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Topic: Yared off Troy
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dante
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The facts are that Gabriel Yared is off Troy and IS being replaced by James Horner.
[Note: This message has been edited by PeterK]
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posted 03-22-2004 12:02 PM PT (US) ip
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Dinko
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Originally posted by dante:
just to say he was sorry but my score sounded "old fashioned and
overpowering the film " ...
And they replaced Yared with... HORNER?!
Oh sure. Horner's never done an old fashioned and overpowering score. Sheesh. I don't know who the producers or directors are and I don't care. With this type of silliness behind the camera, this movie will stink beyond description. It's like replacing a Kia with a Ferrari because the Kia had an engine that was too powerful. 
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posted 03-22-2004 12:11 PM PT (US) ip
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justin boggan
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That blows. And he doesn't even have a copy of his own work. That blows even more. IF a boot shows up, I will mail him a copy. ;-)
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posted 03-22-2004 12:11 PM PT (US) ip
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johnmullin
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Wow, well I guess Yared and Randy Newman will have something in common to bitch about if they ever get together for coffee. Petersen's a widowmaker when it comes to film scores. I really like Yared's romantic work, and I was looking forward to hearing this one.
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posted 03-22-2004 12:19 PM PT (US) ip
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scoreguy16
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DUDE! Not cool, I was really looking forward to hearing Yared's score and this made me kinda loose a lot of respect for Horner...Clayton
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posted 03-22-2004 12:24 PM PT (US) ip
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franz_conrad
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There are about 50000 ways in which this just sucks. May Petersen continue on his fast road to infamy. [Message edited by franz_conrad on 03-22-2004]
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posted 03-22-2004 01:43 PM PT (US) ip
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rkeaveney
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Did anyone really think this was going to be a good film? Let's look back at Petersen's last two pictures: the laughable THE PERFECT STORM and the hysterical AIRFORCE ONE. I don't expect TROY to be anything but a mammoth, sundried camel turd.Ryan
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posted 03-22-2004 02:29 PM PT (US) ip
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franz_conrad
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Originally posted by rkeaveney:
Did anyone really think this was going to be a good film? Let's look back at Petersen's last two pictures: the laughable THE PERFECT STORM and the hysterical AIRFORCE ONE. I don't expect TROY to be anything but a mammoth, sundried camel turd.Ryan
True Ryan, I never expected a modern take on the Illiad to have anything like to teeth to chew on subject matter like this, but I did hope I would get a good Gabriel Yared score out of this... a hope that has been thoroughly frustated now. BTW, what CD's have you been buying lately? You always seem to find interesting titles ... 
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posted 03-22-2004 02:35 PM PT (US) ip
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Crono/Kyp
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Ryan your being a punk again. Get off your high horse.--Brian
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posted 03-22-2004 02:59 PM PT (US) ip
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rkeaveney
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Brian -- what's with the horse reference? Oh, I get it... TROY!Ryan
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posted 03-22-2004 03:53 PM PT (US) ip
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MarkA
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Why was the first post under this topic edited? What did it used to say?[Message edited by MarkA on 03-22-2004]
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posted 03-22-2004 06:00 PM PT (US) ip
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franz_conrad
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MY guess is that it contained a brief statement that conveyed the following facts:* Yared is off Troy.
* He composed a score for Troy that was considered 'old-fashioned' and 'overpowering'.
* He doesn't even have the consolation of a copy of his work on the project. Am I right?
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posted 03-22-2004 07:52 PM PT (US) ip
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sean
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Ryan's right. Why does anyone care about this film, it looks silly; unless, of course, you're of the Gladiator-kind and enjoy sweaty men fighting in cages. Yared's off? Big stinking deal! Horner's on? Big stinking deal! It's like caring who's going to write the score for the next Michael Bay film: It makes no difference whatsoever.
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posted 03-22-2004 08:26 PM PT (US) ip
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PeterK
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Dante asked me to edit the original post and topic wording. Easy enough!
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posted 03-22-2004 08:32 PM PT (US) ip
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HadrianD
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Originally posted by sean:
Ryan's right. Why does anyone care about this film, it looks silly; unless, of course, you're of the Gladiator-kind and enjoy sweaty men fighting in cages. Yared's off? Big stinking deal! Horner's on? Big stinking deal! It's like caring who's going to write the score for the next Michael Bay film: It makes no difference whatsoever.
There aren't any sweaty men fighting in cages. I was kinda glad Yared got this gig. He's been writing low key scores for big epic movies and Troy was his chance to write big epic music for a big epic movie. Horner just sucks. Just another disappointment.
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posted 03-22-2004 09:15 PM PT (US) ip
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thw
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All of you are mad! You've neither seen the movie nor heard the score but you're already condemning everything. Sheeesh... The movie may be really bad, but perhaps you should wait till it's released before you complain.
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posted 03-22-2004 10:38 PM PT (US) ip
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workaluk
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If all heard the score that Yared composed,you would see why Petersen replaced him,and for me,even sleeping,Horner compose better music then Yared when his awakeNP-Wyatt Earp Nuno Cunha
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posted 03-23-2004 01:22 AM PT (US) ip
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Kris
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I just wonder why Petersen even approached Yared in the first place. Maybe he wanted him to underscore the movie. When he got to see the end result, he found out it was a bad idea. He'll go for a big score now.Just imagine what Ben-Hur would be like if the music were written as an underscore.
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posted 03-23-2004 08:06 AM PT (US) ip
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Quill
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I will be completely honest on two points:1) Horner had been my favorite composer, but outside of The Missing most of his more recent work had left me pretty cold. 2) Yared has never impressed me and I honestly felt he was completely wrong for this project from the beginning. That being said, I was willing to give him the chance. I will look glass half full and say, maybe the film will inspire a fresh, exciting score from Horner, something to harken back to the Braveheart, Glory, Legends of the Fall days. We shall see. To bad for those of you simply dismiss a film as trash based on a preview and a comparison to the director's most recent works. Sad. If I handicapped myself that way, I might never see a Spielberg film again after the likes Amistad, The Lost World, and A.I. Give Peterson a chance...he has made some great films in the past. (I agree with the assessment of A Perfect Storm, but Air Force One is one of the more engrossing action thrillers from the 90s)
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posted 03-23-2004 08:27 AM PT (US) ip
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Bond1965
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This was posted by Ford at the FSM message board and if this "Rumor" is true it's really a sad thing to do to a composer...ANY composer.James
I heard a "Rumor" (unconfirmed) that one of the reasons Yared was hired was due to the fact that they needed a European composer for tax and funding reasons.
I've also heard that this change has been in the works for quite some time,I think the reaction from the preview audiences and the review that was posted on aint-it-cool-newes.com didn't help matters much and gave TPTB an excuse to change composers and not take a hit on the Tax issue. This is of course just guesswork on my part,I could of course be wrong. Ford A. Thaxton
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posted 03-23-2004 09:08 AM PT (US) ip
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franz_conrad
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Originally posted by Bond1965:
This was posted by Ford at the FSM message board and if this "Rumor" is true it's really a sad thing to do to a composer...ANY composer.
If that's true, then it sucks in about 50 million ways.
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posted 03-23-2004 01:21 PM PT (US) ip
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sean
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Quill:
Air Force One is one of the more engrossing action thrillers from the 90s)<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>I hope that was a joke. Air Force One is one of the most stupid American action films to date; Harrison Ford and Gary Oldman are hilarious—in an awful way—while the movie is just the same broken-record, American jingoistic fantasies of the underdog in an impossible situation. Pure rubbish! The only thing that one can take away from this picture are some stellar moment from the Jerry Goldsmith/Joel McNeely score. I can see why Randy Newman injected some humour, what Hans Zimmer called the "twinkle in his eye," into the score—he must have thought it was somewhat deplorable, like any decent person would. This film and its maker denotes "two dimensional thinking." [Message edited by sean on 03-23-2004]
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posted 03-23-2004 04:44 PM PT (US) ip
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Bond1965
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Just an observation...you realize there will be no big fanboy cry for a release of Yared's score like there was for Jerry Goldsmith's for "Timeline." James
(who is NOT counting on Varese to do a "music inspired by" CD w/ Yared's score)
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posted 03-23-2004 09:23 PM PT (US) ip
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franz_conrad
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Originally posted by Bond1965:
Just an observation...you realize there will be no big fanboy cry for a release of Yared's score like there was for Jerry Goldsmith's for "Timeline."
That's because fanboys are clueless wannabe producers who've never studied music.
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posted 03-23-2004 10:48 PM PT (US) ip
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HadrianD
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Originally posted by franz_conrad:
That's because fanboys are clueless wannabe producers who've never studied music.
OOOh, don't go the generalization route. That's dangerous territory there. I guess I'm clueless despite the fact I studied music. And who wants to produce music? I wanna make it!  But then if you were just referring to the strict JW & JW fan, that that's quite all right. All fun and games, right?
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posted 03-24-2004 05:26 AM PT (US) ip
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HadrianD
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Oops, I meant JW & JG.....
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posted 03-24-2004 05:28 AM PT (US) ip
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HadrianD
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quote:
Originally posted by sean:
I hope that was a joke. Air Force One is one of the most stupid American action films to date; Harrison Ford and Gary Oldman are hilarious—in an awful way—while the movie is just the same broken-record, American jingoistic fantasies of the underdog in an impossible situation. Pure rubbish! The only thing that one can take away from this picture are some stellar moment from the Jerry Goldsmith/Joel McNeely score. I can see why Randy Newman injected some humour, what Hans Zimmer called the "twinkle in his eye," into the score—he must have thought it was somewhat deplorable, like any decent person would. This film and its maker denotes "two dimensional thinking."[Message edited by sean on 03-23-2004]
Don't diss the theme of the underdog. It's what made the American dream such an attractive idealistic goal. AFO was an extremely patriotic film relying on mostly archetypal construction to build its theme and characters. The theme of the underdog against all odds...that's the common ties between alot of action movies. Jerry Goldmsith score was as typical as you could get anyway, with exception of some fine cues, just like the movie. IT's a typical fantasy action flick. Expected more? Tsk tsk. YOU Canadians shouldn't read too much into it
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posted 03-24-2004 05:39 AM PT (US) ip
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Dinko
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quote:
Originally posted by franz_conrad:
That's because fanboys are clueless wannabe producers who've never studied music.
Ouch. That's evil.
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posted 03-24-2004 05:59 AM PT (US) ip
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Quill
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My apologies Sean...I didn't realize you base your film critiques around political preconceptions.I will try to keep that in mind the next time I comment on a film based on its merit as a piece of entertainment.
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posted 03-24-2004 07:11 AM PT (US) ip
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sean
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Hadrian: My experience is not to expect anything from Wolgang Petersen movies. "American Dream"? Get real. Plus, I don't seriously believe that Air Force One has anything to do with "underdogs", but actually is just about reestablishing conservative values; and the word for ultra patriotic is jingoistic. The score is so-so, and sounds too much like Star Trek First Contact... that said, the "Hijacking" cue and some of the Russian parts are outstanding.
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posted 03-24-2004 07:57 AM PT (US) ip
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scoreguy16
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Hey! I want Yared's score released, anyone else?Clayton
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posted 03-24-2004 10:31 AM PT (US) ip
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Marian Schedenig
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AFO...I really couldn't decide whether I disliked Gary Oldman's character more or Harrison Ford's in that movie.Still, I think has a lot of potential. And I've never heard anything by Yared I believe, but a new Horner score really doesn't get me excited. NP: Sense and Sensibility (Patrick Doyle)
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posted 03-24-2004 11:27 AM PT (US) ip
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CindyLover1969
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I was never looking forward much to Troy (sad but true) - movies like that are just too butch for me - and I can't get too worked up about either Yared or Horner's possible contributions - but the choice of Yared is certainly more unusual than that of Horner.As for Air Force One, I think a lot of people outside the US took that movie waaaay too seriously; if the hero had been someone like a steward or something instead of the US President I think they'd have seen it for what it is (a pulp movie writ large, and an entertaining one at that). And Goldsmith's music was a plus, although Joel McNeely's additions aren't as effective as John Debney's on Looney Tunes: Back in Action.
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posted 03-24-2004 11:36 AM PT (US) ip
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franz_conrad
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Originally posted by HadrianD:
All fun and games, right?
Absolutely, it was a joke for a particular person! No generalisations intended.
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posted 03-24-2004 12:30 PM PT (US) ip
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James
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Alright, so everyone's saying "Wolfgang Petersen, this movie's going to be terrible, Wolfgang Petersen." I'll grant that having his name on the film is not the best omen in the world.But everyone seems to be ignoring the other important name in the creation of this film - David Benioff. After seeing 25th Hour and reading the novel it was based on (which he also wrote), I know this guy is one hell of a writer. If what he's done so far is any indication, Troy will not just be some big, overblown blockbuster a la Air Force One. With Benioff holding the pen, this thing should have depth, provided Petersen and his editor don't mistake character development for fat and leave it all in the Avid's dust bin. That's what I'm hoping, anyway. As for the news about the score, I'm very disappointed. I was really looking forward to seeing all of Yared's detractors choke on their words when the score came out. But at this point I feel the same way about Horner as those people did about Yared, so I do hope I get to choke on mine. Kirk
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posted 03-26-2004 12:20 AM PT (US) ip
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mlw
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Maybe they just wanted something less boring.I meant conventional and blockbuster-like. yeah.
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posted 03-27-2004 12:33 AM PT (US) ip
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Swashbuckler
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I was looking forward to this film because I enjoy a good spectacle, and truth be told, the story has lasted thousands of years, so it would be difficult for Wolfgang Peterson to f__k it up.I was really looking forward to Gabriel Yared's score. For one thing, I felt that it would be nice to hear a voice on this type of film that we don't usually hear, and I have no doubt that his score was magnificent. His career is long and varied, and full of gems. Troy was a great project for a composer to compose an old-fashioned score. Of course, that's exactly why Peterson has rejected Yared's score, which is pretty silly. After all, what's more old-fashioned than the battle of Troy? Something tells me that Yared's score is something that, had we gotten the chance to hear it, would have gained him a lot of fans. James Horner hasn't interested me since 1985. Okay, Sneakers wasn't so bad, but then he took that theme and put it in everything else, too. Horners score will consist of a few motives from Sergei Prokofiev's Alexander Nevsky, assorted quotes of Dmitri Shostakovich and Igor Stravinsky, with a snippet of the adagio from Aram Khachaturian's Gayaneh Ballet. This will be supplemented by the same thematic material that he has been recycling since 1980. Boring. Yared's score was going to be something different and engaging. The very fact that it was considered "overpowering" speaks well of it; this was the battle of freakin' Troy, here, not the attack of the killer tomatoes! This news is almost, but not quite, as bad as last year's little tidbit that Alan Silvestri's no doubt glorious score for Pirates of the Carribean was being replaced by Klaus Badelt's by-the-numbers Media Ventures aural vomit.
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posted 03-30-2004 01:25 PM PT (US) ip
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Marian Schedenig
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Originally posted by Swashbuckler:
Okay, Sneakers wasn't so bad
If you ask me, it's his best. Even though there's Glassworks and Beethoven's 9th in it (and I believe something else I can't remember right now). But recent Horner doesn't seem interesting to me either.
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posted 03-30-2004 01:36 PM PT (US) ip
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