Interesting stuff if that's a taste of the actual score...although I hope there's some room for JNH's influence too. Certainly something I'll be watching...

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Originally posted by sean:
Yeah and for those of us with a Mac, we're not so lucky—the trailer won't show. Thanks a lot MTV (for nothing)!

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About the music: I wouldn't draw any conclusions about the score used here and what will be featured in the actual movie. It's got the Hans Zimmer "sound," but so does any one music cue on The Amazing Race—it's basically just trailer music; there isn't any point in speculating about whether or not it's by Hans or Ramin ... who knows. Jim Dooley did some awful trailer music for King Arthur last year using or lifting samples from The Peacemaker and Equilibrium, so it just goes to show ya' that it didn't even give a hint as to how the final score would actually sound like (which, it turns out, is one of Zimmer's best).

Yawn. Zzzzzz.

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Hey Ryan, I hadn't watched the full version (the link you posted) and this is much longer than the one I saw yesterday. The music is incredible! I think the first part is probably an indication of what the score will sound like, but the end with all the action material probably isn't it. The nearest I can place it to is a cross between Black Rain and King Arthur; it sounds awesome. Unless Spielberg starts showing more in those War Of The Worlds "teasers" than Batman Begins looks to be the second most anticipated film of the summer.

Still concerned about this business about Green Day contribuitng songs to the soundtrack. I'd love to have zimmerito's faith that a score album only will be released based on the ad that Superhero times posted, but I'm still nursing the wounds from Batman and Robin soundtrack (and how poor the movie was).

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Originally posted by Vladimir:
My only question is how do 2 composers such as Newton Howard and Zimmer decide who scores what scenes for Batman Begins? What if they disagree on what the other writes for music? Do these collaborations ever cause tension?? I am not hoping for Zimmer and Newton Howard not get along I just always found it interesting when 2 well known composers collaborate who makes all the decisions?? NP Batman Begins Trailer

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I'm sick as a dog right now, so I've had time to ruminate on this ... haha! I was picturing either Zimmer or Howard writing a theme for Bruce Wayne and that it would be played for the bulk of the first and second act (during his wicked ninja! training from Qui-Gon Jinn) and that as he moved into the role of Batman that the Bruce Wayne theme would be altered into a Batman theme—so, one composer would do the Wayne theme and then the other would twist it with his style to do the Batman theme. But that doesn't answer the question of the overall score; just a thought as to how the main themes would be dealt with, since Hans Zimmer often does themes for specific characters. What'll be awesome is the action: both Zimmer and Howard are EXTREMELY talented at writing action music and it'd be awesome to hear their two styles combined in these cues (and it looks as though there will be plenty of action to cover in this film). And what about a love theme? That'll be a nice touch! It's almost like the big score mystery of the summer, as to what this one will sound like: but garaunteed, it'll be awesome!

zimmerito, "I [often] find your lack of faith disturbing." Glad to see you're not still obessessing over the Hans Zimmer style of the early 1990's—that time has come and gone my friend.

NP: King Arthur (Hans Zimmer) *****/*****

HAHA! I was being a dork and quoting Darth Vader.

Of Pearl Harbour, Zimmer said that if you want action music than go buy Gladiator. I agree with him, since the bulk of the action material is available on that film's Insanely Retarted Edition 5 DVD set (at least, I think it's 5 discs). Black Hawk Down is an awesome score, especially if you've got the additional—mainly action—music (again) on the monster pack DVD set of BHD. The co-composers or "additional arrangers" has never bothered me, so music for M:I 2, whether it's by this or that person, is of no consequence; and that score wasn't at all what I expected: a very nice surprise!

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Originally posted by zimmerito:

And black hawk,just 3 tracks from cd are from the movie,the rest is "inspired".

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I don't think that's true... Tracks 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 and 15 are all in the movie.

I agree with Hans on Pearl Harbor (although there was only 1 cue that sounded like Gladiator), he put together a nice little 46 minute album. Although I want the action music, the CD presented the score for the film pretty good I'd say.

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Originally posted by zimmerito:
i'm fan of hans zimmer and i want apreciate every cue composed by him.I don't have any problem with aditionals,or "friends party" i just hope all the credits always was credited like in peacemaker or tears of the sun.

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... Than if you know Zimmer's music so well it's pretty obvious which tracks he worked on with the albums that don't make it clear. Take The Rock: HZ only wrote the main theme for it, yet people continually throw the entire score—whether they think it's bad or good—on him; it just isn't the case ... the only track on that CD that I'd fully credit to Zimmer would be the first piece, "Hummel Gets The Rockets." (It's just got his sound to it, his style and his orchestrations.)The rest is so obviously by Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams, and Don Harper.

You know, there are other very famous composers working in Hollywood who have people help them on their scores like HZ does. It doesn't bother me one bit. But now what if all those composers listed their "additional arrangers" and "co-composers"? Those who like to gripe about these things would really have their work cut out for them after that. I think it's awesome that HZ names and gives credit to those who lend a helping hand, and he seems like an excellent collaborator to work with. His "thank yous" are among the most detailed you'll ever see from a composer, as well ... look at Kingdom Of Heaven: Harry Gregson-Williams doesn't even thank Zimmer for getting him the job, and it's easily the biggest film (not including the cartoons he's done) he's scored yet with his name being top-billing for composer; garaunteed Hans Zimmer will be thanking Gregson-Williams on the Madagascar CD. If I were you, I'd just sit back, relax, and enjoy the music (or roll with the punches, depending on your point-of-view).

NP: Uncommon Valour (James Horner) *****/*****

Well, based on my own experiences when I co-write a score (on short-movies), and that's also what Gregson-Williams and Powell did on their animated movies I think, they find the themes together (one can have an idea that is final, or the other composer could modify it a little) and once all the themes are done, then they start to compose the score, using a very similar sounds palette, based on the themes they have. That way, one composer can finish a cue started by the other one without problems. At least for me, that's the way I found to have a score that sound as much as possible like one score. And it work fine. And if both composers have a good friendship, it help to avoid conflict. But of course, if you have 2 composers that want all the good spots on the movies, you'll have some conflicts in the end. Now, how Zimmer and Newton-Howard did Batman, that I don't know. But I do remember that one of them said once in an interview that one would start a cue, and let the other one finish it. Anyway, I guess we'll know more about it in future interviews. This will surely be one of the top question asked in interviews. :-)

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Originally posted by zimmerito:
one question about anyone has asked before....
Who will conduct the score?
Pete anthony or Blake neely/glenie smith/bruce fowler????
NP:last of dogmen

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Originally posted by zimmerito:
marselus...has you said "All of them"???????
All of them?????.......
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All of them!
Np:All of theeeeeeeeeem

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HAHA! You're insane!

... But, I guess you talking about track 7 on the King Arthur CD.

NP: Star Trek III (James Horner) *****/***** ("Stealing The Enterprise"!!!)

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Originally posted by zimmerito:
thanks!!! i'm really insane ...
And with King arthur score i'm insane,obsessed....
I'm starting to think King arthur is my favourite zimmer score.No prince of egypt,no broken arrow,bo beyond rangoond,no peacemaker,no last samurai........KING ARTHUR IS MY FAVOURITE!!!!!
Now,i can say this!!!!!
More coherent in orchtrations than Gladiator definetly.
But..i don't know why ,i think glennie smith is the composer of the action piece featured in woads to ruin.
All of theeeeeeeeeeeemmm!Hold the ice!!!!!Budget meeting!!!!and...Arthur the hero(end credits music).
NP:All of theeem!

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Originally posted by zimmerito:
But..i don't know why ,i think glennie smith is the composer of the action piece featured in woads to ruin.
All of theeeeeeeeeeeemmm!Hold the ice!!!!!Budget meeting!!!!and...Arthur the hero(end credits music).
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Nick Glennie-Smith wrote the action music in "Woad to Ruin"!?! Are you crazy!?! Dude, no hard feelings, but Nick Glennie-Smith sucks and his music will never be that good. His music for King Arthur is the horse chase scene through the forest: that's his contribution to the score and it's a damned good thing it didn't make the album, because that piece sucks ass, man. What's on the CD is Hans Zimmer's contribution to the score; none of Glennie-Smith's bad additions are on there, and neither are Rupert Gregson-Williams's cues on there. What on Earth made you think Nick Glennie-Smith could write music even close to that?? His solo efforts are crap, and his style is never as good or as complex as "Woad to Ruin." Sorry, zimmerito, you're gravely mistaken. hahaha...

zimmerito, here's how the CD folds out (I'm sure the actual score in the film contains less of Hans Zimmer's own music):

Pearl Harbour:

1. "There You'll Be" - Faith Hill song
2. Tennessee (Hans Zimmer)
3. Brothers (Hans Zimmer)
4. ... And Then I Kissed Him (Hans Zimmer)
5. I Will Come Back (Klaus Badelt)
6. Attack (Hans Zimmer and Steve Jablonsky)
7. December 7th (Hans Zimmer)
8. War (Steve Jablonsky)
9. Heart Of A Volunteer (Steve Jablonsky)

As I understand it, Zimmer did all the Japanese scenes; it's an obvious orchestral take on his "Japanese" music for Black Rain. The battle in the air music was done by Klaus Badelt, Steve Jablonsky, and Geoff Zanelli using Hans Zimmer's themes, which are mostly rejected action themes and motifs for Gladiator. The heroic theme at the end of the air battle is Zimmer's cue, however, as he does mention this specfically on the Pearl Harbour audio DVD commentary track.