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Dinko

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http://edition.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/05/18/troy.score/quote:
Keeping score
The other music of 'Troy'By Nick Nunziata
CNN Headline News
Tuesday, May 18, 2004 Posted: 1721 GMT (0121 HKT)(CNN) -- "Troy" is the number one movie this week in a lot of countries thanks to an aggressive, simultaneous worldwide release.
Wolfgang Petersen's epic retelling of "The Iliad" made quite a splash in the box office thanks to its late surge in marketing and the considerable appeal of abundant well-oiled and toned bodies of both sexes.
Themes of greed, power and revenge often pale in comparison to ridiculously perfect bodies projected 30 feet tall.
The Achilles heel of "Troy" isn't its thinly veiled political statement about our current climate or the murk of Homer's source text. In fact, the biggest weakness of the film has nothing to do with what is in the film, but rather what isn't. The original score created for the film by the talented and lauded composer Gabriel Yared (who is also an Oscar winner for "The English Patient") was left out of the movie.
Late in the development process of the Brad Pitt epic, Yared's work (whose "The Talented Mr. Ripley" work ranks among my very favorites) was deemed unfit by the powers that be. This is nothing new; these decisions happen all the time.
"Pirates of the Caribbean" went through a late composer swap, and Ridley Scott's '80s fantasy "Legend" has drawn considerable controversy for its shift from the legendary Jerry Goldsmith to Tangerine Dream for its theatrical release (the current DVD features the unused music much to the delight of fans), a decision that literally affected how the film was received and how well it aged. What makes "Troy" a different animal is the Internet and the communication freedom it allows the spurned composer.
On his Web site, Yared not only explained the situation that resulted in his work going unused, but also allowed for readers to download the music he created to showcase his work in comparison to his replacement, James Horner of "Titanic" fame. As a result, audiences have a chance to hear what could have been.
Many critics, including myself, felt that Horner's contributions felt too familiar or generic. Yared's work was richer, more global, something seemingly coming from a more soulful place. Were it still in the film I believe my opinion of "Troy" would go from positive to extremely positive. There's a synergy between image and sound that when tapped correctly, greatly enhances the overall experience. The original score for the film certainly applies to that rule.
So often the decisions made during the filmmaking process are made with commercial considerations in mind or to fulfill an obligation. Too often the soundtrack for a film is just a collection of marketing decisions and in a period film like "Troy" the only way to tap that vein is by using a known voice during the end credits like they did here with Josh Groban. Obviously, the recent success of the "Lord of the Rings" closing numbers helped contribute to the trend.
In the end, it boils down to taste, but for those keeping score of the score I'd recommend a listen to Yared's far superior work while you can.
posted 05-19-2004 05:33 AM PT (US) 
TimT

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Well its good that the words out, but I wonder if Yared's recent actions will affect his career.
posted 05-19-2004 06:50 AM PT (US) 
ESB

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Super! It's good to see that the large press is noticing and is opposed to this ridiculous trend of firing composers nowaydays. Practically everybody should agree that Troy could have been better with Yared's score like the author says. The responsible executive that made the wrong decision to fire Yared should draw his conclusions. In my opinion he messed up big time.
posted 05-19-2004 07:00 AM PT (US) 
Justin

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NICE! I don't think anything will happen to Yared. Anxious to see how this turns out though
posted 05-19-2004 08:03 AM PT (US) 
HadrianD

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It's funny how I was just talking to my coworker about the movie and the score when I got to this thread.I truly hope that Gabriel's score will get a release since it deserve it. It's a truly noteworthy score that far exceed the bland, anonymously dull, and by-the-number score from Horner. GODDAMMIT Horner's score was one of the worst decision with the movie.
posted 05-19-2004 08:42 AM PT (US) 
franz_conrad

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Originally posted by HadrianD:
GODDAMMIT Horner's score was one of the worst decision with the movie.An interesting alternative take on the Troy score, one that I didn't expect from MovieWave:
http://www.moviewave.net/titles/troy.htmlposted 05-19-2004 04:09 PM PT (US) 
HadrianD

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That IS a surprisingly favorable review, especially one coming from MovieWave. For me, the score made me think of so many other Horner score that it almost detracted me from ever enjoying the movie. Granted, some part work, but most of the time, Horner tread established grounds, even though some of those grounds are new to him. As a score, it served the need of the movie, yet lack any depth, wholly derivative of current trends and convention.
What the movie really need was a score that would have impart the underlying religious theme, internal chaos and godly motivations of its tragic heroes. From what is provided on his site, Yared's score tried to get at those sensibilities. Horner provided just the surface material, providing stock fanfares , overused age old themes and relied on typical vocals to get his paycheck.
Bah... you don't have to be a fan of Gabriel Yared to realize how good the music would have served the movie better, provided that you've watched it.Oh well.
posted 05-19-2004 07:59 PM PT (US) 
Marian Schedenig

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Originally posted by HadrianD:
As a score, it served the need of the movieI disagree.
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What the movie really need was a score that would have impart the underlying religious theme, internal chaos and godly motivations of its tragic heroes.From what I've heard about the original Iliad (which I've still not read, unfortunately), they removed nearly all references to gods anyway.
posted 05-20-2004 04:23 AM PT (US) 
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I'm not a big fan of Yared's scores, but I went to the site and checked out the tracks. With the exception of two tracks I could've skipped easily- I would have bought this score. It is exceptional- and if they'd release now, which they won't, I'd buy it out of sheer principle.
posted 05-20-2004 05:55 AM PT (US) 
Southall
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The thing is - and this is a problem that must have plagued film composers since moviemaking began - is that it's all well and good to say that Horner should have delved into the inner meaning of the story etc etc, but the fact is that the movie itself is a surface-level piece of popcorn entertainment, no more. There is nothing vaguely deep about it, so for the music to try to suggest something deep, it would end up sounding quite silly and just not working.One of my favourite film composers is Alex North and one of his most remarkable scores is Dragonslayer. The thing is, it is simply far, far too good for the movie and ends up just sounding out of place. I kind of think the same thing about Troy and even, for that matter, Air Force One. Randy Newman and Gabriel Yared were scoring movies that were far better than the ones actually in front of them. The replacement scores are nothing like so satisfying, musically, but fit the movies better and still make fine albums.
I spent quite a bit of time writing that Troy review - more than usual, I must admit - because I can't remember the last time I felt so at odds with the consensus about a score. If people didn't even know it was a replacement score for a fine work by Yared or that it had been written in 13 days, would they keep the same opinion about it? I'm not sure.
posted 05-20-2004 09:25 AM PT (US) 
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I think the vitriol over Horner's score has been overdone too--it's certainly one of the most enjoyable albums I've heard from him in years, derivative or not. Yared's score is a true work of art though. We'll never know how Yared's score played with the movie but I agree that a work of art might not have been what this big dumb movie needed. We're never going to know though...
posted 05-20-2004 09:55 AM PT (US) 
PeterK

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Originally posted by Southall:
There is nothing vaguely deep about it, so for the music to try to suggest something deep, it would end up sounding quite silly and just not working.Which is exactly how I felt when hearing the ethnically vague wailing female vocals. Talk about out of place and not working....
posted 05-20-2004 11:13 AM PT (US) 
Tim_P

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I don't necessarily think Yared's score is particularly "deeper" than Horner's- it's just really well-written film music. Even though there's an air of pretention with track titles like "Priam's Fugue," there's nothing in the music that suggests this music is better fit for the concert hall than the silver screen. I just think Yared worked really hard on the score and made a lot of great musical choices- strong themes, good orchestration, and very few compositional cop-outs. Horner's score, on the other hand, is full of sloppiness and shortcuts. The derivative factor aside, the score is just soooooo repetitive, and not just the repetition of ideas and chunks of music between tracks, but often boring repetition in the same track. How can anyone not be bored by track 2 "Troy" when all Horner does is repeat the same phrase over and over again, modulating literally about 10 times? And it would be something if Horner was trying to go somewhere with the music there, but he's not. Or what about "The Greek Army and Its Defeat" which is just the same segment from Prokofiev's "Battle on the Ice" repeated ad nauseum...It's getting faster. Woo-hoo.
Have we all lowered our standards with Horner so far that when he turns in a slightly louder than normal score, we deem it good or excellent? (Yeah, I know he only had 13 days...)Tim
posted 05-20-2004 12:55 PM PT (US) 
Southall
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Originally posted by Tim_P:
Have we all lowered our standards with Horner so far that when he turns in a slightly louder than normal score, we deem it good or excellent? (Yeah, I know he only had 13 days...)Tim
Well, that's a question to ask the majority of folks who creamed their pants while listening to The Missing, a decidedly mediocre and bland score placed alongside Troy.
You make valid points, but Horner's score certainly seemed more varied and interesting to me than many of his recent ones. Still, I thought Beyond Borders was terrific, so perhaps I'm just a little daft.
posted 05-20-2004 01:19 PM PT (US) 
Camillu

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In that case I'm daft too, and get extremely daft during the last track.
posted 05-20-2004 02:08 PM PT (US) 
Hasta
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James didn't you give The Missing **** 1/2?
posted 05-20-2004 04:11 PM PT (US) 
Southall
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Originally posted by Hasta:
James didn't you give The Missing **** 1/2?Yes. But I don't think it's nearly as good as Troy. I hate star ratings.
posted 05-20-2004 04:44 PM PT (US) 
franz_conrad

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Originally posted by Southall:
I spent quite a bit of time writing that Troy review - more than usual, I must admit - because I can't remember the last time I felt so at odds with the consensus about a score. If people didn't even know it was a replacement score for a fine work by Yared or that it had been written in 13 days, would they keep the same opinion about it? I'm not sure.Almost certainly not. There would still have been a dispute, but this one would be between: (a) Profokiev lovers, (b) Stargate lovers, (c) Horner lovers, and (d) People who didn't notice the music at all.
Interesting review though. Moviewave always manages to surprise me in the way it looks at a score which achieves a consensus elsewhere. But - just between us and the 1000 others reading - is there not a teensy-bit of consciously-playing devil's advocate here? Naysaying for sake of saying nay?
(And better than 'The Missing'? :goggleeyed: )
posted 05-20-2004 04:53 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
