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Originally posted by sakman:
I received a review copy of the Girrard disc without a booklet so it is hard to tell if the music on that CD was written for the movie. My suspicion is that it is unused or rejected music. It is a very ambient disc in a kind of Medieval/New Age style.

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Originally posted by Dylan:
I still think Elmer Bernstein should've scored this.

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Well, er, I doubt that Bernstein would have agreed to score this film if asked (which he wasn't), all things considered...though he would have certainly have done an excellent job of it.

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Originally posted by Beatty:
MG has been whoring the controversy so much that I have been completely put off. Apparently his whacko religion doesn't include any commandments to not be a jackass in public. And I was hoping to enjoy some nice Latin.

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Not sure how "whacko" his religion is, but the interview with Diane Sawyer was certainly cause for concern that Gibson himself may have gone off the deep end. Medication would be helpful, I think. I won't see his film (I share your sentiments about his controversy-milking marketing efforts) until maybe if it shows up on AMC, and then only when I'm sure there's no ratings sweep on.

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Originally posted by Beatty:
MG has been whoring the controversy so much that I have been completely put off. Apparently his whacko religion doesn't include any commandments to not be a jackass in public. And I was hoping to enjoy some nice Latin.

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Wow -- ironic that someone calls Catholic traditionalist a "whacko religion", but you can't release a film with a madman like Caiaphas acting out-of-his-head without ruffling a Foxman's feathers.

- The music in THE PASSION trailer is Debney's.

- Lisa Gerard was writing music for the film at the same time as John.

More to come at Cinemusic.net in an exclusive in-person interview with John Debney!

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Originally posted by Dana Wilcox:
Not sure how "whacko" his religion is, but the interview with Diane Sawyer was certainly cause for concern that Gibson himself may have gone off the deep end. Medication would be helpful, I think.

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Say what you will about a film you haven't seen, and every sensible person will give your opinion the attention it deserves. But to start mouthing off personal attacks like that is just nasty.

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Originally posted by jonathan_little:
I'd appreciate it if we could refrain from calling Catholicism a "whacko religion." I'm Catholic and while I don't agree with some (many?) of the positions of the Church, I think it's a good thing overall to have a bit of religion in me.

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Just judging from the trailer... it doesn't look like Mel's film is a miscast, sepia-toned, overlong, overbudget, heartless western about to crash a studio. But maybe you know something about the film we don't. [/B]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're right, Franz, I shouldn't have made that comparison. My apologies to Michael Cimino.

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Originally posted by Dana Wilcox:

As far as personal attacks, may I ask, did you see the interview? If not, then it is you who are drawing conclusions about something you haven't seen! The comments about Mel Gibson were not "nasty", as they are based upon an hour-long observation of behavior. If you saw it, and he seemed "normal" to you, then I suppose we shall just have to agree to disagree. Otherwise, perhaps it would be wise for you to refrain from comment.

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I saw the interview, and given the circumstances his film was made under, I'd hardly expect anyone to seem 'normal'. In fact, even the fact that he was making the film might say something about how unique/abnormal an individual he is. I'm sorry I read your remarks as personal, but I should probably explain why I did. Your remark was not that his behavior was 'abnormal' (which I wouldn't have taken umbrage at), but that he "may have gone off the deep end" and that "medication would be helpful". And these are your remarks "based upon an hour-long observation of behavior". They seemed to me to go from impassive observation to hyperbole, and since the subject of your remarks was not the film of Mel Gibson but his person, they seemed to be nothing if not personal. But you've corrected my wrong impression, so my apologies if I upset you.

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I made an observation of, and then about, a person, no question. In any event, no problem, I never take disagreement with my POV personally (unless it's done in an ugly way), and try my best to address others' arguments on their merits. Since you did see the interview, I respect your point of view.

The problem I have seen with many of the reactions here and elsewhere to anything even faintly negative said about Mel or his movie is the tendency to view such remarks as an attack upon Christianity, as if Mel Gibson were somehow a Prophet, and his movie a God-endorsed and infallible representation of the Scriptures. The fact is, Gibson is a *movie star* who made a *movie* which (by his own admission) represents *his* interpretation of events described in the Gospels. After watching the interview, wherein (IMHO, of course) Gibson behaved in a very bizarre and unbalanced fashion, I was left with a very unwholesome feeling about both the man and his film. Hence my remarks, and I was only halfway kidding about the medication. Are there circumstances under which I would be inclined to endure the more than two hours of intentional gore and violence contained in this "entertainment"? Yes, if I were given the impression, from hearing the man who made it, that there were some spiritual insight or message that would lift me up for having done so. I did not get such an impression from listening to Mel Gibson; quite the opposite in fact. His "vision" is off kilter in my view, and thus his message is untrustworthy. To sit through it would be a pointless and masochistic exercise for me.

I'm not a Christian, and I really should have read more than I have on the subject, but it is indeed a tragic story that will possess heavy emotions.

Debney's score is very, very powerful. The first 30 seconds or so of "Resurrection" portray an infinitely light sky opening up and Christ "doin his thang", or whatever, but it's the absolute perfect ambience, totally supernatural-like and very moving, indeed. There are several choral pieces within the score that also blow me away.

I still think that Caviezel's character in Malick's The Thin Red Line -- Pvt Witt -- is the best representation of Christ/Buddha/Love I've ever seen, or at least the most humbling and convincing. I have NO QUESTION this was the reason for his casting as the role of Jesus, here. He is also Catholic, which is interesting. Anyway, I watched a few clips, and he really does seem to transform into the character of Jesus, and I was impressed; and I'm not even talking the heavy-handed, dramatic scenes, but rather the simple personality of the character of Jesus. It was, I guess, sort of how I pictured him.

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Originally posted by Hasta:
I would also like to say The Thin Red Line is the most religious film I've ever seen, and I somehow doubt Christ will give me such an experience.

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I'm curious. Have you seen Scorcese's The Last Temptation of Christ? Based on your post, it seems to me like that's the movie you want The Passion to be. It's not so much about religion as it is about the Man himself, and it's definitely the most insightful and interesting of all films about Christ that I've seen. You might want to check it out if you haven't already.

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Originally posted by rkeaveney:

More to come at Cinemusic.net in an exclusive in-person interview with John Debney!

Ryan

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I don't know about exclusive - the next issue of Music from the Movies will also feature an interview with John Debney on The Passion of the Christ...

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Originally posted by moviescore:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by rkeaveney:
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More to come at Cinemusic.net in an exclusive in-person interview with John Debney!

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I don't know about exclusive - the next issue of Music from the Movies will also feature an interview with John Debney on The Passion of the Christ...

:-)

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Well I'm talking about our interview not being 1 of 100 telephone interviews. Besides, our interview will be exclusive long before MFtM trickles into bookstores outside of London!

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Originally posted by rkeaveney:

Well I'm talking about our interview not being 1 of 100 telephone interviews. Besides, our interview will be exclusive long before MFtM trickles into bookstores outside of London!

Ryan

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Well, Music from the Movies is available on the internet as well and we have just published our interview with John Debney at http://www.musicfromthemovies.com/feature.asp?ID=10

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Originally posted by PeterK:
I have an interesting post about the music.... but I don't think anyone in this thread is interested. Can't win 'em all... or even half. Fun to watch FBs talk about religion, though.

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Yes, this thread did have something to with music about 70 posts ago.... I'm interested in whatever you've got on the music.

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Originally posted by PeterK:
Fun to watch FBs talk about religion, though.

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FBs talking about religion in no way compares to Ryan and Mikael talking about exclusives.

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Well I'm talking about our interview not being 1 of 100 telephone interviews. Besides, our interview will be exclusive long before MFtM trickles into bookstores outside of London!

Ryan<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, Music from the Movies is available on the internet as well and we have just published our interview with John Debney at http://www.musicfromthemovies.com/feature.asp?ID=10

mikael

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Hey, nothing like a little goosing to get something online in a hurry!

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Originally posted by rkeaveney:
Hey, nothing like a little goosing to get something online in a hurry!

Ryan

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I did it for you, Ryan - you didn't seem happy with the way MftM "trickles into bookstores outside London"...

No honestly, we thought about publishing this piece online weeks before your "exclusive" interview was announced here. If the timing is right, we like to do this. We did it before with Paul Haslinger and 'Underworld' and will continue to do it when the timing is right.

All the best,

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Originally posted by Dinko:

Religions are evil. [b]All religions, and equally so. Thus says I. Now, have fun sending me to whichever hell you believe in, I won't go there because I don't believe in it even though I will try to respect your views and beliefs that one hell is worse than another one. [/B]

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Originally posted by Justin:
Can't wait for the movie though

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Me neither, but I am probably gonna wait a while to see it just because everytime I see a new movie, some stranger walks up and starts complaining to me about it (actually it only happened once and it was for Return of the King, but once is enough!) I also can't wait to hear the music in the movie.

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Originally posted by franz_conrad:
But twin - surely you believe in that ultimate hell: where Shawn Murphy mixes all scores which are recorded by Prague's High School band, and all scores are lightweight comedies written by anonymous composers with just enough talent to make Silva sound really bad?

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