1. habit of calling anyone who doesn't like the movies a troll
2. habit of talking about Peter Jackson like they know him and he's their friend (not true because ringnuts have no friends)
3. habit of telling people they will put them on their ignore list, yet they keep coming back to those people's threads
4. hypocritically saying everyone should be allowed an opinion, but then they <read number 1>
5. habit of hiding their obvious anger when someone defeats them in an argument by saying they just like to "bash trolls"
6. habit of deluding themselves by saying they're productive members of society, when they're obviously not
7. habit of complaining about LOTR bashers, yet most of them admit to going to boards for other movies and starting fights
8. are so defensive of LOTR that they vote it 10/10 for the sole reason of getting it to the top of a list that matters to no one but them
9. change their arguments over and over with the edit tool in order to always try and win
10. habit of responding angrily with rude comments to threads that try and tell the truth like this one

Clayton

IF I were a ringnut though... I would probably respond to this list in the following way:

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There are several behaviors typical of ringnuts, they are:

1. habit of calling anyone who doesn't like the movies a troll
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I guess that means I have to call you a troll now... you forced my hand.

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2. habit of talking about Peter Jackson like they know him and he's their friend
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I do know him and he is my friend, so deal with your jealousy issues troll.

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3. habit of telling people they will put them on their ignore list, yet they keep coming back to those people's threads
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The only ignore list I keep is one where I record threads and trollish threaders who diss on my friend Peter.

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4. hypocritically saying everyone should be allowed an opinion, but then they <read number 1>
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What are you talking about? Being a troll doesn't take away your right to an opinion! It just gives me the right to discount it by whatever namecalling is necessary!

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5. habit of hiding their obvious anger when someone defeats them in an argument by saying they just like to "bash trolls"
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No troll has ever defeated me in an argument, so I wouldn't know about that. (grrrrrrr....)

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6. habit of deluding themselves by saying they're productive members of society, when they're obviously not
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Heh-heh. Some troll's obviously done a lot of research into the ways of ringnuts in order to start this thread. Those trolls sure know how to dig around.

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7. habit of complaining about LOTR bashers, yet most of them admit to going to boards for other movies and starting fights
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And I can't think of a single troll that has posted a message in order to start a fight. Oh wait, here's one: http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/012419.html
I wonder what manner of troll would have posted it...?

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8. are so defensive of LOTR that they vote it 10/10 for the sole reason of getting it to the top of a list that matters to no one but them
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BUD LAWD OV DA RINS ISH GOD!!! AN HOWUD SHAW IS TWO!!!

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9. change their arguments over and over with the edit tool in order to always try and win
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What about trolls that edit other people's --
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10. habit of responding angrily with rude comments to threads that try and tell the truth like this one
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Trust a troll to act so carelessly and not understand the warmth of his reception. I'll have to tell my friend Peter about this. One thing's for sure: I'm never coming back to this thread again.

But I would only say that if I were a ring-nut, and I don't believe I am one of those. May Master and Commander win the Oscars!

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Originally posted by sean:
that "fellowship" theme (that big heroic theme heard many times in the first one) sound incredibly simple, and in fact, typical of that genre (like you or I coulda wrote it or hummed it)? I doubt I'll get bashed for that, but does anyone else agree?

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Originally posted by rkeaveney:
This is so small town newspaper level humor. Dull!

Ryan

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--Brian

Surely we all come together to appreciate film music. Isn't that even an interest any more?

Does it make you guys feel really, really SPECIAL denigrating something that others find truly beautiful and magical just because you don't?

This, unfortunately, is why so many folks who could offer interesting insights -- and keep things lively -- avoid this forum/messageboard.

And it's not because you guys are bad people or dullwitted -- it's just the inane thoughtlessness of threads like this one.

Consider this, though: There are hundreds of millions of people who were genuinely moved and touched by the films and the music you disrespect here.

Oh yeah. Your superior intellect and sharp wit make it so easy to toy with us, oh Great Puppetmaster. We all bend to your will!

Pull the strings! Pull the strings!

Ron, the movie is fiction, and it's just a movie. So it's really sad if a fake movie like this one can touch people so much.

Ryan, no need to get upset and start insulting people. See the, "All in good fun"?

I think everyone* needs to just relax, it's just a movie, nothing more, nothing less, like this is just a thread.

Clayton

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Originally posted by scoreguy16:
Ron, the movie is fiction, and it's just a movie. So it's really sad if a fake movie like this one can touch people so much.

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What's sad is the fact that Return of the King has a higher rating than movies that deal with real life on imdb. I find true stories to be way more moving than made up ones.

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Originally posted by scoreguy16:
What's sad is the fact that Return of the King has a higher rating than movies that deal with real life on imdb. I find true stories to be way more moving than made up ones.

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What's sad is the fact that Return of the King has a higher rating than movies that deal with real life on imdb. I find true stories to be way more moving than made up ones.

Clayton

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I think everyone* needs to just relax, it's just a movie, nothing more, nothing less, like this is just a thread.

Clayton

*By everyone I mean the ones that feel like they were attacked because they're obsessed with LOTR.

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Everyone? What if the author of this thread had heard such wise words, or is he not at fault because by your estimation anyone who responds in what you feel are "attacks" must be "obsessed". This is just a thread, though, right?

Ryan - By you taking this to another level you only proved the point to this pointless thread. Even I wasn't trying to start nonsense, but your sarcastic attitude is what is hilarious. I wasn't pointing fingers or say, "Hey you guys, this is you!" Even Crono knew it was all in fun. I love the LOTR movies, but we all know they are overhyped.

<<sigh>> You know what? I wouldn't mind if this thread was locked. Peter, do your thing...

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Originally posted by scoreguy16:
....the movie is fiction, and it's just a movie. So it's really sad if a fake movie like this one can touch people so much.

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Yes, it's fiction, just like Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Glass Menagerie, Grapes of Wrath and all the other "fake movies" that have touched people over the decades. Isn't there any "fake movie" that ever touched you?

I guess that this was inevitable. Hollywood has damned few real movies in the past 20 years or so. The ones that do get made seem to suffer from blockbusteritis or cinemaobscuris. No wonder that people have little idea what to do with a real movie when it finally showed up.

To me, this is just a mean spirited thread cloaked in a "Gee, can't you take joke" guise.

It's really an ad hominem attack on anyone who disagrees with people about how "awful" the film and score are and offer arguments to bolster their views. It is the kind of childish thing that I expect from people who don’t understand logic or don’t need to shave more than about twice a week.

A couple of observations. Take them for what you will.

Myth and Realism They address life in different ways. There's room for both but I suspect most people highly prefer one over the other. As long as people are relating to life in some way, I say 'good show'. However, it is not only pointless but mistaken to think that someone who prefers the style that is different than one's own is wrong.

Humor aimed at -insert some group of people here- (In this case at Tolkien geeks, or LOTR geeks or LOTR movie geeks.. whatever) I've read lots of humor that I would say is aimed at a group I belong to. A lot of it really makes me laugh. At myself. It keeps me humble and sane to be able to laugh at myself. But that humor has always seemed affectionate. The list quoted above didn't seem affectionate, just a bit mean spirited. I wasn't offended or shocked. Just puzzled at the spirit and bored by it's lack of true wit.

Provocative behavior After trying to mediate the constant bickering of my two young sons one day, I looked at them and said, "You enjoy arguing, don't you?" They looked at each other, they looked at me and with a 'duh' expression said in unison, "YEAH!" I get it. Some people just like to bicker and if they don't get their dose for the day they will provoke. Trust me. You'll find more pleasant ways to interact with people and I am not being sarcastic. You will.

Forum atmosphereI stumbled across this forum and was impressed by the information I could get here and the intelligence of the members. I watched a little but intense flame incident handled quickly, responsibly and with care and that impressed me. But I am a LOTR fan and I get the feeling I'm not too welcome here, at least by a vocal and significant section. The trouble is, I don't know who to watch out for and frankly, I've got better things to do than tiptoe around hoping to stay out of people's way. So, this stuff is affecting what people think about the forum. It is no loss at all if I move on. This is not a threat or anything. Just a prod for members to think about what they would like to see for the discussions here and whether their actions help or hinder them from accomplishing that.

Regards,
Marilynn

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Originally posted by Justin:

3. habit of telling people they will put them on their ignore list, yet they keep coming back to those people's threads

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Originally posted by Justin:

This will be the last I look at this thread

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I guess we'll tell the ringers from the trolls now, eh?

And Clayton replied:

What's sad is the fact that Return of the King has a higher rating than movies that deal with real life on imdb. I find true stories to be way more moving than made up ones.

Gosh, what's sad is your point of view. I have enough "real life" of my own. I go to movies, read books and listen to music as a form of entertainment.

It's also sad that you hold a grudge against a brilliant film made from a work of fiction because people like it better than some (probably) pretentious so-called true life story. There are NO movies that are true to life...they've all been fictionalized to some degree. And usually are told from only one side, which is more often fiction than fact when it comes to the real, unbiased facts.

Clayton

I guess the fact the I cycled through this thread and that I happen to feel LOTR and their scores are fine example of what cinema going should be means I am a lunatic of some sort.

The real world Clayton...I get enough of that at home.

Ringnuts Justin...I dislike anyone who is obnoxious in their opinions and feels the need to stand on a pulpit...that goes for the detractors as well.

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Maybe I should start a Why I Love of LOTR thread and detail why you are crazed idiot for not fallling in line...

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Aren't there enough threads about that?

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Originally posted by scoreguy16:
Few things, how can anyone compare Shakespear to LOTR? What's blockbusteritis? And the last thing, who ever said they didn't like the film?

Clayton

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I was actually replaying to your statement: “Ron, the movie is fiction, and it's just a movie. So it's really sad if a fake movie like this one can touch people so much.”

LOTR is fiction, just like Shakespeare. So the question is, do you find it “really sad” if someone is moved by such fiction?

It’s all fake, from the grandest tale that moves you to tears to the most overblown action drama which moves you to have a bowel movement.

By saying that it’s “really sad if a fake movie can touch people so much” you are essentially condemning any movie, save documentaries, that actually reach the emotions of the audience.