What I've heard of Yared's score is awesome. Very powerful and everything the buzz indicated. I've not heard any of Horner's score but I'm sure it serves its purpose just fine.

I never said it was the only reason. I simply said:

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And I now have no doubt that the only reason this score was outted was because Horner came in and bought Yared out behind his back.

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But hey, that's my own personal postulation. My own. Haha, my precious.

In all seriousness, I apologize if anyone took that as "fact" -- it's not as far as I know. I think it stands as a perfectly viable possibility, especially when you take into account all of the petty politics that occur in Hollywood - the politics people don't generally hear about (we as fans saw an inkling of this with the recent Zimmer / Rifkin dispute). Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't - I would like to hope it didn't. But, I have a hard time believing Yared's score was dismissed solely on its creative merits. And if it was, then as I've said before, that says an awful lot about the state of the industry.

At the end of the day, it's important to realize that the complete truth about Gabriel Yared's brilliant, yet sadly rejected score will most likely never surface.

What I think we can all agree on is that an underappreciated talent was given his chance to shine - and he did - but for whatever reason, that spotlight was tragically taken away from him, and replaced with one-month fixer-upper.

I go in today because of the astounding news posted here and boom! I can't get in because of the updated flash media or some sh!t.

I think it's a plot to force us to download the new version for some evil reason - besides, macromedia has spyware and for those of your who don't know, go do a google search for and download:
Spybot Search and Destroy
and
Ad-Aware (From Lavasoft)

Well, it's official - I can't hear Yared's clips. Fu(ked before I got threw the door.
:-(

Why not take the time to create a godd/\/\an site that is accessable to most, if not all users. No everyone has, or wants to upgrade or download macromedia. Dickwads.

Horner's score is nice and safe. He once again stays within the confines of his comfot zone and doesn't try to push himself outside of his limited box of tricks. This isn't a bad thing necessarily. If you like Horner's style its a great listen on CD. But for those of us who actually pay attention to the music in a movie this has a negative effect. It pulls us away from the moment that we are supposed to be watching and we think, "OHHHH there's that music from A Perfect Storm, and Enemy at the Gates and Clear and Present Danger."

And now after listening to the wonderful clips from Yared's rejected score it is going to be a shame to sit through Troy and think, "WHERE THE FU(CK is MADMARTIGAN ISN'T HE SUPPPOSED TO SHOW UP AND FIGHT THE BAD GUYS WHEN THIS FLOURNER MUSIC PLAYS?!"

Anyways, loved Yared's Troy, and I guess the least I can do is e-mail the man and let him know.

dave

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Originally posted by franz_conrad:
Gee, love these threads about unreleased music.

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I can't speak on PeterK's behalf, but I welcome you here Danny G.

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Originally posted by Jeron:

I never said it was the only reason. I simply said:

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Did you look at what you just wrote? You never said that it's the only reason, but you said it's the only reason?

Of course it's ok for test audiences or studio execs who find the music old fashioned to express their voice but heavens forbid those of us who find the music to be fine, we don't know what the hell we are talking about.

I guess since we aren't on the inside of the movie making process, masturbating our egos like some people, our opinions have no weight what so ever.

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Originally posted by VaultComplex:
Did you look at what you just wrote? You never said that it's the only reason, but you said it's the only reason?

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Can someone please downl;oad those tracks and put them somewhere for me and others that can't access tyhe site to listen? Or e-mail them to me until you start getting bounce backs saying my e-mail is full, pretty please?

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I guess since we aren't on the inside of the movie making process, masturbating our egos like some people, our opinions have no weight what so ever.
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Speak for yourself! My ego weighs a heathy 3 lbs. 5 oz.

Now with that out of the way i would say that i heard last month about 10 minutes of this score by Yared,and at the time i said that it sucked,those ten minutes aren't anywhere in this clips,so i think it wasn't going to be a part in the movie,but they were really bad.~

As for this clips,i think they are good,but i can understand when those test audiences said that the music is too old fashioned,it really his,it sounds like a score that Miklos Rosza or Victor Young would do.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing,but it's understandable.

Between the two scores i would say that they are both good,but if James Horner had a year to compose this score (like Yared had),i think that the Horner score would even better than the Yared score or his recent score for Troy (what a great soundtrack that his)

NP-Troy by JAMES HORNER

Okay, I'll start with the most pressing issue first....Don't worry, the world can rest easy: Peter O'Toole is indeed still God.

Troy is a pretty good movie. The action sequences are slick and exciting, of course, but more importantly every character is great and well defined. The script is by David Benioff, who wrote 25th Hour (the novel and the film), and it doesn't fool around. The dialogue never dwindles into dullness nor reaches too high. Benioff knows exactly what the dialogue in a Greek war epic populated by Shakespearean actors should sound like, and he pulls through.

That said, though the acting is mostly quite good, there are a few week links:

1. Brad Pitt - It really hurts me to say this, because normally I am one of Pitt's staunch defenders. People throw a lot of dirt at him for his image, but all you need to do is look at his work in Fight Club or 12 Monkeys. He's a fine actor. Here, I think the problem is simply bad casting. Brad Pitt is horribly out of place, and he just doesn't have the right kind of style for this kind of drama. His dialogue is clearly intended for a classically trained actor with an English accent, and he simply doesn't cut it.

2. Orlando Bloom - This guy is starting to tick me off. I remember when I first saw him in The Fellowship of the Ring I thought, "Wow, this guy's great. Where'd they find him?" Then Pirates of the Carribean came along, and I still thought he was pretty good. But after seeing Troy, I'm starting to get the impression that he's only capable of delivering one performance, and he's making his career out of delivering this one performance in every single film. I've only seen him play three characters, so it's not like I'm through with him, but I hope he starts showing a bit of variety.

3. Garrett Hedlund - This guy is seriously cringe-inducing, so much so that I got the impression he was cast for the sole purpose of making Brad Pitt look good.

The rest of the acting is solid, even magnificent. The real revelation is Eric Bana. He was good in The Hulk, but that didn't even remotely prepare me for how spectacular he was as Hector. Mark my words, some time in the next five years the phrase "Academy Award Nominee" will be printed above his name whenever it shows up in a trailer. If the moviegoing public still has even a remote perception of what great acting is, this guy's going to be huge.

James Horner's score is perfectly serviceable. There's a suitably brassy heroic theme for Achilles, a bunch of vaguely Eastern vocals and percussion, and an exceptionally generic love theme which during the end credits is turned into an exceptionally generic song. It does its job, but that's about it.

And that rather illustrates how I feel about the film's final success as a whole. It's a grand, lavish production, but it's always falling just short of attaining the greatness that I think it was entirely capable of reaching. And I think it all comes down to Wolfgang Peterson. He's a thoroughly competent action director, but he just didn't have the scope of vision necessary to take this film as high as it could go. All the elements of potential are there; you've got (mostly) great actors, a script that's worthy of their presence, a solid production crew (including a wonderful cinematographer, Roger Pratt) and the expansive budget necessary for making this sort of epic. And Peterson succeeded in making a film that's briskly paced, good-looking, exciting and definitely enjoyable, but he just wasn't visionary enough to really make it something special. Achilles is striving throughout the film for the kind of glory that will make him immortal, so that his name will be remembered for ages; I seriously believe that Troy could have earned that type of immortality in film history, but instead most people will see it, be enthralled for a few hours, and then most likely forget all about it until the DVD comes out.

One thing is for certain in my mind: Gabriel Yared's score could have been an enormous factor in pushing this film into the boundaries of greatness. While James Horner certainly supports the picture, Yared's was the type of score that could have brought the film to entirely new dimensions. It's on the same level as Miklos Rozsa and Alfred Newman; perhaps it could have even entered the same realm as Gone with the Wind and Lawrence of Arabia. I really don't think I'm exaggerating; Yared's contributions were THAT good, and it's a gigantically painful disadvantage to the film that it's not part of the finished product.

Kirk
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I just saw a TV ad for the score/soundtrack! (mentioning Groban, Horner, and the vocalist)... I don't think I've ever seen a commercial dedicated to a score album before (ever!).

BTW, that song in the Troy credits was HORRIBLE.

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Ok, who gives a **** ! Yareds score was alot better that Horners score...from the clips I've heard..But it was rejected, Horner brought some of his older scores in and took pieces from each one and edited them together to sound new. Hey, **** happens! Nothing we say or do is going to get Yared score put back into the film. Get over it people. So you guys can bitch, fight and complain like a married couple, but it ain't going to solve anything.

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Doesn't mean we can't nor shouldn't discuss and express our opinions on the topic.

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Originally posted by Jeron:
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[b]Ok, who gives a **** ! Yareds score was alot better that Horners score...from the clips I've heard..But it was rejected, Horner brought some of his older scores in and took pieces from each one and edited them together to sound new. Hey, **** happens! Nothing we say or do is going to get Yared score put back into the film. Get over it people. So you guys can bitch, fight and complain like a married couple, but it ain't going to solve anything.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Doesn't mean we can't nor shouldn't discuss and express our opinions on the topic.

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What fu(king stupid test audience thought THIS was bad?????!!!!!

Excellant!!!!!

Thanks to a link in a scorereviews.com post, I was appearently able to bypass that sh!tty macromedia thing.

Man alive!!!!! I hope this gets released!

Gabriel Yared should get more big time action scores!

Sorry for using so many "!"s, but, wow!

[rul]http://www.gabrielyared.com/flashsite/index2.htm[/url]

"Hector's Funeral" evokes some of those evil female vocals Joseph LoDuca would use in Hercules: The Legendary Journeys.

"Achilles and Briseis" reminded me a bit at the beginning of a theme from Carter Burwell's The Jackel. Then that disappeared. (Maybe Burwell would have been an interesting choice for the movie)

"The Flurry" took me right back to the days of Spartacus.

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("Ada Plays" from Cold Mountain is wonderful)

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"Paris and Hilton"

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I was wondering - I thought no one might catch that.

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The end of the cue "Approach of the Greeks" sounded liek the end of a cue from The Quick and the Dead by Alan Silvestri. The "Gun fight montage" music.

"Hector's Funeral" evokes some of those evil female vocals Joseph LoDuca would use in Hercules: The Legendary Journeys.

"Priam's Fugue" - Wonderful. Just listen to that in the dark laying down with the CD player onm your chest would be great.
I can imagine music like this being played as some God Father movie shows people being whacked while they do their stuff. :-)

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One thing that Yared does not have is any memorable melodies-Horner's score does...

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Sorry Franz...I didn't hear them either.

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One thing that Yared does not have is any memorable melodies-Horner's score does...

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[b]One thing that Yared does not have is any memorable melodies-Horner's score does...<HR size=1></blockquote>

I take it you didn't hear the memorable themes for Troy, the Greeks, Achilles and Briseis, Paris and Helen and Hector then? Because I've been humming four of those five ever since I heard them.[/B]

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These are the same fools that say there are memorable "themes" in Danny Elfman's "Spider-man." Yeah...right.

One thing Yared CAN do is write a melody. His "Troy" music is FULL of memorable themes. Especially that End Credit song.

This must be the phase where everyone goes back to bashing Yared now. I just love the way this shifts back & forth.

First he wasn't big enough or the right type of composer. Then we get Horner's music and everyone bashes him. Then we hear Yared and we love him. Now it's back to loving Horner and hating Yared.

I think both scores have their merits. I happen to prefer Yared's. To each their own.
But you CAN'T say he doesn't write memorable themes.

James

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For more memorable Yared themes see "Moon in the Gutter," "Camille Claudel," "Map of the Human Heart," "The Lover," "Possession," etc.

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