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Topic: No Straight Answer STAR WARS

Maestro Sartori

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Why is it we can't get a straight answer about whether or not John Williams re-scored the Imperial theme into Episode IV: A New Hope, and will it be included on the new re-re-releases of the Special Edition CD's in September?J.C.
posted 08-25-2004 09:52 PM PT (US) 
justin boggan

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Cause they are waiting till the last minute to tell us they have once again fu(ked up Star Wars and don't want to lose any sales by announcing it early.You could try contacting William Ross and seeing if he knows, or can pass your question along to Williams.
posted 08-25-2004 10:17 PM PT (US) 
HAL 2000
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Can't you just wait and see mext month... I mean if it's that important to you.
posted 08-26-2004 07:08 AM PT (US) 
Ron Pulliam
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Wait? WAIT???Are you MAD???????????????/
How on earth can anyone pre-order AND wait?????
One must know exactly what one is PRE-ORDERING!
And yes! It is important to some of us to PRE-order -- why should we wait until an item is available to everyone who wants one right now??????
Tis far better to stake one's claim in advance and then watch everyone else scramble!
It was the difference between getting the 2-CD "Young Sherlock Holmes" for $29.95 and NOT getting it, then seeing it go for hundreds of dollars on EBay.
It was the difference between getting the 6-CD set of "Jerry Goldsmith at 20th Century-Fox" for $140 and then learning it was sold out before it shipped, and then seeing it go for over $200 on EBay.
PRE-ORDERING is a WAY OF LIFE. And questions must be answered sometimes.
[Message edited by Ron Pulliam on 08-26-2004]
posted 08-26-2004 09:16 AM PT (US) 
scoreguy16

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I never preorder because it doesn't come by the release date. And then I think "well, if I hadn't pre-ordred, I could just go to the store and get it now..." Does anyone know which places ship CD's so that you get them before the release date?Clayton
NP>Free Willy 3 (Got it for $1 and everyone should check it out! It's friggen good!)
posted 08-26-2004 09:30 AM PT (US) 
Ed
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I can't claim to give an authoritative answer, but postings on JWFan.Net and elsewhere suggest that the Imperial Theme changes rumored for Ep IV are simple cut-and paste jobs from previously recorded music, nothing new. We'll see in September.
posted 08-26-2004 10:26 AM PT (US) 
Camillu

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Much as I favour leaving everything the way it is, I guess hearing one statement of the Imperial March as we see Vader walking through the smoke onto the Rebel ship in the bigginnning wouldn't alter the overall score much, and would ultimately make sense. But hopefulyl they won't try to work it into other moments of the film, where it would be replacing other pieces of music.
posted 08-26-2004 10:42 AM PT (US) 
HAL 2000
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I know I must be in the minority here but I've always loved the original "evil Empire" fanfare Williams wrote for Star Wars. It was simple, menacing and grand, all in its 4 notes. I'd hope they would'nt replace it in the movie.
posted 08-26-2004 12:13 PM PT (US) 
Dan Brecher

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I'd hope they would'nt replace it in the movie.They haven't. No subsequent additions and alterations have been made to the music on the DVDs at all.
Those dreadful music loops and edits from the 1997 releases remain however.
Dan (UK)
posted 08-26-2004 12:51 PM PT (US) 
Quill
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Well--I for one wish they had made this change. I am all about continuity.I would have also like to see Ian McDiarmid inserted into Empire as well.
Zak
posted 08-26-2004 01:25 PM PT (US) 
Dan Brecher

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I would have also like to see Ian McDiarmid inserted into Empire as well.You'll have something to be happy about with the DVDs then. That change has happened.
Dan (UK)
posted 08-26-2004 01:46 PM PT (US) 
rkeaveney

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Originally posted by Quill:
Well--I for one wish they had made this change. I am all about continuity.I would have also like to see Ian McDiarmid inserted into Empire as well.
Zak
You know what I'm for? Seeing the ****ing movies the way they were when they were first released.
What's next? Inserting a "Camp Crystal Lake" sign into EVIL DEAD II?
Ryan
posted 08-26-2004 05:12 PM PT (US) 
sakman

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Zak[/b]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>You know what I'm for? Seeing the ****ing movies the way they were when they were first released.
Ryan[/B][/QUOTE]I agree. The "Special Edition" versions just did not add anything. I still prefer the original musical ending to ROTJ without the large scale blurred scenes and "new music" added. I wonder if Lucas even knows what the original film looked like!
posted 08-26-2004 09:24 PM PT (US) 
Quill
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Easy there Ryan...you're gettin' a tad emotional.I agree that this set should have included the original versions of the films as well. That being said, I feel the changes made to ANH and TESB enhanced the films...while the additions in ROTJ were for the most part unnecessary.
I disagree about the ending of ROTJ though. The universe of the Star Wars saga as expanded since the original release of the trilogy. While the original ending was cool that it focused on the characters, the claustrophobic view of the SW universe does not fit the overall story arc. For me, the new ending worked because it maintained the critical elements of the original while expanding the scope. Music wise...Ewoks singing versus the new music...no real preference.
posted 08-27-2004 07:48 AM PT (US) 
Camillu

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I'd be happy if they just removed the scream while Luke falls. I think that's the worst alteration made.
posted 08-27-2004 08:11 AM PT (US) 
Dan Brecher

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Luke's scream is gone.Dan (UK)
posted 08-27-2004 09:20 AM PT (US) 
Camillu

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You're serious!!??!!I have actually regained quite a chunk of respect for Lucas if that is true...
So did someone at the ranch actually sit down and go through the Special Edition changes and see which ones suck and which don't?? Hope so, but maybe they should have done that in 1997

Wow, Dan, you've made my day with that news.
posted 08-27-2004 11:48 AM PT (US) 
Dan Brecher

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Yeah it's gone. The DVDs are funny beasts though. I got to go over everything on the four discs about a month ago, and for every good change or reversion back to how something was originally, something new crops up that sort of cancels out an improvement (such as Boba Fett being redubbed in Empire, Hayden Christensen as Anakin's ghost in Jedi...etc).Dan (UK)
posted 08-28-2004 08:43 AM PT (US) 
Camillu

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I recently found the orignal version of Episodes V and VI in good condition on VHS at my video-rental guy, and convinced him to sell them to me. I guess I'd better take care of them.Still, removing that scream is worth 5 ugly additions IMO.
posted 08-28-2004 10:09 AM PT (US) 
BMikeJ

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I'm happy to hear that Luke's scream is missing from Mr. Toad's Wild Ride in The Empire Strikes Back. I'm still really, really bothered by the Han/Greedo thing in A New Hope.<Looking left and right for Triumph>
posted 08-28-2004 12:17 PM PT (US) 
Jim Ware

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The Han/Greedo thing has changed slightly. It still looks crap.[Message edited by Jim Ware on 08-28-2004]
posted 08-28-2004 02:15 PM PT (US) 
Gae

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Hey, dont worry guys. In years to come, when Lucas has drained us of all our money and all the financial possibilities from the Star Wars franchise have been sucked dry, I'm sure he'll re-release the original films on DVD. The press-release will go something like this...
"Due to huge public demand,George Lucas has decided to give in to the pressure from his Star Wars fan's and re-release the original versions of the Star Wars trilogy on DVD. In order to maintain as accurate a representation as possible, the films will be lovingly restored to their original condition.(..i.e. those dusty VHS tapes that Lucas has stashed away somewhere in his vaults will be transferred onto disc) THX has even gone so far as to replicate the original muffled audio of those sub-standard sound systems of cinemas back in 1977, therefore giving his fans that all-round nostalgic experience of being back in the days when we had a life."
Gae
[Message edited by Gae on 08-30-2004]
posted 08-29-2004 03:03 AM PT (US) 
azahid

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quote:
Originally posted by Dan Brecher:
Yeah it's gone. The DVDs are funny beasts though. I got to go over everything on the four discs about a month ago, and for every good change or reversion back to how something was originally, something new crops up that sort of cancels out an improvement (such as Boba Fett being redubbed in Empire, Hayden Christensen as Anakin's ghost in Jedi...etc).Dan (UK)
Dan,Care to elaborate on the documentaries on CD 4? Are their detailed interviews on John Williams and scoring session clips in it?
Thanks,
Amerposted 08-29-2004 10:47 AM PT (US) 
Dan Brecher

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Care to elaborate on the documentaries on CD 4? Are their detailed interviews on John Williams and scoring session clips in it?Well there is only one documentary, and then three featurettes focusing on elements of the films (four if you count the Episode III/Vader thing).
So in the main documentary of nearly two and a half hours in length is there much focus on the music? No, there's less than five minutes spent on the music toward the end of the section on Episode IV which is pretty pathetic all in all.
There is some nice footage from the recording sessions of ‘A new Hope’ however, but coupled with about a minutes worth of Williams on camera and some input from Lucas on the score that's about it.The documentary as a whole is nice don’t get me wrong, but I think most people will watch it once and leave it an eternity to bother with it again as even with its ridiculous running time it's not really that rewarding despite there being a good deal of unseen b-roll footage from the sets of all three movies (don't expect any deleted scenes).
You appreciate it the first time because there is genuinely a wealth of unseen production footage to see, but then on subsequent viewings its flaws in the structure become all too apparent and it becomes rather tedious to a degree because one realises that all the previously unseen footage is really what the documentary has going for it. So after you've seen material like Kurt Russels screentest and the odd blooper...etc once, then...
The documentary is also very much "George the pioneer!" so if fans can't stomach people blowing smoke up Lucas' arse then it's probably not going to go down that well with many on a first viewing, let alone a second.
Dan (UK)
posted 08-29-2004 06:43 PM PT (US) 
azahid

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Thanks for the info Dan,I hoped that they'd at least do a full fledge documentary on the scores ala LOTR DVD sets. Howard Shore recieved so much respect in those sets.
Amer
posted 08-29-2004 08:47 PM PT (US) 
Camillu

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This website has some confirmed and rumoured changes.http://free.hostdepartment.com/s/starwarstrilogydvd/main.html
Some of the changes seem much-needed, like the Rancor scene. Other are just general spring cleaning. But the one that has me confused is putting Hayden in at the end instead of Bernard Shaw. Why does Luke see a young Anakin as he was when young, but Yoda and Obi-Wan as they were when they died?
Ah well. 3 weeks left.
posted 08-31-2004 07:00 AM PT (US) 
Ed
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Looks like someone at Home Theater Forum finally got an anwer on this remastering business:http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=208707
There is no SACD planned; the albums are ordinary remastered cds. Save your pennies.
[Message edited by Ed on 09-01-2004]
posted 09-01-2004 01:37 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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Originally posted by Ed:
There is no SACD planned; the albums are ordinary remastered cds.DSD remastered. Which means there's a possibility that they'll have stunning sound.
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Save your pennies.I probably will. But only because the existence of new DSD masters means that they might still come out on SACD someday (if the SACD format stays around, I'm rather sure they will).
posted 09-01-2004 05:33 PM PT (US) 
Ed
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I hope they have been improved. There's always room for improvement.More specifically, I hope an adventurous audiophile out there will pick up these new releases and enlighten the rest of us. I'm curious.
posted 09-02-2004 10:18 AM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
