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Bond1965 Standard Userer	Well I was told about his late last week, but asked not to repeat it. Now that the cat is out of the bag over at the FSM message board I'll post it here for those who don't know: James Posted: Mar. 31, 2004 - 1:21:54 PM /IP: 206.170.104.11 By: msmith (Junior Member) I was looking through the Christopher Young website today and saw that a 2 CD promo of "The Core" was in the works. I decided to call Intrada for any information on this since they had done CD promos of his film scores in the past. I was told that the promo is being made by Chris Young himself and not by Intrada. Then I him if he knew how anyone could get this promo. I was so stunned by his responce that I had to ask him to repeat what he told me. He said that all people who ordered Chris Youngs score of "The Tower" will get a 2 CD promo of the film score of "The Core" FOR FREE. Please do not bombard Intrada with phone calls to confirm this information. The CD's are set to be mailed out today. Unless you live outside the United States, you should be getting your order soon. If anyone out there knows Chris Young, or knows how to get in touch with him, please send him our greatest gratitude and thanks.
posted 03-31-2004 01:53 PM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	SNNBreakingNews: New twist on legal bootlegs I still don't know why anyone would want a Varèse Sarabande-style release of The Core. I'm even more clueless as to why anyone would want 2 CDs of it. But heck, if it is true and if it makes some FBs happy, fine by me. [Message edited by Dinko on 03-31-2004]
posted 03-31-2004 03:52 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	A general FYI: The Core is an absolutely fantastic sci-fi action/adventure score. If you're a fan of Chris Young, it's an must -- has to be one of the most exciting and overlooked scores he's ever written. The movie was pretty ridiculous, but the music is a true gem. Also: The Tower is a 100% legit album. Dinko, where do you get off thinkin' it's a bootleg? If you're referring to The Core, it's a FREE CD, produced by the composer, as a gift to those who purchase The Tower. Or... that's how I see it. Bootleg: To produce, distribute, or sell without permission or illegally: a clandestine outfit that bootlegs compact discs and tapes. This is an age-old debate, but I'm not sure why anyone would complain about a free disc, produced by the composer himself, for his fans. Jeron [Message edited by Jeron on 03-31-2004]
posted 03-31-2004 05:01 PM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeron: The Tower is a 100% legit album. Hence the expression legal bootleg. [Message edited by Dinko on 03-31-2004]
posted 03-31-2004 05:23 PM PT (US)

Lancelot Standard Userer	HUH? Somebody tell me this is an April Fool's rumor.
posted 03-31-2004 05:55 PM PT (US)

Lancelot Standard Userer	I mean...really...I can't even scrape up a copy of "Swordfish"...you really think there's a 2-cd "Core" out there...?
posted 03-31-2004 06:06 PM PT (US)

rkeaveney Standard Userer	This reminds me of those eBay auctions: "You're not bidding on the $5000 cash inside the box, you're bidding on the paper the box is wrapped in"!! Seriously, THE CORE is a fantastic action score that features some of the most insane parts for chorus I've heard since Randy Newman scored Joan Allen's masturbatory orgasm in PLEASANTVILLE. Ryan
posted 03-31-2004 06:43 PM PT (US)

justin boggan Standard Userer	Dinko, I assume by FBs you mean Ferris Bueller's..... ryan, you say that like it's a bad thing. And no this clinches it - I will The Tower.
posted 03-31-2004 08:03 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Ryan...you need to get a room with yourself. --Brian
posted 03-31-2004 11:59 PM PT (US)

John Zimmer Standard Userer	Why didn't people mention this before? Oh well I'll be happy with The Fury... JZ NP: Kikujiro (Joe Hisaishi)
posted 04-01-2004 05:13 AM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by John Zimmer: Why didn't people mention this before? LOL, because it's still a rumor. I guess those of us who ordered it will be finding out soon.......... I can't wait.
posted 04-01-2004 11:10 AM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Dinko: Hence the expression legal bootleg. Legal bootleg... oxymoron, eh? Dinko, The Tower is legal... just as legal as The Return of the King, or Hidalgo, or Britney Spear's latest (though it's debatable whether hers should be). So... if The Tower is a "legal bootleg," does that make any of the above, a "legal bootleg" as well? Or, is the fact that The Core, a free gift produced by the composer and included for the fans, bothering you so much you're now rambling silly things?
posted 04-01-2004 11:18 AM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	We've been over this before in a remote past, but let's try again... Bootelg: 20$, limited, illegal. Composer promo: $20, not for sale, limited, semi-legal ("For promotional purposes of the composer only") Varèse Sarabande CD Club: limited, 20$, legal. Intrada Super Expanded Limited Deluxe Special Ultimate Extra Crispy Collector's Edition: $20, limited, legal. The Tower: like a bootleg, only legal. Description "Legal bootleg" stands.
posted 04-01-2004 02:00 PM PT (US)

Dylan Standard Userer	Umm, just so you guys know, this IS confirmed, this IS the real thing. A friend of mine told me about this two weeks ago, but I (nor he) was allowed to let it flow out. It's such a beautiful little surprise from Young. Dylan
posted 04-01-2004 02:17 PM PT (US)

RogerFeigelson Standard Userer	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Dinko: We've been over this before in a remote past, but let's try again... Bootelg: 20$, limited, illegal. Composer promo: $20, not for sale, limited, semi-legal ("For promotional purposes of the composer only") Varèse Sarabande CD Club: limited, 20$, legal. Intrada Super Expanded Limited Deluxe Special Ultimate Extra Crispy Collector's Edition: $20, limited, legal. The Tower: like a bootleg, only legal. Description "Legal bootleg" stands.<HR size=1></blockquote> I'm totally not getting this. First...a bootleg is illegal by definition, so calling something a legal bootleg is an oxymoron. It can't exist. Second, the only thing that differentiates the INTRADA Special Collection and INTRADA Signature Editions is the profile of the title. Same price, sometimes same # of titles pressed. So why is one "$20, limited, legal" while the other is "like a bootleg, only legal." So for example, how do you distinguish between Varese's 1000 pressing run of THE ISLAND vs. the 1000 pressing run of THE TOWER? Roger [Message edited by RogerFeigelson on 04-01-2004]
posted 04-01-2004 03:11 PM PT (US)

RogerFeigelson Standard Userer	duplicate. sorry. [Message edited by RogerFeigelson on 04-01-2004]
posted 04-01-2004 03:25 PM PT (US)

Southall Standard Userer	I've spoken about this in the past and so don't want to dwell, but I don't see that there is a particular differential between the so-called "composer promos" with "Not for sale" plastered all over them, which are then sold with various people - not including the publisher of the music, or the musicians, of course - making tidy little sums off them, and bootlegs. However-- that's not the case with The Tower. Everyone who's owed money is being paid it. I don't see how anyone could classify it a "legal bootleg". Intrada continues to release things that other labels wouldn't - and kudos to them for that. I have so many great albums in my collection that Intrada have released. My Bruce Broughton collection would be virtually non-existent otherwise! God bless Intrada.
posted 04-01-2004 03:45 PM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	SNNBREAKINGNEWS: STPD ON THE LOOSE! quote: Originally posted by RogerFeigelson: So for example, how do you distinguish between Varese's 1000 pressing run of THE ISLAND vs. the 1000 pressing run of THE TOWER? I for one do not. Nor do I distinguish between Intrada This and Intrada That. Limited, illegal & $20 = bootleg. Limited, licensed & $20 = legal bootleg. Oxymoron, hydromoron, fanboymoron... doesn't matter either. Just about the only difference between the licensed limited stuff and the illegal bootleg titles is that one is licensed, the other not. Otherwise, the similarities are easy to see. I'm sorry if is so easy to associate a legal line of products to an illegal bunch of frisbees, but there are more similarities than there are differences.
posted 04-01-2004 05:37 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	So the fact that it's limited is making you a sourpuss? Come on, Dink. Oh man. If it's licensed, it's completely legitimate. It's limited because Intrada's a small label, The Tower is a film that's hardly known, and if they sell all their units, that's a heck of a thing. Big labels aren't going to put out titles like this. We're lucky Intrada will... after all, they're not so much for promoting the film, as they are for promoting the composer's work. J
posted 04-01-2004 05:41 PM PT (US)

Lancelot Standard Userer	Add to which, isn't EVERYTHING limited?
posted 04-01-2004 06:00 PM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	Jeron, thanks for the rant. Though I fail to see why you felt the need for most of it - it's not like I'm denying the fundamentals behind soundtrack economics. But thanks anyway!
posted 04-01-2004 07:09 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	Oh, I know... just felt that since you were blabbering, I'd blabber back. You're like a good game of Tetris, Dinko! Always fun.
posted 04-01-2004 07:14 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by RogerFeigelson: *I'm totally not getting this. First...a bootleg is illegal by definition, so calling something a legal bootleg is* an oxymoron. It can't exist.** <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> Basically there is no SPOON. [Message edited by franz_conrad on 04-01-2004]
posted 04-01-2004 11:11 PM PT (US)

Lancelot Standard Userer	Right up there with "self-plagurism" and other fun terms we stumble upon as score collectors....
posted 04-02-2004 04:01 AM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeron: Oh, I know... just felt that since you were blabbering, I'd blabber back. You're like a good game of Tetris, Dinko! Always fun. Try Sextris. Next to it, I'll look like a Four Feathers CD sitting on a store shelf with two inches of dust on it.
posted 04-02-2004 07:24 AM PT (US)

Bond1965 Standard Userer	This is another case of a "good news" topic being totally killed by lame responses. Ya know, Christopher Young, bless his heart, produced and distributed "The Core" promo as a gift to fans who bought "The Tower" and instaed of thanking him or being appreciative we get lame ass repsponses and whining. Makes you wonder why anyone would bother to do something so nice for their fans. James P.S. In case someone who matters reads this: Thank you Chris Young, Doug Fake and everyone at Intrada for providing us with these releases.
posted 04-02-2004 01:07 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Bond1965: This is another case of a "good news" topic being totally killed by lame responses. Ya know, Christopher Young, bless his heart, produced and distributed "The Core" promo as a gift to fans who bought "The Tower" and instaed of thanking him or being appreciative we get lame ass repsponses and whining. Makes you wonder why anyone would bother to do something so nice for their fans. James P.S. In case someone who matters reads this: Thank you Chris Young, Doug Fake and everyone at Intrada for providing us with these releases. Whoa dude, I don't really see anyone being mean here or pissed off. I just see them trying to get the whole "promo"/"bootleg"/"legal" issues straightened out. No one is complaining. You'd have to be a fool to complain about something like this. A REALY BIG one at that. Clayton NP>Restoration
posted 04-02-2004 01:36 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	LOL, I wrote something long and thought out, but then decided there was just no point. I share James' sentiments. [Message edited by Jeron on 04-02-2004]
posted 04-02-2004 02:06 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Goofball.
posted 04-02-2004 02:50 PM PT (US)

Lancelot Standard Userer	Bond, I don't think the matter is that people are unappreciative, although one would be hard pressed to find a topic on this board that isn't vandalized with its share of lame responses. Unfortunately, that's one contributing factor to some members' hardened cynicism about the movie-music community (on this, or any other board.)
posted 04-02-2004 02:55 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	So, I just got The Tower, complete with 2-disc The Core. Awesome!
posted 04-05-2004 04:49 PM PT (US)

TimT Standard Userer	SO did I! Awsome 2x A great gift for fans! Ahem. Now the letter says "help us keep these gifts away from auctioneers, profiteers, and other channels of sale." So....now many of you already put yours on eBay ?
posted 04-05-2004 05:00 PM PT (US)

Alexborn007 Standard Userer	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Jeron: So, I just got The Tower, complete with 2-disc The Core. Awesome!<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> This score rocks. It just...rocks. Get it!!! To elaborate though...this is Chris Young's best action score to date. The writing here is surprisingly complex and really exciting. As Jeron mentioned, a very overlooked score. While I'm glad it's now out as a complete promo...I think Varese missed out on some gold with skipping out of this one. Correct me if I'm wrong of course (Paramount seems possesive of their stuff if memory serves). NP- The Core [Message edited by Alexborn007 on 04-05-2004]
posted 04-05-2004 07:53 PM PT (US)

Lancelot Standard Userer	Ah geez....now I'm all nervous and hopeful that I'll get mine....I mean...I was going to get the Tower anyway, because it seemed like one Young score that I could actually appreciate (i.e., something that wasn't a horror movie), but the prospect of 2-for-1 Young score was too good....and now if I didn't get it....oh man, I'll be very upset...
posted 04-05-2004 08:11 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Lancelot: Ah geez....now I'm all nervous and hopeful that I'll get mine....I mean...I was going to get the Tower anyway, because it seemed like one Young score that I could actually appreciate (i.e., something that wasn't a horror movie), but the prospect of 2-for-1 Young score was too good....and now if I didn't get it....oh man, I'll be very upset... Steve, calm... calm... you'll get it.
posted 04-05-2004 08:28 PM PT (US)

justin boggan Standard Userer	Crap! I'm too low on money! How does Intrada and Varese manage to time it anyway? I wonder if I can buy now and pay later like couch commercials..... I want The Core!
posted 04-05-2004 08:40 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Bog, hommie, G... You're always low on money. Check eBay in a week, some looser will put up their Core set after they have ripped it and made copies. And it sure as HELL will NOT be me. And what do you think credit cards are...buy now...pay @ end of the month And Lance, According to Intrada's site, there are still copies. But less than 100. --Bri [Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 04-05-2004]
posted 04-05-2004 09:04 PM PT (US)

Kris Standard Userer	Did anybody in Europe receive The Tower + The Core yet?
posted 04-06-2004 04:01 AM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Standard Userer	After reading all of the hype I caved in and ordered a copy of The Tower yesterday. I just realized this will be my first Chris Young score.
posted 04-06-2004 06:50 AM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Mark, You should check out "The Shipping News" its great! --Bri
posted 04-06-2004 09:04 AM PT (US)

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