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Originally posted by zimmerito:
maybe hans and james was driking bear all the time.

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Hopefully they did not drink Bart the Bear

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Originally posted by zimmerito:
Sorry people(specially to Sean and HadrianD)
I wait your thoughts...
NP:......nothing.I'm crying

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Why be sorry for me? I love what I've heard thus far, and where on Earth did you listen to the full score?

I constantly find your comments crazy and off the wall, like you just went off the deep end or something: you love it one minute and hate it the next minute. It's obvious you're almost impossible to be musically pleased, especially by Hans Zimmer. So, there are amazing parts to one of the worst scores by either of these two fine composers? That makes little sense. Just sit back, relax, and don't make your expectations the world; music will be much better after that.

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Originally posted by zimmerito:
well...i've heart batman begins score.
I'm sad.very sad.
I don't know how 2 composers from the A list do something like that.3 months composing this?maybe hans and james was driking bear all the time.
i think is one of the worst scores from both composers.
The main themes are amazing! some dramatic music also!!!
Love theme is nice(bland but nice),batman and bruce wayne theme good too,journey to the line-esque music is amazing( I don't know how zimmer could compose so great variations from journey to the line).
the problem?
well....maybe the cd selections...
Just 8 minuts of action music.The darkest music(maybe the most extensives style in the cd) is just the same "noise" we 've heard in hannibal.the music is too simply and Subtle.
Sometimes you have to see if the cd is playing or your battery is low.
I don'tknow..really.Im sure many people like this cd just for be a score by zimmer or howard.
My expectations was hight,very hight but even with no expectations this cd is bad.
maybe is zimmer score selection again.Maybe in the movie contains a much more good tracks(at least for an enjoy listen)
track 2 and 12 are moving.I like it.And track 10 its cool stuff.No more.
Yes..zimmer and howard has created a very specific sound for this movie.Just is not a very enjoyable sound.
Sorry people(specially to Sean and HadrianD)
I wait your thoughts...
NP:......nothing.I'm crying

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How were you able to listen to the full CD? Email me with directions, please.
Only 8 minute of action? That doesn't sound good at all.

10/8

I'm so tired seeing people blasting scores based on a CD only listen, and most of all, based on short clips they've heard. That's not when there's some incredible peoples that can predict how the score will be as soon as the composer is announced...

See the movie, listen to the music in the movie context and THEN judge it!! I mean, come on people!!

At least your critics will be more valuable that way!

I am sure that Hans and James has done a wonderful job for the movie. And that's pretty much all that matters. As was the case with Danny Elfman's Spidey score. Great in the movie, half & half on CD. That's why you can never judge the score primarily on the basis of a listen through.

Can't wait for the movie.

Anyone going to see it on IMAX?

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Originally posted by GrizzlyMV:
It's so funny... You already claim that this score is crap or disappointing, but nobody as seen the film yet. Do I have to remind some of you that a MOVIE score is made to support a movie, not to listen on a CD? I'm sure if the purpose of the score would have been to be a kick ass CD, they would have done the most killer score in times. But they had to work with the movie, not in the CD in mind. So, maybe the music is just ok on the CD, but maybe it fit perfectly the movie. And if so, then we can all say the job is done perfectly, no mather how you like it on CD!!

I'm so tired seeing people blasting scores based on a CD only listen, and most of all, based on short clips they've heard. That's not when there's some incredible peoples that can predict how the score will be as soon as the composer is announced...

See the movie, listen to the music in the movie context and THEN judge it!! I mean, come on people!!

At least your critics will be more valuable that way!

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Originally posted by zimmerito:
Everytime I read one of your replyies I'm more sure than you are one of this guys who love every note about zimmer and can't be objective.

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Actually zimmerito: it's you who can't be objective. Two reasons:
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I am referring to your own thread about Madagascar where I responded in kind and you confirmed yourself to be a huge Zimmer fan and hence the name.
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Your comments are indeed off the wall and very inconsistent as Sean stated. I usually need a glass or two of Whiskey to grobble up your comments.

So sit back, listen to the music and count to ten before commenting.

We are indeed (or at least I am) having fun reading your comments. It's been a while since we had such a member

Ow and copy paste your reply into your wordprocessor, do a spell and grammarcheck and copy paste it back. It will make the reading much easier and you might even learn a bit along the way.

from all this posts the only person who has heard batman score is john steel.
Maybe you before to talk and defense this score have to listen it.
Don't you think????

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Originally posted by zimmerito:
Sorry for my english.
I'm sure you know much more spanish than I english

from all this posts the only person who has heard batman score is john steel.
Maybe you before to talk and defense this score have to listen it.
Don't you think????

NP:batman begins.

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You are forgiven.

Sure, I had Spanish in highschool, not so good any more in the spoken word, but I can write and read it.

What makes you think that I haven't heard this score already?
And what makes you think that I am defending or even flaming it?

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Originally posted by zimmerito:
Ok....
tell me the true.
Has you heard the score???
I want your opinion please..
Gracias,y encantado de conocer a un tio tan gracioso como tu.

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Yo no soy tu tio!

My opinion is irrelevant.
Frankly because I believe this movie should NEVER have been made. It takes away all the wackiness surrounding the comic, the series, Gotham city, the characters and offcourse... the Bat himself.

[PERIOD!]

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Originally posted by GrizzlyMV:
It's so funny... You already claim that this score is crap or disappointing, but nobody as seen the film yet. Do I have to remind some of you that a MOVIE score is made to support a movie, not to listen on a CD? I'm sure if the purpose of the score would have been to be a kick ass CD, they would have done the most killer score in times. But they had to work with the movie, not in the CD in mind. So, maybe the music is just ok on the CD, but maybe it fit perfectly the movie. And if so, then we can all say the job is done perfectly, no mather how you like it on CD!!

I'm so tired seeing people blasting scores based on a CD only listen, and most of all, based on short clips they've heard. That's not when there's some incredible peoples that can predict how the score will be as soon as the composer is announced...

See the movie, listen to the music in the movie context and THEN judge it!! I mean, come on people!!

At least your critics will be more valuable that way!

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Of course we have to see the movie before making an objective judgement of the score. But I think Zimmerito (and me too) is so sad about Batman Begins ´cause Zimmer (as Williams or Horner) is the kind of composer whose music has been enjoyable on CD even though the picture it was written for was good or bad, even the picture needed more or less music, or even the score was more or less "experimental". Even "difficult" scores as Hannibal or Black Hawk Down were enjoyable on CD. But it seems this time the score will be enjoyable in the context of the movie, and a hard one out of it.

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Originally posted by zimmerito:
A zimmer interview: http://www.mymovies.net/interviews/text_feature.asp?featureid =FTRE/4056/0906200516231705&filmid=4056&sec=trailers

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"And then one day he finally said ‘Why don‘t you want to do it?‘ so I explained it was the franchise thing and that I wanted to do smaller things, I really want experiment with electronics for a bit and I really don‘t want to push a big orchestra around the landscape for a while" -->> well, at least he´s been coherent with himself.

" We did write this huge heroic Batman theme which isn‘t in the movie because it just wasn‘t that sort of movie and I wanted to stay true to what Chris was putting on the screen." -->> very coherrent too, but a mistake IMHO

"There‘s a friend of mine, Mel Wesson, who‘s a great synthesist and I‘d said to him back in October ‘I‘d love you to make me some sounds of like giant wings flapping" -->> bad idea, Wesson could have stayed at home.

most reviews of the movies from USA UK FRANCE are unanymous: this is THE Batman movie we waited for and can't wait to see the next 2 of this upcoming trilogy.

The Dark Knight is finally here.

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Originally posted by Foobsie:
Your comments are indeed off the wall and very inconsistent as Sean stated.

So sit back, listen to the music and count to ten before commenting.

We are indeed (or at least I am) having fun reading your comments. It's been a while since we had such a member

FoobsZ

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Originally posted by zimmerito:
Wow!!! i really like this score!!!
it was not what i expected but is very good!! and i think will be works very well in the movie.!
Romance,terror,suspense,action,drama and experimental music!!! all is here!!!
-since a string cyclica and to a bat flying sound for batman(experimental)
-romance music. theme by (seems) newton howard when in track 7 is mixed with a zimmer string rendition of that theme.
-drama music(track 2 ,4,6 and 12) are superb.track 12 with journey to the line variation make you feel like a superhero that is resigned to fight agains all the bad things from the human being.
Terror: music-track 5 and 9.track 5 is one of the most pure terror music i ever heard.
-Acion music:track 3,8 and 10.the first contains a really bad thing but the main theme and his brutallity make me adore it.great action stuff.
I think will fit very well in the movie.is a very complex and rich score.is not the typical score you expected.I think if we can get a complet score we will know how good(a masterpiece this score is)
NP:Final conflic

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Zimmerito: Is this not final proof of your craziness and need to cool it on your hyper-active, no-nonsense, spur-of-the-moments Hans Zimmer bashing / loving write ups? As far as I can tell, you just did a 360 from your previous opinion that Batman Begins is one of the worst scores done by either of those two wicked composers.

It goes without saying that this score was and is going to be incredible; it's by Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard, for heaven's sake! Your up / down comments on the music are pretty insane to the casual observer (myself and whomever else who reads your posts). It's funny to picture who is on the other end of some of these posts, and from your end I picture you as the Cafiene Man from MAD TV: Your eyes popping out of your glasses (and sockets) and being really fidgity and erratic, that it's obvious to everyone you've taken a jump off the deep end, and you CAN'T WAIT to get your next cup of coffee. It's not a criticism, just a funny observation (especially if you know the character I'm talking about). Just substitute coffee for Zimmer music, and there you have it.

How sean knows....i don't know very much english.I just can understand some phrases.can anyone transcribe this please????:P
thanks

To me...the look and story of this one is what Batman should be...not Adam West parading around in tights or Michael Keaton acting goofy at 5'2".

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Originally posted by Sean:

Thanks Foobsie, I was beginning to think I was the only person who thought Zimmerito was completely bonkers ... and I too find it a riot reading his posts

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Sean, how many bottles did you drink so you can make that comment with a straight face. You got to be kidding .

I only read his post when I can turn off my brain and have plenty of time to digest the information. I usual read only the responses to his post to get an idea of the discussion we're having.

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Originally posted by zimmerito:
Ok
I see.
this is my last post in this forum.
Sorry if my posts are so Annoying.
Bye

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Originally posted by zimmerito:
Ok
I see.
this is my last post in this forum.
Sorry if my posts are so Annoying.
Bye

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Originally posted by Luc:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Sean:

Thanks Foobsie, I was beginning to think I was the only person who thought Zimmerito was completely bonkers ... and I too find it a riot reading his posts <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sean, how many bottles did you drink so you can make that comment with a straight face. You got to be kidding .

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LOL! I was kidding, but if you must know, I'm half in the bag already ...

Americans sense of humor isn't always appreciated .

My opinion on this music as it is presented on the soundtrack, is that its entirely different from any other Batman score. Infact it does not bring to mind anything about Batman as I know him.
I was also a little put off by Zimmer's outdated sounding synthisizers; they're so stuck in 1994, If he's going to use synths then he could at least stay current with technology. I expected him to use electronics, but he really needs to update his sample libary.
Now when I listen to his more dramatic music I start thinking about other scores like Crimson Tide.
The main theme from I could tell is a 2 note brass motif thats kinda too simplistic to even hum. But I guess its ok for images of Batman lurking in shadows of Gotham (And that makes me realize that Batman never comes out in the day time does he? Its as if the Villians only do there dirty work at night.) But that theme hardley makes me want to stand up out of my seat like Elfman and Goldenthal's theme, even the 60s Batman theme is at least catchy.

James Newton Howard's envolvment is breath of fresh air. He composed a pretty good love theme that appears 2 or 3 times through out the CD, the only memorable cues in my opinion. However it seems like this is his only envolement on the score. What was the extent of the collaboration between the two composers? Did he compose more music in the film? Is this one of those scams from advertising where you put a big name on the cover just to get promotinal attention?

Anyhow I find the music rather depressing, without anything to hold on to other a few of Howards tracks, which don't amounnt to the 17.99 price tag this CD will have on it.
I recommend to see the movie first, and buy this score used...and thats only if you are a Hans Zimmer fan, as Howard fans will be dissopointed,

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