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Originally posted by JohnHJohnson:
Can't we all get along?

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I seem to remember Jack Nicholson said that to the Martians moments before being killed in MARS ATTACKS.

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Originally posted by JohnHJohnson:
Peter, I think this thread has got a bit out of control. Can't we all get along?
Let's just accept that there will be those who are looking forward to the film/score to ROTS and those who aren't. I think you lose the arguement when you start making personal insults.

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Hey, No I did not come on here calling anyones names. I stated that I think the movie is going to suck. It can't help it if people like the Goldenbboy that is BigT throws a tempertandrum just because I said something bad about a film that obviously he is in love with before he has seen it as well. I don't ever start naming calling, until they start calling me **** .
of course I don't let it get to me. To me this is all fun and games and I laugh everytime I see him post something. I don't sit behind the computer and cry when someone bashs one of my films. hehe

Your original comment is annoying because it brought nothing to the discussion...it was intially baseless and irrelevant to the thread.

I can only guess that you were not the jaded party crasher back in 1977 that you are today. Otherwise you would realize that lines such, "That's no moon...its a space station" is just as goofy as anything uttered in the prequel trilogy. You would realize that Hayden Christiansen's acting is better than poor Mark Hamill and his character is more complex.

I think the point your nemesis was trying to make, is that if you were a true fan of Star Wars you would find quite a bit to like in the new films.

If not, well than you can just sit and stew in your bitter nostalgia.

Well put, Quill. I like that!

Sizing up the new trilogy of Star Wars films, I have to say that if you compare the opening crawl texts, Revenge of the Sith is by far the most exciting and fresh of the bunch. The Phantom Menace's mantra about "the taxation of trade routes" (or whatever) is boring, as is the Attack of the Clones talk of "critical issues" in the Senate, when compared to the Revenge of the Sith crawl, which just made me go "WOW!!!" when I read it for the first time, and everytime since:

"War! The Republic is crumbling under attacks by the ruthless Sith Lord, Count Dooku. There are heroes on both sides. Evil is everywhere.

In a stunning move, the fiendish droid leader, General Grievous, has swept into the Republic capital and kidnapped Chancellor Palpatine, leader of the Galactic Senate.

As the Separatist Droid Army attempts to flee the besieged capital with their valuable hostage, two Jedi Knights lead a desperate mission to rescue the captive Chancellor...."

Further, this leads me to believe (from a critical perspective) that Revenge of the Sith could have fit perfectly as the first chapter in the new trilogy. Nothing in that crawl is vague or needs to be expanded to any great length in writing. It's much more clear, captivating, and the freshest thing (other than John Williams' score to Attack of the Clones) yet to come from these new movies. I can't wait!

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unless of coarse somebody can tell me where I can download some leaked tracks(ah I can always dream I guess)

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I could. But after the attack on me lol.. i think i'll keep that link to myself.

Jeff

Con Anima
February 08, 2005

Many times, it has been described how Episode III bridges the saga, and most of those descriptions tend to focus on connections to the original trilogy. But the starting point of that bridge shouldn't be forgotten. When it comes to the Revenge of the Sith score, melodies and phrases from the last two films make memorable return appearances.
One unexpected quotation was the fortissimo finale of Episode I's Coruscant scenes, the swell of trumpets that announced Queen Amidala's departure from the capital to return to Naboo. In this case, the music reveals a massive clone staging area, where Jedi Master Yoda will be joining troops on a mission to Kashyyyk. Immense turbo-tanks and walker units file into the waiting cruiser, while other troops and Wookiee allies help control the flow of traffic.

But this wasn't the standout Phantom Menace reprise from today's scoring. With the London Voices choir joining the London Symphony Orchestra for recording today, the haunting and sorrowful incantations of Qui-Gon Jinn's Funeral reappeared. It is but one of the sad moments that dominate the later moments of the movie. Chorus Director Terry Edwards confers with Composer John Williams, discussing the sound and emphasis desired from the choir. It's not a direct copy of the Episode I cue -- there are variations both subtle and noticeable, including the soft emergence of the Imperial March within the gaps of the dirge and perhaps, to my ear, slightly more prominent tublar bells.

Today -- Monday, February 7 -- is the first of two days that the London Voices will record for Episode III. Today, they accompany the orchestra. In a later session, they will record their choral contributions separately, to add to musical tracks already gathered.

The day began darkly, with a cue fittingly named "Lament." It's a morose choral accompaniment that tracks a darkness that spreads across worlds, across the galaxy. Unlike the more explosive choir pieces from the prequels -- like the warrior chants of "Duel of the Fates" -- "Lament" consists of wordless vocals. It's more of a sweep than an attack delineated with accented downbeats. It's more evocative of the Episode VI choral accompaniments, such as the Emperor's theme or the chilling music heard when Luke finally attacks his father without restraint.

John Williams listens carefully at the balance between the women's voices and the violins that play the same melody. On the screen is a montage of worlds, a veritable galactic travelogue with tragic overtones -- the bridge-slung cities of Cato Niemoidia, the ash-covered ruins of Mygeeto, the sun-drenched fungal valleys of Felucia, the chaotic shoreline battlefields of Kashyyyk.

"I wasn't hearing that nice a blend. I was hearing a lot of individual voices, but not like we heard it in rehearsal," points out Scoring Engineer Shawn Murphy. I am continually amazed by his ear's ability to scrutinize the music for any blemish. He and Williams have an extremely trusting relationship. In the isolation of the control room, Murphy can hear the music as it is recorded by the strategically placed microphones, and advises Williams where there is room for improvements in subsequent takes.

"I'm going to work on the clarity... I think the emotion is there," says Williams. And it begins again.

But it's not all doom and gloom. Without a doubt, Episode III is dark, but there is room for the classic adventure romps -- and accompanying music -- that have become Star Wars staples. These moments happen early in the film, as the explosive space battle rockets the audience straight into the action.

I'm a sucker for combat music. The complexity, adrenaline, and flurry of movements are the hallmark of my favorite John Williams compositions. I'm always partial to the busy strings that add the urgency to the music. In this case, they're portraying Obi-Wan's urgency, his decidedly unJedi-like panic at the maliciously manic buzz droids crawling over his vessel. When Anakin improvises a solution -- and Artoo-Detoo has a moment to shine -- the iconic "Rebel starship fanfare" plays on the brass.

"Don't worry about playing too loudly, people, let's just worry about getting everything properly placed." says Williams. "It sounds very tight and brilliant."

The end result is pure fun. As the two Jedi emerge from their starfighters to continue the battle on enemy turf, there are smiles from the musicians watching the action on the screen for the first time. It's a rousing start to a film with a sobering finale.

In John Williams' leitmotif structure, where key characters are assigned themes and musical phrases, it's often easy to forget that the main title cue of Star Wars is actually Luke Skywalker's theme. It's usually best exemplified when performed playfully, lightly, like the various landspeeder jaunts in Episode IV.
For Episode III, the music appears for the baby Skywalker, played tenderly, fittingly for an early moment in Luke's life. And not far behind is the warm and inspirational sound of the Force theme, the music most associated with the guiding influence of Obi-Wan Kenobi.

This was heard in a cue that will no doubt evoke tears from those prone to such displays ... as it did today in the recording studio.

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Originally posted by Freelancer3216:
THE MAIN THEME LEAKED!!! I got it on LimeWire. It's so @#$%ing AWESOME!!!!!!!! The title plays, and at first it sort of sounds like A New Hope, then it sort of fades out and the London Voices come in with this haunting melody. Then a couple of flutes play a counter-melody, followed by an evil sounding movement which reminded me very much of the Knights of the Old Republic II Theme. Then the voices come back in, sounding almost like Call of the Champions from the 2002 Olympics. Then Darth Vader's theme plays slowly but loudly, and it sounded very Return of the Jedi-esque. Following that a light melody plays on violen that I think (not sure) is related to R2. Then the voices come back again, singing what sounds like a varyation of Dooku's theme with the Orchestra playing Darth Vader's theme softly, then building as the quoir drops out. Then the violens start to play a new melody (which also reminded me of Knights of the Old Republic). Then, THE FORCE THEME!!! A lone french horn plays the first part, then on the last note some flutes come in and start trilling on F, I think. After that, we hear a FULL BLOWN VERSION with just about every instrument including QUIOR!!! Then Darth Vader's theme returns, followed by more haunting voices until the peice fades out and ends.

If you have LimeWire search for Revenge of the Sith, you'll get a copy of the song. Do it people!

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You've been taken for a fool.

I also do not "cry" infront of my computer as Jeff so blantly puts it. Anyways back to topic.

I really can not wait for this film at all. Things are coming ful circle now and we're finally going to be able to see the true reason for Anakin fights his friend and mentor Obi-Wan. We'll see the birth of the Empire and the rise of Palpatine to Emperor. I can't wait.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

See that's the thing. lol.. You guys are talking about the movie and score. So I expressed my opinion about what I think the film will be..a crapfest. But you tell me not to judge the film until I see it.

Yet, most of your are saying that this film and score is going to be great. Well, how can you say it's going to be great if you have not seen or heard it yet????

So I'm just saying, If you have the right to say the film is going to be great before you even see it, then I have the right to say what I feel about the movie before seeing it.

However, I never said anything bad about the score. I do enjoy the scores for both new films and will probably enjoy the score for Sith. But as for the movie.. I don't think i will like it. But I guess we'll see.