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 justin boggan
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Finally getting Predator released. Limited to 3,000 copies and it sold out like that!
I remember it was down to 400 copies and I FINALLY had the money and like less than 2 weeks later ... BOOM! It's gone!

That's not what pisses me off; though having a limit of 3,000 does almost get my goat.

What gets me is copy after original pressed copy is sold on eBay . They just keep coming. I am pissed off cause I know companies and people bought up at least a thousand of these and hold them to sell than while people like me who wanted it, really wanted it are screwed and will probably have to go for a cd-r now cause the price is justwaaayyy too high.

I can almost bet you the same thing is said about the recent Goldsmith set from Varese.

[Message edited by justin boggan on 02-25-2004]

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posted 02-25-2004 09:18 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Justin, what are you going to do about it?

Should Varese cap the number of copies any one person can buy (companies included)?

To be fair to the FB, yes they should. To be fair to themselves, no. Varese wants their return in this lifetime, not the next one. There is a fine line between serving the FB and running a business.

Is there any discussion left?

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posted 02-25-2004 10:09 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Peter, to be fair - they sold out. Yes, certain scores, like ones that are pined for, shoudl be caped. Say, 2 per person. If they had, Predator still would have sold out.

It's not right that people should buy heaps and hock them for loads later on eBay while people like, say me, who really wanted it for myself, are deprived.

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posted 02-25-2004 10:48 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Send Varese a letter.

--Brian

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posted 02-25-2004 11:10 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Boo-frigg'n-hoo. Varese released PREDATOR in August of 2003. I know because I bought two copies, one for myself and another for a friend as a Christmas gift. (That is what is called "thinking ahead." Try it sometime.) It is now February of 2004... You had five or six months to come up with just twenty bucks and you failed. Now you're blaming the free market for your failure. Quit your bitch'n. Life ain't fair.

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posted 02-25-2004 11:34 AM PT (US)    ip  

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The ultimate question is why should Varese care? As soon as they put a cap on something, they're restricting their sales. Not too many of their club releases have sold out - by not allowing people to buy more than one copy (say), they'd have reduced the amount of money they made from them - and so made future releases less likely.

It's a nasty world out there with those businessmen who are actually trying to make money for their business. Evil concept.

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posted 02-25-2004 11:36 AM PT (US)    ip  

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I don't know about you Kyle S., but sometimes people can't get a job and starve. 20.00 is more thana you might think when you're in a tough spot.
It's a free market, but the product is supposed tpo be for consumers. When companies and people in "business" so to say buy then up, they deprive us

Southall, the cap would be for select ones. IT is just a given thta Predator would sell out. Just like if they ever got around to Back To The Future, that is going to sell like fu(k!ng hotcakes.

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posted 02-25-2004 12:16 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Of course, the best thing to do, from Varese's perspective, is to *raise the prices* even higher on their limited releases. Varese could predict that certain releases are sure to create a brisk after-market, and could charge a few dollars extra on those releases to capture some of that excess demand.

The fact that Varese's prices on their single-disc limited releases (setting aside the Goldsmith box) are as low as they are indicates that Varese *does* have "our" interests in mind. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that by its very existence Varese is doing us collectors a favor.

Limiting purchases on certain releases might seem like the high-minded thing to do, but it would also result in slower sales and delayed revenues, which conceivably could affect Varese's ability to plan future releases. That's just another economic afterthought.

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posted 02-25-2004 01:49 PM PT (US)    ip  

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I don't think Varese has any obligations to consumers other than delivering quality products for reasonable prices.

I think if you missed out on PREDATOR you've got no one to complain to but yourself. Like an ass I waited on THE ROBE, and it sold out. The only person I'm kicking is myself. And that's how it oughta be!

Ryan

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posted 02-25-2004 02:31 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Justin, PeterK, and Kyle all make good points. I'm with Justin on the many people who buy more than one copy knowing they are planning to make a huge profit once they stop selling them commercially. Also, like Peter said, I can't see Varese putting a cap on how many CD's one person can buy if they're willing to fork out the dough to buy it. Lastly, these CD's were available for a good amount of time and they did give plenty of notice before this release was scheduled so it's kind of a, "You snooze you lose" type attitude like Kyle stated. What's my point? I have none, I just like pointing out everyone elses good points

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posted 02-25-2004 02:33 PM PT (US)    ip  

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I can sympathise with the comments but ultimately, if you want it but can't afford it, well that's a consequence of living in a free market economy.

Of course, Varese could easily have charged $30 or even $40 for it and still sold out, but they didn't. Someone could remind me how much Intrada charged for the Young Sherlock Holmes promo which, if memory serves, was actually a promotional tool for Bruce Broughton and even said "not for sale" on it. Varese's albums, which are actual, licenced, commercial releases, are far cheaper.

Varese is that rare thing in that it really does care about what the fans want and is willing to take huge risks in order to provide it. Was it ever, in a million years, going to make any money from a re-recording of Viva Zapata? I seriously doubt it - so why bother doing it? Because it's important music which NEEDS to be out there. They use the unexpected success of albums like The Sixth Sense or The Matrix to subsidise the gambles, many of which are never really likely to even cover costs, let alone turn a profit.

These club releases are a godsend. Chances are that things like Predator and Die Hard would simply never have been released otherwise (except possibly in some other soundtrack club like Prometheus's).

They do us a real service. Just look at the number of crimson spines on your CD shelf and consider how many of those scores would have been released if it weren't for Varese. Very few labels would take the risk of releasing something like SWAT or The Hunted (to name a couple of recent, good scores) or all those Delerue and Goldsmith albums - or, for that matter, The Matrix or the other score albums Varese has put out even though song compilations were already available. Varese does such a great service to this community of ours, it's always galling to see the apparently constant barrage of criticism they come in for, whether it's for album lengths, over-hyping releases, people not liking the acoustics of their re-recordings, now even releasing CDs that prove to be popular! Whatever. This message is just my little attempt to redress some of the balance.

The real target of the frustration should be those people who buy multiple copies of these things just to hoard them until they're worth a lot more money. But there's nothing anyone can do about that.

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posted 02-25-2004 04:02 PM PT (US)    ip  

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Limited legal bootlegs (be they extra crispy ultimate deluxe special expanded 6 CD editions or one disc versions) are why God gave fanboys the MiniDisc® and the CDR.

Would it be legal if I bought myself a Goldsmith set, waited for it to go OOP, then started selling minidiscs where people would get to pick and choose what they want on there? You just want Anna & The King? No problem, here's your MD, just PayPal me $2.50. Legal? Ethical? Should I care?

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posted 02-25-2004 07:16 PM PT (US)    ip  

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quote:
Originally posted by Dinko:
Would it be legal if I bought myself a Goldsmith set, waited for it to go OOP, then started selling minidiscs where people would get to pick and choose what they want on there? You just want Anna & The King? No problem, here's your MD, just PayPal me $2.50. Legal? Ethical? Should I care?

Do family members get free copies?

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posted 02-26-2004 02:01 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Varèse is a unique and fantastic label that film music lovers should cherish. Period. But I can say that with Predator they made the mistake of highly underestimating the potential demand. It sold out within notime. The bootlegs also sold out insanely quick, so that should have given them an idea. I think they better should have gone for 5000 copies. But I think they have an agreement with Fox that 3000 copies is the maximum?

I understand they have a special deal with certain music departments of studios that they can buy the rights cheaper when they limit the print to 3000 copies max and mention the orchestra players in the booklet? Does anyone the exact details of that special deal?

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posted 02-26-2004 02:21 AM PT (US)    ip  

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And I have a god-given right to buy a brand-new 1965 Mustang because I wasn't old enough or rich enough to afford one when they were made! Give me a break! Not everybody is entitled to everything they want in the world. Man, when you think of all the people starving, living under bridges, and out of work, and you're whining about not having every limited-edition CD you want, I just want to throw up.

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posted 02-26-2004 02:36 AM PT (US)    ip  

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Twin, family members get a 15% discount. Twins get free copies.

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posted 02-26-2004 04:52 AM PT (US)    ip  

 
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