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Topic: Star Wars DVD Music Mix Botched!

Eric Paddon

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I generally take the view that improved sound and picture for an inferior cut of the film isn't a good trade-off. That's why I refused to buy the DVD cuts of "1776" or "It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World" or "The Alamo" so until Lucas gets his act together, there's no reason for me to change habit.
posted 09-26-2004 08:32 PM PT (US) 
Indysolo

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And since the sound is not improved on this release, and the candy coloring of the film is a joke, there is actually very little to recommend about this release.Neil
posted 09-27-2004 08:07 AM PT (US) 
TV's Frank

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Not a complaint, more of a comment - I had forgotten how they restored music in ESB which had previously been cut or re-tracked, such as the 2 scene shifts from Dagobah to Vader which use the score as heard on the album instead of what was tracked. Also, there is a bit more of "The Departure of Boba Fett" heard as Leia and Lando fire after Fett in Slave 1. The cue used to cut out as the ship blasts away, now it continues up til the cut back to Luke vs Vader...
posted 09-27-2004 08:27 AM PT (US) 
Eric Paddon

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I have found alas, that having any kind of discussion on HTF about this is an exercise in futility. One rather arrogant person from Venezuela takes it upon himself to think that just because he has no trouble maintaining obsolete formats in his self-described third world country, that every American who wants the original cut is going to have no trouble getting it any time from now to eternity.But that alas is not how it works. Sure, I've been lucky myself, but I have also lived in remote backwater places where there wasn't anyone in sight who knew how to fix a LD player, or knew the first thing about how to get a new one, and since I am seeing e-bay auctions for the original cuts shoot up to high prices (and I know because I am unloading my duplicate LD copies), the argument that used LDs are readily available is another lie from the Lucas whitewash brigade.
Obsolete formats may endure for the short-term but over the long-term they disappear to the point that while something still exists, it loses its degree of accessibility. Many vintage TV programs in archival vaults can't be brought out because they're on obsolete 3/4 inch videotape and no one thought to transfer them to up to date formats. I fear we are in for the same thing with the original SW trilogy over the long haul until Lucas gets it through his head that there is a market that wants the original cuts as a *choice*.
posted 09-27-2004 08:45 AM PT (US) 
jonathan_little

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Eric, don't speak out against this set at the Home Theater "Don't-Question-What-You-Get" Forum with any sort of regularity or you'll find yourself banned. I was banned yesterday without warning. It even looks like somebody went through and removed some of my comments from that Star wars thread.Somebody there is covering their ass big time.
[Edit: Earlier I thought they had removed all of my posts from the main Star Wars thread. After closer inspection it appears that three of my posts were spared from deletion.]
[Message edited by jonathan_little on 09-27-2004]
posted 09-27-2004 11:52 AM PT (US) 
Eric Paddon

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The rude Venezuelan's need for foul language in his postings was enough to tell me time to get out of that thread. From now on, I'm sticking to just TV series threads at HTF since they've been a lot safer.Sorry to hear about what happened to you there.
[Message edited by Eric Paddon on 09-27-2004]
posted 09-27-2004 12:15 PM PT (US) 
Indysolo

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They've sold their integrity at the Home Theater Forum for free DVDs and THX tours. No one who actually cares about quality and knows of the mistake on "A New Hope" could actually recommend this set and sleep at night unless they were bought off somehow. The fact that Jonathan's posts were deleted and he was banned tells of this.I was banned, too. I've never cursed there. I've never insulted anyone. I could back up every claim I made about "A New Hope" there with good solid evidence. The only problem is, I was speaking out against Ron's sponsors. In fact I questioned Ron on several occasions and that's what led to my being booted, I think. They have not responded to my e-mail asking why I was banned. None of my posts, to my knowledge though have been deleted. I guess it would look to suspicious, since I'm a pretty well known poster in that Star Wars thread.
I've had some interesting observations as an observer lately. Someone there called me a "dickhead". His post has been removed, but he has not been banned. Someone else defended me there after my banning and then later he e-mailed me: he had been banned. A person that argued against me about the missing music I pointed out is now realizing that the music really is missing and wants it fixed. Someone accused me of just wanting to bash the set in anyway when I said the dialogue track went from sounding like AM radio to CD quality in the middle of a sentence. Yesterday, someone posted the exact same thing and was never accused of having a grudge. I'm noticing a lot of hypocrites there and anyone who posts there that they enjoy this set is actually going against that boards "Mission Statement". It's a very disappointing thing.
Neil
[Message edited by Indysolo on 09-27-2004]
posted 09-27-2004 02:38 PM PT (US) 
Camillu

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Finally sat down to watch 'Empire of Dreams' today (the lengthy documentary on Disc 4).It's sadly ironic that during the short segment on Williams' score, there a point where we see Williams conducting the LSO with Star Wars on the screen behind them, and the narrator mentioning how the score exceeded Lucas' expectations. At that very point (just before the 1 hr 11 mins mark), the narration goes quiet and you hear a full rendition of the Force theme as the X-wings swoop down into the trench - the very piece that was muted out of the ANH DVD.
Very weird.
posted 10-05-2004 03:18 PM PT (US) 
Camillu

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Finally sat down to watch 'Empire of Dreams' today (the lengthy documentary on Disc 4).It's sadly ironic that during the short segment on Williams' score, there a point where we see Williams conducting the LSO with Star Wars on the screen behind them, and the narrator mentioning how the score exceeded Lucas' expectations. At that very point (just before the 1 hr 11 mins mark), the narration goes quiet and you hear a full rendition of the Force theme as the X-wings swoop down into the trench - the very piece that was muted out of the ANH DVD.
Very weird.
posted 10-05-2004 03:22 PM PT (US) 
jonathan_little

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quote:
Originally posted by Camillu:
At that very point (just before the 1 hr 11 mins mark), the narration goes quiet and you hear a full rendition of the Force theme as the X-wings swoop down into the trench - the very piece that was muted out of the ANH DVD.Very, very sad. Somebody needs to resurrect Bernard Herrmann for a few minutes so he can go apes--t on whoever messed with this great score.
And I went into the sister store of the devil today, Sam's Club, and they had the fullscreen DVD of Return of the Jedi playing all mangled up on various widescreen HDTV sets. It pains me to see such stupid stuff like this.
[Message edited by jonathan_little on 10-05-2004]
posted 10-05-2004 04:55 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
