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    Topic:   Non-recognition

     starblade
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    I just posted this at FSM's board a few minutes ago and I thought I'd post it here, too.

    I just saw in my local paper here a rundown of all the "important" people that the world lost in 2004. As I neared the end of the list (probably around 200 names and descriptions of who they were), realization hit me that Jerry Goldsmith's name was not on it. It had Elmer Bernstein and some other classical/opera type persons that I do not know of, but no Goldsmith. A travesty.
    I'm very close to letting the paper know of their faux pas. Now, not to belittle Bernstein (for he was just as prolific), I know that most of the regular listening public would not recognize the "name" Jerry Goldsmith, but I bet most of them would recognize one of his melodies if they heard it.
    It just saddens me a little that he didn't get the same recognition...............

    Thoughts?

    [Message edited by starblade on 12-30-2004]

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    posted 12-30-2004 12:55 PM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    I guess it depends on what is defined as "important," but if Elmer Bernstein is included, then the definition of important should easily apply to Goldsmith. To me, any publication and/or journalist who overlooks the passing of Goldsmith in 2004 within the confines of significant "pop culture" has lost major credibility. Sure, Goldsmith's entire life was lived creating music that is supposedly "background music," but a failure to acknowledge a passing legend in this most critical and creative part of movie making is embarrassing and shameful, and worth losing subscribers over, from our perspective anyway. But, it is the way it is.... Goldsmith was a legendary hero of even humility. Perhaps he won't even mind the press and their failures, as most (not all) seemed to fail him while he was alive. His life was better lived than most journalists, and perhaps even entire newspaper companies, and he's likely happy knowing not everyone knows it.

    But I still say yes, damn to all hell those journalies who forget to mention him when looking back.

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    posted 12-30-2004 03:08 PM PT (US)     

     Hector J. Guzman
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    Last night our local Fox station had a little video of people who died in 2004, they also had Elmer Bernstein while his "Great Escape" march played, but no Jerry Goldsmith.

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    posted 12-30-2004 06:36 PM PT (US)     

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    This very sad, but I don't think it's surprising given the way Goldsmith was generally ignored by just about everybody but film score fans while he was alive...


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    posted 12-30-2004 08:47 PM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    In a world where you have to make the sales associate type the title of the movie three different times into the computer just to get the score CD to pop up under the artist "Original Soundtrack", no, it's sadly not suprising that Jerry Goldsmith does not get a more common mention, but I think he does still matter to those who know better.

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    posted 12-30-2004 09:31 PM PT (US)     

     Hector J. Guzman
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    As I just finished watching that show "Primetime" on ABC, they mentioned Elmer Bernstein, but no Jerry Goldsmith.

    I think this is an insult.

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    posted 12-30-2004 11:04 PM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    To whom?

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    posted 12-31-2004 06:01 AM PT (US)     

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    More of the same up north.
    The local French-language CNN clone - Radio-Canada's RDI network - ran a tribute segment to the important or famous folks who died this past year. Pictures of the people were accompanied either with quotes or descriptions of their work.

    They showed Bernstein conducting an orchestra in concert and the text read "One of the greatest film music composers". No Goldsmith though.
    It's good they at least mentioned one of them.

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    posted 12-31-2004 08:31 AM PT (US)     

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    I did notice over at the BBC News website that both Bernstein and Goldsmith were mentioned as notable people in the music business lost to us in 2004.

    Maybe it's Bernstein's main themes for movies such as The Magnificent Seven and The Great Escape - themes that have entered everyday life - that is all that differentiates between being mentioned or not?

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    posted 12-31-2004 02:02 PM PT (US)     

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    Yep, and you know everybody recognizes Patton, but most of them dont know his name. John.

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    posted 12-31-2004 04:17 PM PT (US)     

     Hector J. Guzman
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    Watched earlier tonight the Leonard Maltin remembrance and he also omitted Jerry Goldsmith. He also did not mention Elmer Bernstein.

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    posted 12-31-2004 09:22 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    realization hit me that Jerry Goldsmith's name was not on it. It had Elmer Bernstein and some other classical/opera type persons that I do not know of, but no Goldsmith.

    Yeah, I saw that too. For most of the public, Elmer Bernstein will probably always be remembered as the composer of the "Marlboro" theme, but most will also probably go "Jerry who?"

    Makes me feel kind of marginalized. But there is an upside - watch the Oscars this year and see what kind of applause Jerry (and Elmer) get when they run the passings montage.


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    posted 01-01-2005 09:13 AM PT (US)     

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    Ugh, for articles not to mention Goldsmith at all is b.s. I know I may get shot for this but I have always liked Goldsmith more than Bernstein. I had always thought that he did more memorable themes than Bernstein. *dodges the bullets* But seriously....for most of the places who mention about the great people that passed last year and 99% of them not even mention Goldsmith....screw them.

    It's almost like a slap in the face to Goldsmith that he isn't remembered. *shakes his head*

    Trent

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    posted 01-02-2005 09:38 PM PT (US)     

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    Just came across Time Magazine's rundown of 100 important entertainment people who passed away in 2004 (article is called "The Long Goodbye II" LINK). The author managed to list Elmer Bernstein, Carlo Rusticelli, David Raksin and Fred Karlin, but as fate would have it, no Jerry Goldsmith.

    My conversation with the writer:

    PK: Glad to see goodbyes to film composers Elmer Bernstein, Fred Karlin, Carlo Rustichelli and David Raksin in your article last week, but one noticeably missing, up there on the level with Bernstein. This is a composer who has been related to the idea that "somewhere in the world, every minute of every day, a movie with his music is playing." 300+ movie and television scores to his name. Hint: Fred Karlin, the composer, as Fred Karlin, the director, made a movie about him 10 years ago.

    RC: Jerry Goldsmith?

    PK: Bingo! Now, take a look at those credits.... Chinatown, Patton... I shouldn't even start.

    RC: Yeah, I left Goldsmith out by mistake. Chagrin! I promise to include him, next time he dies.



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    posted 01-26-2005 09:23 AM PT (US)     

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    In the current issue of Entertainment Weekly there is a nice reader letter Bryan Tuck of Wichita Falls, Texas commenting on EW's relegating Goldsmith to the list of entertainers who died in '04.

    Alarmingly, there is also a reader letter bashing Jon Stewart in one breath and praising "fair and balanced" Bill O'Reilly in another!

    Ryan

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    posted 01-26-2005 08:08 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by PeterK:
    Just came across Time Magazine's rundown of 100 important entertainment people who passed away in 2004 (article is called "The Long Goodbye II" LINK). The author managed to list Elmer Bernstein, Carlo Rusticelli, David Raksin and Fred Karlin, but as fate would have it, no Jerry Goldsmith.

    My conversation with the writer:

    [b]PK: Glad to see goodbyes to film composers Elmer Bernstein, Fred Karlin, Carlo Rustichelli and David Raksin in your article last week, but one noticeably missing, up there on the level with Bernstein. This is a composer who has been related to the idea that "somewhere in the world, every minute of every day, a movie with his music is playing." 300+ movie and television scores to his name. Hint: Fred Karlin, the composer, as Fred Karlin, the director, made a movie about him 10 years ago.

    RC: Jerry Goldsmith?

    PK: Bingo! Now, take a look at those credits.... Chinatown, Patton... I shouldn't even start.

    RC: Yeah, I left Goldsmith out by mistake. Chagrin! I promise to include him, next time he dies.


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    Ugh! That article blows. I wonder why so many articles left out Jerry Goldsmith. Personally I myself thought he was more greater than Bernstien. I don't reconize any of Bernstien's music except for the Ghostbusters music. Wonder if Goldsmith is turning in his grave for not getting any recognision(sp?)

    Trent


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    posted 01-27-2005 09:33 AM PT (US)     

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    "more greater than Bernstien." You know, they were both HUGE giants in film scoring. Each heralded in the Silver Age of scoring. Each gifted us with his signature style. Each deserves recognition for artistic achievement. I suggest that if you don't know Elmer Bernstein's music beyond Ghostbusters, you should find the magnificence of Magnificent Seven and the eloqence of To Kill A Mockingbird.

    The loss of both Goldsmith and Bernstein diminishes us.

    NP The Red Pony

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    posted 01-27-2005 11:40 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by BigT1981:
    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by PeterK:
    [b]Just came across Time Magazine's rundown of 100 important entertainment people who passed away in 2004 (article is called "The Long Goodbye II" LINK). The author managed to list Elmer Bernstein, Carlo Rusticelli, David Raksin and Fred Karlin, but as fate would have it, no Jerry Goldsmith.

    My conversation with the writer:

    [b]PK: Glad to see goodbyes to film composers Elmer Bernstein, Fred Karlin, Carlo Rustichelli and David Raksin in your article last week, but one noticeably missing, up there on the level with Bernstein. This is a composer who has been related to the idea that "somewhere in the world, every minute of every day, a movie with his music is playing." 300+ movie and television scores to his name. Hint: Fred Karlin, the composer, as Fred Karlin, the director, made a movie about him 10 years ago.

    RC: Jerry Goldsmith?

    PK: Bingo! Now, take a look at those credits.... Chinatown, Patton... I shouldn't even start.

    RC: Yeah, I left Goldsmith out by mistake. Chagrin! I promise to include him, next time he dies.


    [/B]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Ugh! That article blows. I wonder why so many articles left out Jerry Goldsmith. Personally I myself thought he was more greater than Bernstien. I don't reconize any of Bernstien's music except for the Ghostbusters music. Wonder if Goldsmith is turning in his grave for not getting any recognision(sp?)

    Trent

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    That article does not blows...it SUCKS! How can a professional of the media (call it writer, juornalist, reviewer, whatever...) simply "forget" Jerry Goldsmith? They should be inmediately fired of their paper/magazine/whatever. The thing isnīt about "whoīs the best composer, Goldsmith or Bernstein" (they both are great composers)...the thing is no professional can skip Goldsmithīs name in a list like that.
    Anyway, I think Goldsmith isnīt turning in his grave for this...I really think they are both (Jerry and Elmer) laughing of this, īcause they knew how much we score lfans like his music...and thatīs a fact nobody can avoid nor forget.

    NP The 13th warrior

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