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    Topic:   Yared's Troy: the (more) complete story

     HAL 2000
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    http://www.musicfromthemovies.com/article.asp?ID=278

    Very disheartening.

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    posted 03-30-2004 02:09 PM PT (US)     

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    This sucketh.
    So since his source cues were in the movie, I suppose that if there is a soundtrack release, it will be all Prokofiev score, without any of the Yared source cues.

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    posted 03-30-2004 02:28 PM PT (US)     

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    Man, imagine if this becomes such a big deal that the score they use now completely sucks and CD sells are horrible. HAH! That'd be poetic justice.

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    posted 03-30-2004 02:49 PM PT (US)     

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    (the sound of franz beginning his metamorphosis into a cockroach on reading the link)

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    posted 03-30-2004 03:51 PM PT (US)     

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    From what he says here it sounds very interesting. Would like to hear it. Sounds like he was shafted and very rudely too.

    J.

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    posted 03-30-2004 04:30 PM PT (US)     

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    I'm kind of shocked that Warner is letting this run...and when people ask me what I think of test screenings and I tell them they suck, this is why.

    A group of people have no right to judge a film before it's done, let alone a film score. I'm shocked that Peterson and his team who seemed to love the music drop it because of a test screening.

    Anyway, I feel bad for Yared, I hope someday his score is released to we can all hear it.

    --Brian

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    posted 03-30-2004 05:11 PM PT (US)     

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    How horribly lousy. Dumping any composer based upon an incomplete work in a "focus group" is the biggest mistake ever, especially when Horner is the replacement.

    Also I've come to the conclusion that Wolfgang Peterson is an ---hole.

    [Message edited by jonathan_little on 03-30-2004]

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    posted 03-30-2004 05:27 PM PT (US)     

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    "overpowering and too big, old fashioned and dated the film.”

    I thought this movie is about ancient Greece. What do they want, jazz?

    Also, Gabriel Yared sounds like a class act despite the treatment. I hope his music sees some sort of release sooner or later. Sad.

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    posted 03-30-2004 06:24 PM PT (US)     

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    If I was a big-time composer I can learn two things from this.

    1. NEVER let studios use unfinished music in screenings
    2. Stay miles away from Petersen.

    Petersen is a person who obviously can't be trusted. If he wanted he could have stand tall. And he also should have figured to test Yared's music carefully with executives and others earlier. Not after a year. What an amateurism. It also costs them lots of money.

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    posted 03-31-2004 01:09 AM PT (US)     

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    I hope Varèse or another label will release the rejected score.

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    posted 03-31-2004 02:38 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Scorro:
    "overpowering and too big, old fashioned and dated the film.”

    I thought this movie is about ancient Greece. What do they want, jazz?
    [Message edited by Scorro on 03-30-2004]


    Sounds like even the producers didn't quite know how to treat this movie. Sounds like they don't know jack squat.

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    posted 03-31-2004 03:07 AM PT (US)     

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    What gets me is that all you geeks are going to see this glorious turd when it hits theaters in May!

    Ryan

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    posted 03-31-2004 05:53 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by rkeaveney:
    What gets me is that all you geeks are going to see this glorious turd when it hits theaters in May!

    Ryan


    Yeah...it's not like it was scored by Brian Tyler or Danny Elfman. Then it would be worth seeing ASAP.

    James

    (Oh yeah...I'm being sarcastic.)

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    posted 03-31-2004 06:00 AM PT (US)     

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    Actually I won't be seeing this film, no matter who scores it.


    The one thing that scares me about this whole mess is Yared's score is the comment it "sounded too old fashioned".

    Soon every movie will be scored with songs, synth driven dribble and drum machines.....

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    posted 03-31-2004 07:07 AM PT (US)     

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    Peterson may be an a-hole, the producers may all be disillusioned shmoes, and all of your rants may well be justified...but the sad fact is they make films and we post on message boards.

    You may all feel Horner is a plague upon moviemusic-kind and that this film will blow just because you want it to.

    Go right ahead.

    I for one will see the movie because I am interested in any historical epic. It may stink...but I will wait until I have seen it before condemning it. The score may blow also...it may (and probably will) be lifted, but Peterson nor most of the audience members will care. Again, sad but true.

    But what do I know...I'm just a whiny sap that posts on a movie music board.

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    posted 03-31-2004 08:05 AM PT (US)     

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    This article made me laugh,it seems that Yared was the first composer to work on a score for months and then being rejected,and besides no composer in the world would say after his score got dumped that the music he compose was crap...He has to say it was the best he ever made and all that crap...

    But the truth his we only have heard one side of the story,and in my opinion the truth is the score was indeed BAD.

    The score from James Horner may be bad,but it's impossible to do worse then Yared,i for one didn't like what i heard (only 10 min.),but i didn't like Cold Mountain and some people think it's great,so it's a matter of opinion,like the replacement of Yared from Troy,he thought his music was great,the producers thought it was crap,like many of us....

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    posted 03-31-2004 10:20 AM PT (US)     

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    I make no apologies about my desire to see this film. With the exception of Caligula, I'll see any movie Peter O'Toole decides to grace with his presence (even Phantoms).

    In any case, this is indeed a disheartening turn of events. I really like Yared's music and I have no doubt that this was something really special. In fact, the hiring of Yared always made me feel that the film was going in a really good direction, like they were going for something more along the lines of Lawrence of Arabia, something more character-driven instead of simply a big, messy action film.

    I'll give Horner his chance, sure. He could surprise me. But this event has brought the entire production down for me. And yes, there's always the possibility that Yared's score was actually that bad, but to my taste the chances of that being the case are much more remote than the chances of Horner's being any better.

    But I guess in the end it's the focus group's taste that really matters.

    Kirk

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    posted 03-31-2004 11:06 AM PT (US)     

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    Originally posted by workaluk:
    This article made me laugh,it seems that Yared was the first composer to work on a score for months and then being rejected,and besides no composer in the world would say after his score got dumped that the music he compose was crap...He has to say it was the best he ever made and all that crap...

    But the truth his we only have heard one side of the story,and in my opinion the truth is the score was indeed BAD.

    The score from James Horner may be bad,but it's impossible to do worse then Yared,i for one didn't like what i heard,but i didn't like Cold Mountain and some people think it's great,so it's a matter of opinion,like the replacement of Yared from Troy,he thought his music was great,the producers thought it was crap,like many of us....

    I didn't get that from his statments at all. Yared said that at every step of the way he submitted music that was enthusiastically embraced by Peterson AND the studio. You'ed think that if something was wrong they would have communicated that to Yared LONG before the music got to a test screening. By all accounts the producers DIDN'T think his score was "crap".

    But nothing makes these bean-counter execs cower more than a bad vibe from test audiences. That's what seems to have made the difference here.

    If there's anything we've learned when this kind of last-minute tinkering happens with a film's score it's that there are other things fundamentally wrong with the movie itself. I'm thinking this movie is already starting to emit some unpleasant odors and they're bringing in cans of Fabreeze to cover over the smells .

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    posted 03-31-2004 11:24 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by HAL 2000:
    I didn't get that from his statments at all. Yared said that at every step of the way he submitted music that was enthusiastically embraced by Peterson AND the studio. You'ed think that if something was wrong they would have communicated that to Yared LONG before the music got to a test screening. By all accounts the producers DIDN'T think his score was "crap".
    [Message edited by HAL 2000 on 03-31-2004][/B]


    That's what he said,but who knows if it's true or not,like i said before we only listened to one side of the story...

    Nuno Cunha

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    posted 03-31-2004 11:46 AM PT (US)     

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    Wasn't Jerry Goldsmith rather outspoken about his score for "Legend" being dumped for Tangerine Dream back in 1985?

    Granted, we didn't have the internet to spread information like we do now, but I remember pretty well that this situation was widely reported at the time.

    I personally think it's good that Yared decided to "clear the air" about what happened. Why should he be made to feel his work was poor when he put so much time into it and was given so much encouragement and praise?

    James

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    posted 03-31-2004 12:21 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by workaluk:
    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by HAL 2000:
    I didn't get that from his statments at all. Yared said that at every step of the way he submitted music that was enthusiastically embraced by Peterson AND the studio. You'ed think that if something was wrong they would have communicated that to Yared LONG before the music got to a test screening. By all accounts the producers DIDN'T think his score was "crap".
    [Message edited by HAL 2000 on 03-31-2004]
    <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>


    That's what he said,but who knows if it's true or not,like i said before we only listened to one side of the story...

    Nuno Cunha[/B]


    First things first, I have not heard Yared's work. Furthermore, I wish James Horner all the best on this project.

    That out of the way, it's difficult for me to believe that Petersen, the studio, etc., just flat-out didn't like Yared's music. Why would they invest so much time and money into its completion, recording, etc., if they were unimpressed? It doesn't make much sense to me....

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    posted 03-31-2004 12:57 PM PT (US)     

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    I think it's worth putting Yared's complaint into perspective. He wasn't outspoken about his rejected scores for Les Miserables and Wings of the Dove, so can we say that he doesn't complain every time he's rejected, which might be an indication that what was rejected here was something very good?

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    posted 03-31-2004 01:36 PM PT (US)     

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    I will not be seeing this film either. The main reason, I saw Brad Pitiful in the promo and started laughing. If he is the lead, I will pass.

    J.

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    posted 03-31-2004 06:28 PM PT (US)     

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>First things first, I have not heard Yared's work.[/QUOTE]

    Interesting that you say this, considering no one on this msg board has heard the score, yet morons like workaluk apparently have an opinion -- but based on what?

    In my opinion, the following scores are BAD. Even though I haven't heard 'em yet:

    STAR WARS: EPISODE III: WHO GIVES A **** (Williams)
    HARRY POTTER 12: HARRY'S BALLS FALL (Ross/Williams)
    SCOOBY DOO: THE MYSTERIOUS TURD (D. Newman)
    ID4 2: PANCAKE TUESDAY (Kloser)

    Ryan


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    posted 03-31-2004 06:40 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by rkeaveney:
    [b] ID4 2: PANCAKE TUESDAY (Kloser)

    ROFL!

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    posted 03-31-2004 06:50 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by rkeaveney:
    STAR WARS: EPISODE III: WHO GIVES A **** (Williams)
    HARRY POTTER 12: HARRY'S BALLS FALL (Ross/Williams)
    SCOOBY DOO: THE MYSTERIOUS TURD (D. Newman)
    ID4 2: PANCAKE TUESDAY (Kloser)

    You should direct at least one of those, Ryan! :P


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    posted 03-31-2004 07:33 PM PT (US)     

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    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by rkeaveney:
    interesting that you say this, considering no one on this msg board has heard the score, yet morons like workaluk apparently have an opinion -- but based on what?

    In my opinion, the following scores are BAD. Even though I haven't heard 'em yet:

    STAR WARS: EPISODE III: WHO GIVES A **** (Williams)
    HARRY POTTER 12: HARRY'S BALLS FALL (Ross/Williams)
    SCOOBY DOO: THE MYSTERIOUS TURD (D. Newman)
    ID4 2: PANCAKE TUESDAY (Kloser)

    Ryan

    [/B]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Well Mr.Ryan since when did i gave you the confidence to call me moron or anything else,i thought this posts were for intelligent and serious persons,and if i am a moron then you must be simply stupid because i have already listen to about 10 minutes of score to make my opinion,but i guess stupid people like you don't have time to read the entire post,since you're to busy learning how read and write,so i don't think you deserve much of my time...


    Nuno Cunha

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    posted 04-01-2004 06:46 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by workaluk:
    Well Mr.Ryan since when did i gave you the confidence to call me moron or anything else,i thought this posts were for intelligent and serious persons,and if i am a moron then you must be simply stupid because i have already listen to about 10 minutes of score to make my opinion,but i guess stupid people like you don't have time to read the entire post,since you're to busy learning how read and write,so i don't think you deserve much of my time...


    Nuno Cunha

    [Message edited by workaluk on 04-01-2004]


    Well, I for one am not calling you stupid or any other name. But don't you think that hearing 10 minutes of a possibly hour and a halk score removed from the images it relates to and and then condemning the entire work is a bit of a stretch? (?????)

    That's like having one item off of a restaurant's menu which doesn't particularly impress you and concluding that everything they serve is mediocre.



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    posted 04-01-2004 10:43 AM PT (US)     

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    Yes Hal 2000,what you say is very true,however i have a friend who was in the scoring sessions,and he has the same opinion as i do,the score wasn't anything special...


    Nuno Cunha

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    posted 04-01-2004 10:53 AM PT (US)     

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    http://www.moviecitynews.com/arrays/2004/poster_troy.html

    The poster already credits Mr. Horner.

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    posted 04-01-2004 11:17 AM PT (US)     
     

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