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    Topic:   jazz in the movies

     brooklyn
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    I'm looking for jazz (either by famous artists or very well-compositions) used in movies. Not big band or swing.
    Need help for school project!

    My thanks in advance for anyone who can help me out with this!

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    posted 04-12-2004 04:15 AM PT (US)     

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    You could try ALFIE by Sonny Rollins, DEATH WISH by Herbie Hancock or THE THOMAS CROWN AFFAIR(NOT the Pierce Brosnan remake) by Michael Legrand.

    That's a start for you anyway

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    posted 04-12-2004 04:59 AM PT (US)     

     PeterD
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    You might want to consider the movies represented on this CD for a good sampling:
    http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?userid=O9t1YTdIS7&ean=74646067123

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    posted 04-12-2004 07:38 AM PT (US)     

     joan hue
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    Check out two great ones by Elmer Bernstein: WALK ON THE WILD SIDE and MAN WITH THE GOLDEN ARM.

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    posted 04-12-2004 07:46 AM PT (US)     

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    The Russia House!!!!!!!!

    25th Hour is another excellent example of jazz in movies. But again, you must find Russia House. It is Goldsmith's most refined score IMO.


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    posted 04-12-2004 03:59 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by PeterD:
    You might want to consider the movies represented on this CD for a good sampling:
    http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?userid=O9t1YTdIS7&ean=74646067123

    A good group for sure. Some other ideas: THE GAUNTLET (Fielding), TOUCH OF EVIL (Mancini), M SQUAD (Count Basie, John Williams et. al., TV), I WANT TO LIVE! (Mandel) and SWEET SMELL OF SUCCESS (Bernstein). And (not for the faint of heart), THE FRENCH CONNECTION and FRENCH CONNECTION II (Ellis). Seldom has there been a better assemblage of jazz talent than is found on THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN ARM, however.


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    posted 04-12-2004 06:21 PM PT (US)     

     Graham Watt
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    All the above suggestions are good ones, brooklyn, but I'm not sure at all what you're actually looking for. Actual scores, or data about jazz in movies? And when you say "not big band or swing", what do you mean? Small ensembles? Only by jazz musicians or jazz-tinged scores by other composers?

    If you're looking for juicy info though, David Meeker's book "Jazz In The Movies" is absolutely indispensible. My print is from the late 70s - I don't even know if it's still available or has been updated since then, but it's a great resource and a mine of information. It includes not only credits for and comments on all the film scores written by people associated at some time with jazz (Lalo Schifrin, Gil Mellé, Oliver Nelson etc etc), but jazz performers working on other scores (Alton Redd as percussionist on Max Steiner's KING KONG, Shelly Manne as tympanist on Rozsa's KING OF KINGS, Emil Richards playing on Goldsmith's PLANET OF THE APES, and so on).

    Specify exactly what you need and we'll try to help out more here!

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    posted 04-24-2004 02:56 PM PT (US)     

     James Phillips
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Graham Watt:
    All the above suggestions are good ones, brooklyn, but I'm not sure at all what you're actually looking for. Actual scores, or data about jazz in movies? And when you say "not big band or swing", what do you mean? Small ensembles? Only by jazz musicians or jazz-tinged scores by other composers?

    If you're looking for juicy info though, David Meeker's book "Jazz In The Movies" is absolutely indispensible. My print is from the late 70s - I don't even know if it's still available or has been updated since then, but it's a great resource and a mine of information. It includes not only credits for and comments on all the film scores written by people associated at some time with jazz (Lalo Schifrin, Gil Mellé, Oliver Nelson etc etc), but jazz performers working on other scores (Alton Redd as percussionist on Max Steiner's KING KONG, Shelly Manne as tympanist on Rozsa's KING OF KINGS, Emil Richards playing on Goldsmith's PLANET OF THE APES, and so on).

    Specify exactly what you need and we'll try to help out more here!


    Graham,

    Gil Melle's use of Ragtime in the tv production of THAT CERTAIN SUMMER predated Marvin Hamlish using Scot Joplin for THE STING. Gil also used jazz in THE ORGANIZATION and in THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR.

    I do have a question: how much of a contribution did Oliver Nelson make on LAST TANGO IN PARIS?


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    posted 04-24-2004 08:56 PM PT (US)     

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    That's right, James, I've heard Gil Mellé's great scores for THE ORGANIZATION and THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR. Splendid stuff, and quite advanced in their way (as you know, Gil was way ahead of his time). Many other Mellé scores are jazz flavoured, particularly his TV Movie work from the 70s. Anyone remember THE PRESIDENT'S PLANE IS MISSING? What a tremendous score.

    As regards LAST TANGO IN PARIS, Gato Barbieri's music was "arranged and conducted by Oliver Nelson", though I seem to recall reading that Nelson wrote some cues himself. I wouldn't be surprised - I saw the film again quite recently, and there's one exterior scene near the end, of Marlon Brando puffing heavily through the streets, which has music very similar to his ZIG-ZAG (FALSE WITNESS), with all that driving percussion. No solos from Barbieri in that piece - I'd say it's 100% Oliver Nelson. You can hear his touch all the way through, though I imagine that the actual thematic material was indeed written by Gato Barbieri.

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    posted 04-25-2004 08:32 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Graham Watt:
    That's right, James, I've heard Gil Mellé's great scores for THE ORGANIZATION and THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR. Splendid stuff, and quite advanced in their way (as you know, Gil was way ahead of his time). Many other Mellé scores are jazz flavoured, particularly his TV Movie work from the 70s. Anyone remember THE PRESIDENT'S PLANE IS MISSING? What a tremendous score.

    As regards LAST TANGO IN PARIS, Gato Barbieri's music was "arranged and conducted by Oliver Nelson", though I seem to recall reading that Nelson wrote some cues himself. I wouldn't be surprised - I saw the film again quite recently, and there's one exterior scene near the end, of Marlon Brando puffing heavily through the streets, which has music very similar to his ZIG-ZAG (FALSE WITNESS), with all that driving percussion. No solos from Barbieri in that piece - I'd say it's 100% Oliver Nelson. You can hear his touch all the way through, though I imagine that the actual thematic material was indeed written by Gato Barbieri.



    I may have to ask Barbieri himself. He has been performing at two New York clubs on a regular basis for the past two years (The Blue Note and S.O.B's).

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    posted 04-25-2004 08:53 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by James Phillips:
    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Graham Watt:
    [b]That's right, James, I've heard Gil Mellé's great scores for THE ORGANIZATION and THE ULTIMATE WARRIOR. Splendid stuff, and quite advanced in their way (as you know, Gil was way ahead of his time). Many other Mellé scores are jazz flavoured, particularly his TV Movie work from the 70s. Anyone remember THE PRESIDENT'S PLANE IS MISSING? What a tremendous score.

    As regards LAST TANGO IN PARIS, Gato Barbieri's music was "arranged and conducted by Oliver Nelson", though I seem to recall reading that Nelson wrote some cues himself. I wouldn't be surprised - I saw the film again quite recently, and there's one exterior scene near the end, of Marlon Brando puffing heavily through the streets, which has music very similar to his ZIG-ZAG (FALSE WITNESS), with all that driving percussion. No solos from Barbieri in that piece - I'd say it's 100% Oliver Nelson. You can hear his touch all the way through, though I imagine that the actual thematic material was indeed written by Gato Barbieri. <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>


    I may have to ask Barbieri himself. He has been performing at two New York clubs on a regular basis for the past two years (The Blue Note and S.O.B's).[/B]


    Graham,

    As an aside, did you know that Nicholas Dodd, the true orchestrating wonder behind David Arnold is Denise Melle's (Gil's wife) godson?


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    posted 04-25-2004 11:23 AM PT (US)     

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    Ocean's Eleven??? If I remember correctly it had some pretty jazzy tunes

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    posted 04-25-2004 11:31 AM PT (US)     

     Graham Watt
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    No James, I didn't know that Gil Mellé/David Arnold connection. Just to continue with the "six degrees of separation" trivia, I suppose I'm also connected to Mellé, because my best friend's sister's best friend got married to David Arnold, colleague of Nicholas Dodd, godson of Mrs Mellé, wife of Gil!


    Good luck with trying to interview Gato Barbieri. It's a pity Oliver Nelson is no longer with us to give us his side of the LAST TANGO story.

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    posted 04-26-2004 04:28 AM PT (US)     

     John C Winfrey
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    Like Joan, I have always liked those famous Bernstein scores above and some of North's too. Waxman's Crime in the Streets music was the forerunner to West Side Story. Have any of you noticed how similar it is? Written a few years before that. Add Bernstein's great Rat Race too.

    Lots of great jazz scores out there. Goldsmith even did some-WArning Shot, etc.

    Take care, J.

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