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    Topic:   Who Here Likes The Matrix Trilogy Scores?

     BigT1981
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    So who here likes Don Davis's music for The Matrix Trilogy scores?

    I for one do and in MY honest opinion I think they are underappreciated, underrated. Well most people like the first score...but Reloaded and Revolutions' scores are good. In my opinion The Matrix Revolutions is by far the best Matrix score that Davis did. That one is definitely one that doesn't get much appreciation. So how about it, how many here like all the music?

    Trent

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    posted 11-26-2004 06:27 AM PT (US)     

     Camillu
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    Can't see how a score can be underrated if practically everyone sings its praises.

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    posted 11-26-2004 06:43 AM PT (US)     

     BigT1981
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    Not everyone does...

    Edit: BTW I know Davis used a piledriver in the Matrix scores....question, what the hell does a piledriver look like?

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    posted 11-26-2004 06:55 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    The first score is a masterpiece, one of the best scores of recent years. Reloaded is very good as well (sadly underrepresented on CD - as was the first, but that at least had the DVD iso score), and Mona Lisa Overdrive is one of the highlights of the entire series.

    Now Revolutions...also really good, but Davis got a bit too much into "common Horner territory" for my tastes. Where the first score had lots of avantgarde minimalism, Revolutions has nice, but somewhat generic bombast. So it's still really good, but not as special.

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    posted 11-26-2004 09:46 AM PT (US)     

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    What made his Revolutions score interesting for me was the Indian influence on the music, especially in the final cue, Navras.

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    posted 11-26-2004 11:46 AM PT (US)     

     BigT1981
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    I disagree, Davis did NOT ever no where near go into a "Horner terrority" as you put it Marian. True the themes and that and some notes were used through out all 3 scores but he wanted to keep the music constant since it was a Trilogy and I am sure the Wachowski Brothers did as well.

    Not to be rude or anything but for you to say that he went into "Horner territory" is utter bull crap.

    Trent

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    posted 11-27-2004 07:08 AM PT (US)     

     Camillu
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    Nice to see that BigT has a firm grasp of the rules of civil debate.

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    posted 11-27-2004 07:27 AM PT (US)     

     PeterK
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    Bulls have udders?

    The first score is fantastic. If anything, Varese should release a deluxe edition CD of the original Matrix score. A club release? A SACD hybrid? Yeah, whatever... the format doesn't matter. As long as it's under $20 and runs 70 minutes.

    Has anyone been petitioning Varese about this?

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    posted 11-27-2004 09:01 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    quote:
    Originally posted by BigT1981:
    Not to be rude or anything but for you to say that he went into "Horner territory" is utter bull crap.

    Not every time I write the name "Horner" do I refer to his copying of themes. Of course the Matrix scores have to be consistent; if anything, I find them not consistent enough, as should be obvious if you read my first post.

    What I was talking about is a certain "bombast sound" which is similar to Horner's *style*. If I'm not mistaken, Davis did some orchestrations for Horner, so it isn't surprising that even the first Matrix score shows some clear Horner influences - the sentinel motif sounds very reminiscent of some Aliens stuff to me.

    NP: Michael Collins (Elliot Goldenthal)

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    posted 11-27-2004 10:55 AM PT (US)     

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    Marian youre obviuslly a clueless fanboy

    IMHO fo cuores,

    Regards,
    Dinko A. Fanboy

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    I can see what you mean though by Horner territory and I fully agree with your description of the trilogy. On the other hand, the generic bombast gives Revolution a more consistent and less experimental sound, so that has its advantages as well.

    (BTW, NP: Bruckner 4th - Sawallisch )

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    posted 11-27-2004 12:00 PM PT (US)     

     BigT1981
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    Bombast sound? Right whatever....I still don't notice any "influance" or things sounding similar in "style" like to Horner's music for The Matrix scores...

    Trent

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    posted 11-28-2004 12:30 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Listen to Aliens, e.g. Ripley's Rescue at 0:33. Then listen to the sentinel motif in any of the Matrix scores.

    In case of failure, buy new ears.

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    posted 11-28-2004 05:31 AM PT (US)     

     BigT1981
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    My ears are fine thank you very much, I heard that cue and there is definitely NO sentinel motif in there. As Dinko said you're a clueless fan boy..

    Trent

    Edit: Like I said there's definitely NO sentinel motif in the Ripley's Rescue cue and the spot you mentioned DOES NOT even sound close to the sentinel theme.

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    posted 11-28-2004 07:48 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    (I never said the sentinel motif was lifted from Horner. I said it's very similar to passages from Aliens)

    quote:
    Originally posted by BigT1981:
    As Dinko said you're a clueless fan boy..

    Ok, I am miss the point.

    Next.

    [Message edited by Marian Schedenig on 11-28-2004]

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    posted 11-28-2004 08:51 AM PT (US)     

     BigT1981
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    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by PeterK:
    Bulls have udders?

    The first score is fantastic. If anything, Varese should release a deluxe edition CD of the original Matrix score. A club release? A SACD hybrid? Yeah, whatever... the format doesn't matter. As long as it's under $20 and runs 70 minutes.

    Has anyone been petitioning Varese about this?<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>


    Yeah I hear ya on that one! The one that Varese originally released was a joke! As one of my friends pointed out it was nothing more than a "sampler" CD and he was right. I don't think there's a petition going for that. I also don't think that it would be under $20.00...it might who knows, but it would be nice if Varese released the full score for The Matrix. Actually I wished all 3 would get a proper full release.

    We got screweed over on Matrix Reloaded...the 2-disc album was a joke...The 2nd disc had very little Davis cues on it less than the first Matrix score CD if I remember correctly. It's stuff like that when music companies can release these 2-disc "album" sets to a score they should release the full score right then and there instead of just these stupid meesly OST "sampler" CD's.

    Trent

    Edit: Just checked, the Davis cues on the Reloaded 2-disc "Album" are only 7 in total...3 less than the first Matrix score. The Matrix Revolutions had the most which was 16 cues.


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    posted 11-28-2004 09:33 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    It's 6 Davis cues on Reloaded, not 7 - Chateau[/] is by Rob Dougan. It's running time that matters though and not number of cues, so this might be slightly longer than what Varese gave us from the first score.

    Anyway, I'd certainly buy a decent expanded [i]Matrix release. There's about 100 minutes of music that should be released (including the few songs that blend with Davis' score). And if this ever becomes true, I hope they give it a better mix too.

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    posted 11-28-2004 09:41 AM PT (US)     

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    I like the music just fine....more than just fine...just not enough to justify buying a 10 disc set of the film to listne to. What I have now is perfect.

    Joe

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    posted 11-29-2004 01:56 PM PT (US)     

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    It's interesting how little people talk about juno reactor's contributions to the scores, especially when talking about tracks like Mona Lisa Overdrive. I realize that Ben Watkin's influence waned in Revolutions, but still, the Matrix trilogy overall represents my favourite orchestral composer/electronica producer co-op effort since Kamen and Orbital on Event Horizon.

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    posted 11-29-2004 09:51 PM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Probable:
    It's interesting how little people talk about juno reactor's contributions to the scores, especially when talking about tracks like Mona Lisa Overdrive.

    I wonder. Mona Lisa Overdrive is clearly my favourite piece of music combining orchestra with techno-type electronics. Yet the end credits cue Juno Reactor did for Revolutions, sampling cues from Davis' score, is quite poor in my opinion. So I'm not sure to what parts they should share my praise for Overdrive.

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