fine and original work by Zimmer (and I'm not talking about Batman Begins) and then turn around and give James Horner the road for some piece of junk rehash score; it's dumb on his part. NP: Timeline (Jerry Goldsmith) ***/***
posted 07-02-2005 10:23 PM PT (US)

Al Standard Userer	"There's only so many ways to skin a cat." This is true, James. But one of the main reasons that your reviews tend to be stronger than CC's is because in the process of "skinning the cat," you don't begin by talking at great length about the color and texture of the cat's fur when it's just going to come off anyway. Now some might think my criticism of CC's reviewing techniques aren't worth anything if I seem to be talking behind the man's back on a different forum, but I don't see it fit to go to his site and tell him how he should do things (he's probably checking in on this thread for a good laugh anyway). If he's putting time and money into it, he can write all the long-winded reviews he wants, but that doesn't mean I'll read them when I have more succinct alternatives--PK's spotlight reviews here, DF's short but detailed Intrada paragraphs, and the previously-mentioned Moviewave reviews--all giving me the information that matters to me without the fluff (or the fur).
posted 07-03-2005 12:49 AM PT (US)

Lou Goldberg Standard Userer	Sakman! Grow up. No topic should ever be shut down no matter where it goes, especially just because you're offended somehow. Beat it. take a hike. However, that said, I think this one should be an exception on the sheer grounds that it's become completely unintelligeable (on 2nd thought, that's all the fun of it!). 3 cheers for gobbledeegook! So FooZ is Dutch. His easy access to Hash may explain a lot about the tone of this topic! As for countries like Holland and Canada and such. I admire your liberal-libertarian ways and wish they'd rub off here. I showed a great documentary about Holland entitled Sex, Drugs, and Democracy to a friend (the only problem with the film is that it tends to repeat itself) and he said "This place is a right-winger's nightmare!" True. I think Holland is great because it shows you that a liberal society can work. All the things the Right tries to scare you about, that the loss of religious morality and the introduction of socialism will lead to the crumbling of society, etc. etc. hasn't happened in Holland. The whole country is a slap in the face of Rightest nonsense once and for all. So, can you put me up for a visit?
posted 07-11-2005 06:31 AM PT (US)

cine-sin Standard Userer	.
posted 07-20-2005 08:52 AM PT (US)

cine-sin Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Lou Goldberg: Sakman! Grow up. No topic should ever be shut down no matter where it goes, especially just because you're offended somehow. Beat it. take a hike. Ohhh Lou. Nice to know that some things don't change. p.s sorry about the above post. I was checking to see if my password still worked.
posted 07-20-2005 08:54 AM PT (US)

craig Standard Userer	I like comin to this place to see what you enthusiasts think of a particular score. I could care less either way. You all have either helped me build my collection, or stopped me from wasting my money. We all have opinions, we all have our different style of reviewing. Me? Unlike Al (a few posts back), I like letting people know what I think of a track in the score and associating it with the film. Or giving up something I know about the backstory to it. The film and the music go hand in hand! If someone wants to know about a particular cue in the movie that went with a part of the film they liked, and wanna be sure it's on the score, I'll illustrate it for them, what I saw and how great it sounds. So the person who doesn't have it can say, "Great, I was wondering if that was on the cd!" Like I said, we all have our own style of reviews and opinions. I'd hate to think there's be an elitist attitude on this site when people just wanna share their enjoyment of film music.
posted 07-22-2005 07:31 PM PT (US)

JJH Standard Userer	no topic should ever be shut down, yet....take a hike? that's a nice one.
posted 07-23-2005 03:15 AM PT (US)

sakman Standard Userer	I appreciate the "input," Lou, but the post has nothing to say about film music, and the title itself appears to slander someone. It seems to be the sole anomaly of posts on this board that have nothing to do with film music and at the very least should be moved to the "other" posting area. So, I'll put on my boots. But if Peter K is keeping an eye on this, he should know that posts like this send people walking to other sites and keep them from returning to this one. It's the price you pay I guess for "freedom."
posted 07-23-2005 12:24 PM PT (US)

Al Standard Userer	I used to teach english composition in college, so when I go to a soundtrack album review and see it open with two full-length paragraphs containing a review of the film, I compulsively reach for a red pen. The film and the music do go hand in hand in relation to the movie itself, but when writing about a soundtrack album, I think information about the film itself should be limited and focused to where it relates to the score on disc (or music missing from it). Interesting backstory relevant to the score is great; associating a track on the cd to a moment in the film is important; there are plenty of reasons to mention the film on a soundtrack album review, but sometimes there is just an excess of opinion or common knowledge that in no way aids any potential listeners in their decision to purchase an album or not. I don't think this is an elitist attitude. I'm not saying it's something that should be practiced everywhere, such as posts on this site, but I'm just wishing that reviews on websites dedicated to soundtrack reviews would practice it more frequently. Different approaches are appreciated; they make sites stand out from each other; however, if they stand out more because they jump about between unrelated points like an A.D.D. kid on a sugar high, that stops being fun and becomes just plain annoying. I'm glad that someone like Clemmensen takes the time to write a sprawling review, but I don't necessarily have the time to read it.
posted 07-24-2005 12:51 PM PT (US)

sakman Standard Userer	While it would be great for most reviewers to make as many connections to the film and its music as possible, it is not always realistic. Most of the time the score promos are sent out far in advance so that the review goes to print about the time the film is in theaters. It's also not uncommon to get a score for a small film no one may see, so a little background is sometimes necessary. For print reviews, you often need to write a lot and the editor's decide if they need filler or need to edit your copy down. Online situations are a bit different and are usually not as heavily edited.
posted 07-24-2005 07:08 PM PT (US)

Christian Kühn Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by zimmerito: (writted for me after CC has wrotte a post insulting to me) I'm sorry for dragging this up, but this "sentence" had me belly-laugh like no other in past weeks. Writted Wrotte...sounds like a Dutch film... CK
posted 01-24-2007 07:34 AM PT (US)

John C Winfrey Standard Userer	To be angry or not to be angry, that is the question. Out, out damn spot. Double double cauldron bubble. Frankly, my dear...... J.
posted 01-24-2007 09:01 AM PT (US)

BMikeJ Standard Userer	Ah... zimmerito... Who can forget zimmerito...
posted 01-24-2007 10:31 AM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	We loved ourselfs {sic} a little zimmerito around these parts. I miss him and his racial slurs.
posted 01-24-2007 12:01 PM PT (US)

Scorro Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Christian Kühn: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by zimmerito: [b] (writted for me after CC has wrotte a post insulting to me)<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> I'm sorry for dragging this up, but this "sentence" had me belly-laugh like no other in past weeks. Writted Wrotte...sounds like a Dutch film... CK[/B] Occupation: studiant
posted 01-26-2007 06:25 PM PT (US)

nuts_score Standard Userer	Here's my personal favorite zimmerito response and thread: quote: Originally posted by zimmerito: is more stupid the posts talking about LOTR analisys cue by cue,or you recent purchases.. Nutscore..you are **ing stupid too. go to ** with your mum.(and you are a standard user) http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/014142.html
posted 01-27-2007 11:06 AM PT (US)

alanderian Non-Standard Userer	He gave me a good review once..... http://www.alanderian.com/filmtracks/filmtracks.html
posted 01-27-2007 01:26 PM PT (US)

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