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Maestro Sartori Standard Userer	I don't know how many people are aware of this, but John Williams arrangement of the reprised Throne Room music is actually nearly note for note the same as his rendition he performed for George Lucas upon the occasion of the new Skywalker Sound Studio christening. It was featured on the album John Williams conducts John Williams and the Skywalker Orchestra - The Star Wars Trilogy. Coincidentally, it was on the Sony Classical label, and released in 1990.
posted 05-04-2005 10:08 PM PT (US)

Jim Ware Standard Userer	I'm not particularly fond of the Sith end credits. The appearance of the Throne Room concert arrangement only serves to cheapen it's appearance at the end of Star Wars.
posted 05-05-2005 02:28 AM PT (US)

JClark Standard Userer	I had the opposite reaction. Although I wasn't aware that the Throne Room concert version had been recorded before, I thought that its appearance at the end of ROTS was a triumphalist statement by Williams that essentially celebrates the completion of an epic tour de force. It's vibrant, thrilling music and has me smiling that the epic is finally finished. Does this mean that the end credits don't then function as a musical "bridge" between Episodes 3 and 4? Possibly--but that doesn't bother me in the least. (After all, they're end credits, not scored to film.) If I were ever to listen to all 6 scores consecutively I would probably not listen to them in the order 1-6 anyway; the two trilogies are so different musically that I don't need them to be bridged so seamlessly.
posted 05-05-2005 06:47 AM PT (US)

1st Prime Non-Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jim Ware: *I'm not particularly fond of the Sith* end credits. The appearance of the Throne Room concert arrangement only serves to cheapen it's appearance at the end of Star Wars.** I agree 100% I find the closing credits to be pretty bad. Maybe Williams should have mixed battle of the heros, vader's theme, palpatine's theme & grevious' theme (if he has one). or a battle sequence, thx.
posted 05-05-2005 12:55 PM PT (US)

rkeaveney Standard Userer	Maybe it plays under a Joe Dante-esque end titles sequence where shots of all the characters have their real names supered over top. Maybe they even brought back the announcer from the STAR WARS CHRISTMAS SPECIAL. "...and Bea Athur!" Ryan
posted 05-05-2005 02:39 PM PT (US)

sakman Standard Userer	Until we see the film it is hard to come down one way or the other on this. I was a bit surprised by the appearance of this piece at the end. There are some odd transitions that almost seem as if it was tacked on at the last minute.
posted 05-05-2005 03:27 PM PT (US)

Quill Standard Userer	While I liked hearing the familiar themes, I would have preferred an arrangement of more appropriate themes (ala Battle of the Heroes, Imperial March.) Potentially a forlorn, choral version of the Force Theme would have been appropriate. But as someone mentioned, these are just the credits, so who gives a rat's #$*. My only hope is that the Emperor's theme is more prevalent in the film than on the album.
posted 05-05-2005 08:04 PM PT (US)

lars b Standard Userer	The editing in track 1, from the main theme to 'Revenge Of The Sith' is the worst edit i have ever heard. Am i the only one who thinks that apart from 2 or 3 themes, there is not much memorable music in these three prequels ?
posted 05-06-2005 07:53 AM PT (US)

Erik Woods Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by lars b: [BAm i the only one who thinks that apart from 2 or 3 themes, there is not much memorable music in these three prequels ?[/B] You are the only one! -Erik-
posted 05-06-2005 08:35 AM PT (US)

JoeinAr Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by lars b: The editing in track 1, from the main theme to 'Revenge Of The Sith' is the worst edit i have ever heard. Am i the only one who thinks that apart from 2 or 3 themes, there is not much memorable music in these three prequels ? No, you're correct, Duel of the Fates, Anakin's theme, the Trade Federation theme, the Love theme, there isn't much else. the prequels are insiginicant compared to the original trilogy, they pale in comparison to the Potter trilogy, or the LOTR's trilogy.
posted 05-06-2005 09:01 AM PT (US)

Quill Standard Userer	Well -- if you know the context of the scene (at the end of the scroll) the edit probably makes sense. I would agree that the number of themes pales next to the original trilogy, however, I feel there is quite a bit of good music in between. The funeral music, all of the pieces on Tatooine from AOTC, the Arena in AOTC (even though it wasn't used in the film), and end of Anakin's Dark Deeds are all very solid pieces of music.
posted 05-06-2005 11:07 AM PT (US)

JeffBond Standard Userer	Well, I have seen the film. As for the opening, that IS an edit from the post-scroll music to a different cue from later in the film. However, what follows--the long take of the Force theme and the rest of the long action cue, runs through the entire opening of the movie. And while I didn't stay for all the credits I understand the Throne Room stuff was taken out and replaced with other stuff from the score.
posted 05-06-2005 12:02 PM PT (US)

lars b Standard Userer	Posted by Quill : Well -- if you know the context of the scene (at the end of the scroll) the edit probably makes sense. I understand that the main theme underscores the scroll, and then moves to another theme. It's just badly edited music (maybe only on the album ?). [Message edited by lars b on 05-07-2005]
posted 05-07-2005 05:18 AM PT (US)

Gae Standard Userer	I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned that the music is slower than the original version at the end of the original Star Wars. I wonder whether it was slowed down for timing reasons or maybe Williams prefers it to be played at a slightly slower speed now? Gae [Message edited by Gae on 05-08-2005]
posted 05-08-2005 04:23 PM PT (US)

Jim Ware Standard Userer	That seems to be the standard way of conducting/performing the Throne Room concert arrangement. The opening part of the end titles with the Rebel fanfare and Luke's theme is also marginally slower than the other films.
posted 05-09-2005 05:02 AM PT (US)

Dalboz Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Quill: *But as someone mentioned, these are just the credits, so who gives a rat's #$.** I'm still amazed that this seems to be the general regard for movie credits among the public. Why should the people who made the film not get their moment of recognition?! I swear if the same people who say "I don't watch the credits because they're boring" say "Don't download music because it cheats the artist" I'm gonna blow a gasket ....
posted 05-09-2005 11:28 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Dalboz: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Quill: [b]But as someone mentioned, these are just the credits, so who gives a rat's #$.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> I'm still amazed that this seems to be the general regard for movie credits among the public. Why should the people who made the film not get their moment of recognition?! I swear if the same people who say "I don't watch the credits because they're boring" say "Don't download music because it cheats the artist" I'm gonna blow a gasket ....[/B] I agree, and I think it's really lame of people to leave during the end credits ... unless, of course, it's a terrible movie. It wouldn't matter how good or bad a Star Wars movie is to me, I'd stay still stay for the final credits; if not out of respect, than just to hear John Williams' wonderful music played so loudly. And like Jeff said, he saw the movie and the end credit music is an edit and is not what appears on album, so no reason to fuss. I think what's in the credits on the CD isn't an edit, it's just the way Williams arranged his cues and had them performed: like how Jerry Goldsmith had done the finale cues for his later Star Trek scores ... they don't flow so nicely. On Revenge of the Sith, there's only one glaring bad transition and it's at: "A New Hope and End Credits" 11:14 ... but even at that point, it's the way he arranged it and I can't think of a better solution, can you? NP: Star Trek: First Contact (Jerry Goldsmith) **/***
posted 05-10-2005 09:58 AM PT (US)

Quill Standard Userer	Easy now...I was not implying that the credits themselves are unimportant, but rather I don't get too wrapped up over the score used. After all...how can one piece of music fit a black screen with little white letters more than another? Interesting note on the opening music Jeff...I accepted the edit because I thought the scroll would jump straigt to the battle, hence the quick cut in music might be fitting. If not...then yes...just a poor edit for the score release.
posted 05-11-2005 01:14 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Quill: I accepted the edit because I thought the scroll would jump straigt to the battle, hence the quick cut in music might be fitting. If not...then yes...just a poor edit for the score release. It's actually probably the best edit of all the Star Wars movies next to The Empire Strikes Back. Just no one's used to hearing the main title end so dramatically.
posted 05-11-2005 01:47 PM PT (US)

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