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Originally posted by benefactor:
I'm sure it discussed before, but i just missed. Can anybody remind me why exactly Hans Zimmer left Kingdom of Heaven? Is it some sort of split with Ridley Scott or just scheduling conflict?

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I don´t know the reason, but after Zimmer left Kingdom of Heaven, he started with Madagascar, which was originally composed by Harry Gregson-Williams...it´s kinda funny; anyway, these are things only Media and Ex-Media Ventures composers are allowed to do

1. Burning the Past
2. Crusaders
3. Swordplay
4. A New World
5. To Jerusalem
6. Sibylla
7. Ibelin
8. Rise a Knight
9. The King
10. The Battle of Kerak
11. Terms
12. Better Man
13. Coronation
14. An Understanding
15. Wall Breached
16. The Pilgrim Road
17. Saladin
18. Path to Heaven
19. Light of Life (Ibelin Reprise)

Clayton

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Originally posted by rkeaveney:
Apparently the story goes that HGW was scoring MADAGASCAR, but Zim wanted to, so Zim traded HGW for KINDGOM OF HEAVEN.

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Now I've got this image in my head of Hans and Harry sitting at a grade school cafeteria table trading the sandwiches their mothers packed in their lunches.

"What do you have today, Hans?"

"Ach, Mutti gave me Ridley Scott für lunch AGAIN!"

"Aww, my mom never gives me Ridley Scott! I'll trade ya if you're not gonna eat yours."

"Vat have you?"

"Uh, let's see...oh man, she gave me another stupid Dreamworks animation. Still wanna trade?"

"Ja, okay."

I wish I could show everyone the picture I have in my head, Hans and HGW cramming themselves into those little seats amongst the first graders. It's quite funny.

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Originally posted by James:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by rkeaveney:
[b]Apparently the story goes that HGW was scoring MADAGASCAR, but Zim wanted to, so Zim traded HGW for KINDGOM OF HEAVEN.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now I've got this image in my head of Hans and Harry sitting at a grade school cafeteria table trading the sandwiches their mothers packed in their lunches.

"What do you have today, Hans?"

"Ach, Mutti gave me Ridley Scott für lunch AGAIN!"

"Aww, my mom never gives me Ridley Scott! I'll trade ya if you're not gonna eat yours."

"Vat have you?"

"Uh, let's see...oh man, she gave me another stupid Dreamworks animation. Still wanna trade?"

"Ja, okay."

I wish I could show everyone the picture I have in my head, Hans and HGW cramming themselves into those little seats amongst the first graders. It's quite funny.

Kirk
NP - Fairy Tale: A True Story (Preisner)[/B]

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HAHAHA! That's hilarious, Kirk! Exactly what I was thinking.

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Originally posted by BMikeJ:
How do you know it's stupid? Have you seen it already?

The Crusades: Still Stupid After All These Years

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BMike, it's safe to assume that ANYTHING done by the man who directed White Squall and G.I. Jane will be stupid. The trailer makes the film look boring as hell. Yes, Ridley Scott is dumb for making this movie; apparently it's some kind of "dream project" for him—it's been on his things-to-do list for a long time now.

NP A Fist Full Of Dollars

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Originally posted by BMikeJ:
His recent output hasn't thrilled me but when you look at his overall filmography and look at films like ALIEN, BLADE RUNNER and THE DUELLISTS, which have had an influence on cinema and other mediums that can be felt to this day, it is more than a little ignorant to call him "stupid" or dismiss him because of a couple of films that may have not been worth his time to do. People will still be talking about those films after we are gone. Sean, I don't mean to single you out for any particular reason. I'm just saying be a little more open-minded. You'll enjoy life a lot more.

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AHAHA! BMike, you make me laugh. The three movies you mentioned—Alien, Blade Runner, and The Duelists—are among my favourites, and I consider them to be brilliant works in film. Other than those, Ridley Scott has failed to impress me. To answer your question, Mike, I'm 21 and enjoy life perfectly fine without appreciating new Ridley Scott movies. It isn't "more than a little ignorant" to call him stupid for taking on projects like White Squall and G.I. Jane, or even a slight jump up: Gladiator; I can't speak for you, Mike, but sweaty men fighting in cages doesn't interest me. What would be "worth" his time? I'm sure he thinks most, if not all, his movies are good to a point. And so his films, after the brilliant three you brought up, aren't worth their salt, and should be panned. I see little point being "open-minded" (I assume you mean: taking them seriously) about what he puts out. From what I can tell, Mike, you and I are basically on the same page, except that I think Kingdom of Heaven looks to be a boring movie about an uninteresting topic.

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Originally posted by sean:
I can't speak for you, Mike, but sweaty men fighting in cages doesn't interest me.

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Speak for me! Speak for me! Because that film DOES interest me. And probably for the reasons you're thinking too!

James

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Originally posted by BMikeJ:
I would encourage you, if you haven't already, to take a class on film criticism or a critical thinking class. Calling someone or something "stupid" is not a valid criticism and you owe it to yourself and your peers to offer something a little more substantial than that. And one more thing... The Crusades were not stupid or uninteresting. The repercussions of the Crusades are still being felt in the world this very day.

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You know, Mike, if moviemusic.com were university than I'd use my points of criticism more wisely and would be much harsher in my written combativity. That isn't the case, though, and I find your condescension unappealing. What your suggesting to me is tat amount to suggesting that those who post here at mm.com, who have a limited degree of knowledge of the English language, should all take an English class so that others can better understand them. That's utter nonesense, of course, as is your suggestion that I take a film criticism course or a critical thinking course. Neither of those are needed here, at this message board, and my suggestion to you is to not take my words so seriously; like I posted above, my arguments would be far different in attacking a Ridley Scott film had I allowed myself to take that man's work in earnest. My opinion is that Scott hasn't made a good movie since Blade Runner, and Kingdom of Heaven doesn't look to change that ... and so be it, it'll make little difference to me.

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Originally posted by Bond1965:
True Ridley's work is a mixed bag, but you have to give the man credit for tackling various genres. Gladitor, Hannibal,Black Hawk Down, Matchstick Men, Kingdom of Heaven are quite a line up. Sean, you're just picking 2 films from the mid-90s to make a judgement call.

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I don't have to give that man credit for anything. Gladiator was a better trailer than it was a film; Hannibal was good primarily because it had the virtue of having such a strong cast; Black Hawk Down was a far better and exciting book than it was a racist, military-propaganda film; and Matchstick Men suffers from Nicholas Cage being, well, Nicholas Cage. Bond, you're right, I did only pick two films, because they're the worst of his cannon, but I could have gone into others ...

I took a look at what you wrote and it's still condescending. You're picking a fight is what you're doing, not "trying to keep things civil." If you were actually doing what you say you're doing (and it's in no way your duty to do so) than you'd have your hands full—if you hadn't noticed, I'm not the only one here who chooses to simplify their arguments with words like stupid.

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Originally posted by GrizzlyMV:
By the way guys, GI Jane was done by his brother, Tony, not Ridley.

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The Duellists
A L I E N
Blade Runner
Thelma & Louise
Gladiator

Good Ridley Scott:

Black Hawk Down
1492: Conquest of Paradise
Legend (with Jerry Goldsmith score)
Someone who watch over me
White Squall

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Originally posted by benefactor:
Great Ridley Scott:

The Duellists
A L I E N
Blade Runner
Thelma & Louise
Gladiator

Good Ridley Scott:

Black Hawk Down
1492: Conquest of Paradise
Legend (with Jerry Goldsmith score)
Someone who watch over me
White Squall

Bad Ridley Scott
G.I. Jane
Hannibal
Black Rain

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Originally posted by BMikeJ:
And even bad Ridley Scott is still accomplished, competent filmmaking.

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"The score works as much as a classical piece as it does a film score. Gregson-Williams should be recognized for making the music different from past historical film scores while maintaining a realism to it by incorporating numerous ethnic and religious sounds."

It's essentially Gladiator again, with a strong "heaven" edge (read: big chorus). Not as much solo wailing vocal, but it's there too... Natacha Atlas again. The middle Eastern vibe is strong, and the action music... is regular ol' HGW action music. As fpr the comparison with Spy Game, nope. The thematic material in the score is what makes it worth listening to. Without any kind of theme, this CD is just expensive production library music.